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Schools’ Tracking Devices Causes Controversy
CBS Houston ^ | 11/25/12

Posted on 11/26/2012 8:20:53 AM PST by pgkdan

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — A San Antonio school district’s website was hacked over the weekend to protest its policy requiring students to wear microchip-embedded cards tracking their every move on campus.

A teenager purportedly working with the hacker group Anonymous said in an online statement that he took the site down because the Northside school district “is stripping away the privacy of students in your school.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
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Land of the free...what a quaint idea.
1 posted on 11/26/2012 8:20:59 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan

Calm down people. You’ve voted to give up your liberty, it’s a simple transition really. It won’t take long, and most of the public is too stupid to miss it.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 8:23:50 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: pgkdan

Hey all you Freepers who keep crowing about how Texas is the Land of Milk and Honey and how we few remaining “sane” Californians need to get in our cars with all of our worldly possessions in the trailer behind and move to Texas so we can be “free.” Texas is just a few steps behind other states on the road to Marxism. If this had happened even ten years ago, the Texans I knew would have had the school board and the administration strung up in the public square. This is absolutely outrageous! What’s next, eliminating the cards and just putting the microchips under this skin like the family pet? This whole RFID thing should be brought to a screeching halt, at least insofar as human beings are concerned.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 8:31:04 AM PST by vette6387
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To: pgkdan

After the little 12 year old was taken in Baltimore on Wednesday, it might not be a bad idea. Can you imagine being a parent against this and then your child disappears? I think they would still say “yes my child has vanished but I still have freedom.”


4 posted on 11/26/2012 8:31:34 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: pgkdan

When I was in school if they tried something like this it would never have happened. We would have burned the ID badges in the student common area.

Think about it, what are they going to if you don’t wear the badge, expell you?! Like that is a big punishment, more time at the beach.

The kids today are such sheeple.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 8:34:24 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: napscoordinator
After the little 12 year old was taken in Baltimore on Wednesday, it might not be a bad idea.

It is a bad idea. You are reaching for a solution to a completely different problem.

6 posted on 11/26/2012 8:36:18 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: napscoordinator

These RFID signals “supposedly” only work within a certain distance from the school, so at best it would tell them that you are not at school - it won’t help them locate you.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 8:41:28 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: pgkdan

The fight against “soft” tracking measures will be a big one over the next 20 years. It would be smart if we got ahead of it now.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 8:45:40 AM PST by Noamie
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To: napscoordinator

“After the little 12 year old was taken in Baltimore on Wednesday, it might not be a bad idea.”

Think harder.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 8:47:41 AM PST by Noamie
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To: pgkdan

RFID is lazy man’s attendance. Don’t have to take attendance and it is difficult to fake the attendance. Not sure it provides any other benefit. Besides, what is really telling the school is the location of the ID. Child could just as easily give the ID to a friend and the school would be none the wiser.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 8:49:34 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

This is just the first step toward requiring kids to be chipped to attend school. Don’t have the chip -> no school for you.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:54 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: taxcontrol

That is until they force them to implant the chip under their skin.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 8:57:19 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: ExTxMarine

It would certainly help in a hostage situation within the school.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 8:57:45 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: JCBreckenridge
This is just the first step toward requiring kids to be chipped to attend school. Don’t have the chip -> no school for you

And then the next logical step is to implant the chip. No chip? No food, no job, no 'rights'. Sounds like a bad idea. Bad as in evil.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“The kids today are such sheeple.”

The kids? How about the parents! At least one girl in one of the schools affected filed a lawsuit on religious grounds and received injunctive relief. I just e-mailed another Freeper who is from Texas and she told me that the schools in Texas have been a “socialist experiment” since the 1980’s when she lived there and spoke out against them publicly. Just how can Texas be the panacea that it’s being sold to the rest of the country as, if it’s schools are the same load of crap that they are in the rest of the country? At least I understand that the teachers there can no longer hit your child without your permission, but that corporal punishment is still the law there. How enlightened!


15 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:50 AM PST by vette6387
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To: JCBreckenridge
This is just the first step toward requiring kids to be chipped to attend school. Don’t have the chip -> no school for you

And then the next logical step is to implant the chip. No chip? No food, no job, no 'rights'. Sounds like a bad idea. Bad as in evil.

16 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:50 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: pgkdan

Often friends and I in HS went wandering in places we shouldn’t have been. The principal would sometimes catch us. He would reprimand us as a group and then point to me and say ‘you. you go to school here?’

Now his rfid reader could eliminate that question.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 9:07:06 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: taxcontrol
RFID is lazy man’s attendance. Don’t have to take attendance and it is difficult to fake the attendance. Not sure it provides any other benefit. Besides, what is really telling the school is the location of the ID. Child could just as easily give the ID to a friend and the school would be none the wiser.

Come on people. Educators have been stealthily brain washing our kids for generations. American history books are full of references to Harriet Tubman, MLK and the Civil rights movement but barely mention George Washington or any of the Founders in anything more than an insultingly cursory manner. 40 years of this b.s. and we get the 'Lamest Generation' re-electing barack obama.

This use of RFID is just a way of sofenting us up to accept even more intrusive measure later on.

18 posted on 11/26/2012 9:12:03 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: vette6387
At least I understand that the teachers there can no longer hit your child without your permission, but that corporal punishment is still the law there. How enlightened!

Texas still has corporal punishment? Good for Texas!

19 posted on 11/26/2012 9:13:09 AM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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To: vette6387

I hate to break this to you, but it is much worse than you think.

This isn’t about privacy, or control, or education for that matter. It’s about what makes school systems tick these days - money.

The school gets paid by the number of students in first period. After they collect their money, they couldn’t care less where the kid is the rest of the day. In fact, I doubt they even care if the kid is there at all - just somebody bring his dam badge to class so we can get even more money.

The school system, at every level, is hopelessly broken. Until we turn it into a ‘for profit’ institution run be business professionals, this crap will keep happening.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 9:19:38 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: JCBreckenridge
Don’t have the chip -> no school for you.

I'd like a survey done to see how many students would object to that. They'd have to tie chip usage into sports in order to make the teenagers care.

21 posted on 11/26/2012 9:22:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: pgkdan

One more reason our last two will never again see the insides of a public school. They have been in a Christian based private for the last years and if that was to not work out for whatever reason homeschooling would be the end result, even if I had to take the private school funds and hire a part-time tutor to help us.

I had three kids go through a small country school (2A) here in Texas up until 2008 (K-12) and after we moved away from the area, for career reasons, I have kept in touch with some folks and read the local paper and I wouldn’t even let my last two attend that school that we were a part of for so long. It has turned into a reflection of the people who have moved their kids there after being “asked” to leave the adjoining larger school districts and the newer teachers hired to replace the older retiring ones. It is a shame.

Same thing happening at the state and national level in our culture, why do people leave a place they were unhappy with only to try and make the new place like where they just left? STAY THERE!


22 posted on 11/26/2012 9:27:14 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Tax-chick

This discussion would occur when they are 5, upon entry into the school system. They would be chipped *under the skin*, and the kids would likely never know the truth. Until they were old enough to find out for themselves.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 9:27:22 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Tax-chick

I read a story this weekend about the kids paying for meals with palm scanning technology. Easy to see where all this is leading. Unbelievable.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 9:38:06 AM PST by Sheapdog
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To: JCBreckenridge

Oh, that’s different.

I wonder if that would cause any substantial percentage of parents to choose private education. Nothing has so far.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 9:43:51 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick

The idea is to get people accustomed to the benefit (free education), and then to attach all these riders. I expect to see more trial balloons like this in the name of ‘safety’ and ‘security’.

Full disclosure - I am a private school teacher.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 9:59:48 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: pgkdan

Then they could implant just the legal resident kids, and the illegals wouldn’t be allowed in the schools.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 10:00:43 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: JCBreckenridge
The idea is to get people accustomed to the benefit (free education),

That has certainly happened.

I expect to see more trial balloons like this in the name of ‘safety’ and ‘security’.

I agree.

28 posted on 11/26/2012 10:01:26 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: ExTxMarine
These RFID signals “supposedly” only work within a certain distance from the school, so at best it would tell them that you are not at school - it won’t help them locate you.

An RFID chip is basically a transponder that receives an RF signal on one frequency, converts it to dc and charges a capacitor. The capacitor is the power supply for a low power transmitter on a second frequency which responds to the inquiry pulse with a return pulse consisting of a serial number when the capacitor becomes fully charged.

This should tell you several things. Location is determined by having "readers" at fixed points, as students pass close to a reader their response codes are received and recorded. If you try to "increase range" by using a more powerful inquiry pulse you will trigger all chips at the same time and since all chips respond on the same frequency you generate a lot of noise and no information as to location.

The system can be defeated by wrapping the chip in aluminum foil when passing through a reader. If you exposed the chip to a high power pulse you may overload the capacitor power supply and render the chip silent with no visible change. A group of students with different schedules could swap cards randomly to generate bogus data. A card based system usually has a square loop of foil visible which serves as the "antenna", use a razor blade to sever the loop and the card is dead. A talented teen (forger of fake IDs) could make a facsimile of the ID w/out the chip for his friends. There are many ways for a "Good Soldier Schweik" to gum up the smooth working gears of a proto-socialistic state.

Notice that the RFID chip responds with a number stored in read only memory, not GPS coordinates. Such devices exist but are much larger than the "grain of rice" sized RFID chip, about the size of a wrist watch and they require batteries for power because they "talk back" using cell phone technology. These GPS based systems are what you want/need in cases of child snatching.

Regards,
GtG

29 posted on 11/26/2012 10:07:26 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: brownsfan

“Saving Private Ryan”

German soldier stabs Private Mellish to death in the knife fight in the building next to the bridge fight scene. As he does, he says:

“Give up, you don’t stand a chance! Let’s end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You’ll see it will be over quickly.”


30 posted on 11/26/2012 10:08:07 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: pgkdan

Obviously the Northside ISD has way too much money and too many employees. Time to prune the tree.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 10:49:56 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: I cannot think of a name

“It’s about what makes school systems tick these days - money.”

Very true, but the Constitutional Rights of the students get trampled in the process. I guess you can look at virtually every problem we face today in the world, and the solution is being hampered by someone or some group’s making a buck!


32 posted on 11/26/2012 4:51:07 PM PST by vette6387
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To: napscoordinator

Well, Hells Bells, why even have schools? Women should be forced into birthing camps, give birth, then their kids stored in prison like camps for school until 18, all safe and sound to be sodomized by the teachers, but at least we’ll know where they are.


33 posted on 11/26/2012 5:00:22 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: vette6387

The problem is that if you pull your kids out of the school you get a whole bunch of grief from the school. They don’t take kindly to the dollars they receive from your kid not being there.

Glad I don’t have kids in school today.


34 posted on 11/26/2012 7:31:17 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“Glad I don’t have kids in school today.”

Me too, but I do fear for my grandchildren. The whole education system is at the bottom of our country’s problems. The rotten professors have begotten rotten teachers who, in turn, have infected our most precious asset. Made them dependent rather than independent, and left out the most important pieces of becoming educated. A republic cannot survive long when it’s voters are stupid, and I am afraid we’re there.


35 posted on 11/26/2012 8:28:59 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

GtG:

Here in California, our toll bridges and some “not free anymore” freeways utilize this technology. Unfortunately, now that it’s implemented, they want to use it to “track your movements” ( of course it’s in the name of using the data to “improve” traffic flow and build infrastructure). We don’t know outside of the places where they are required to exact tolls, where they are being read, but at least they are now including an anti-stat bag which they claim keeps them from reading the thing without your knowledge. What is really interesting is when the transponders crap out, they don’t notify you, they just process their camera data and make sure that your license place is on the list.


36 posted on 11/26/2012 8:36:04 PM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Sadly I think you are correct. I interact with some kids here in the community and it is sad how little they know of government and how it is supposed to work. They obviously are not taught civics.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 8:40:37 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

It is insanely easy to monkey wrench this, and it should be done in parallel to the legal challenges.


38 posted on 11/27/2012 12:10:49 AM PST by Starwolf
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