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Skills Donít Pay the Bills
The New York Times ^ | 11/20/2012 | Adam Davidson

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:40 AM PST by ksen

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Interesting article describing about how part of our manufacturing woes isn't necessarily education related, as seen in the article by the high number of students taking classes training to operate highly technical manufacturing computers. It's that manufacturing companies still want to pay $10/hr for, now, highly skilled labor.
1 posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:43 AM PST by ksen
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Hard to pay those higher wages when other countries pay 1/4 that much, if that much, to workers and sell their cheap crap here. An unrestricted global market if all start at the same place, too bad we started light years ahead in living standards and technology and have to go backwards to let everyone catch up.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 9:44:14 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Oops, meant to type “global market works if”


3 posted on 11/26/2012 9:45:07 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: ksen

Read the last sentence in the article. He’s saying the problem is education. The remedy will be that we need more “education”. It’s the New York Times....they can’t help themselves.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:20 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Resolute Conservative

Stupid reality messes lots of things up.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 9:49:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ksen

Manufacturers don’t want to pay for labor - skilled or unskilled. I have thirty years of experience in industrial maintenance and have had offers of $15/hr. Luckily I have a job and am making okay money. Don’t think it will last long, though. The only people making any real money these days are govt. workers and money changers.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 9:49:36 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Isn’t education essentially the same as OJT or shop classes?


7 posted on 11/26/2012 9:50:41 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ksen

They NY Times talking about supply and demand? What has the world come to?

There is a shortage of long-haul truck drivers for this same reason. Trucking companies think people should be eager to jump at a job at any wage. Potential drivers don’t think the pay being offered is worth the downside (long time away from home/family), so they look elsewhere.

Eventually the free market will work it out.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 9:53:17 AM PST by Brookhaven (theconservativehand.com - alt2p.com)
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‘Part of Isbister’s pickiness, he says, comes from an avoidance of workers with experience in a “union-type job.” ‘


Unless the job applicant’s last job was in a right-to-work state, he probably didn’t have much choice as to whether or not he was in a union. Turning the applicant down for that reason alone, if he has a good skill-set, work record etc. may be ill-advised.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 9:53:17 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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Read the last sentence in the article. He’s saying the problem is education. The remedy will be that we need more “education”. It’s the New York Times....they can’t help themselves.

Not really. What they are really admitting is that all the money that they keep throwing at education is a dismal failure:

"The problem, he finds, is that far too few graduate high school with the basic math and science skills that his company needs to compete."

We didn't have this problem years ago before all the socialist programs in education.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 9:54:56 AM PST by PuzzledInTX (Everything will be OK in the end. If it is not OK, then it isn't the end.)
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Nobody wants to hire "permanent" employees now for any reason, especially companies not located in right-to-work states. They try, like the company in the article, to get by with low-priced, younger workers for the short term, then complain about the inadequacy of those workers.

The answer (other than changing Presidents) is to change the laws to favorably treat the hiring of independent contractors. But the unions go ballistic every time that subject comes up.

11 posted on 11/26/2012 9:55:51 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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We pay our Ind. Maint. Techs $21.80/hr to start, and cap at $25. Still can’t find anyone worthwhile, willing to work OT on top of that.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 9:57:38 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: Resolute Conservative

I realized that this was exactly what would happen when we
did NAFTA. It was meant to bring all living standards to
the same level around the world. The world only needs a
few brain surgeons but lots of lesser skilled workers.
Why should a guy with the same skills here live better
than the same guy in India? That’s the way the globalists
see things and they have been in control for a while.

Things are all going according to the plan.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 9:58:50 AM PST by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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I suspect he means someone who wants to negotiate. There was an article in my home town paper a while ago complaining that Union Pacific couldn't find "good workers" because of the oil boom in North Dakota. Seems they wanted to pay minimum wage for welders and diesel techs, who were able to make six figures in N. Dakota.

UP also blamed education.
14 posted on 11/26/2012 10:00:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"independent contractors" = no benefits and even less job security. Might be good for the employer, but awful for the employee.
15 posted on 11/26/2012 10:00:43 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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Perhaps the burden of Government is now so great that machine shops cannot make a profit without offering very low wages.

If there’s no Worker-Employer match it’s not the business’s fault. Businesses employ people in order to make a profit, and they must compete with other businesses.

Either there’s no one suitable to hire or the cost-of-employment in the state is simply too high for a Worker-Employer match.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 10:01:05 AM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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Depends on who you talk to. Many people see a difference between training and education. The point is that the writer writes about the lack of skilled workers in manufacturing jobs and then closes the article by saying that the real problem is a lack of education. I can guarantee you he’s talking about going to college. The Democrats are scared that fewer people will go to college.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 10:04:26 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Companies used to train and manage. Now they don’t train and they don’t know how to manage. Frankly, very few managers even have skills anymore. “Manager” is now a career field and not a job position. “What do you do?” “I am a manager. I have a degree in management.”, not, “I am a facilities engineer and manage a facility staff of 15 for a heavy equipment company.”


18 posted on 11/26/2012 10:08:25 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

“We pay our Ind. Maint. Techs $21.80/hr to start, and cap at $25. Still can’t find anyone worthwhile, willing to work OT on top of that.”

My brother does that kind of work and the rates you mention sound very competitive for the southeast US. Not sure how that would compare nationally.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 10:08:53 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Did you mean to say:

The Democrats are scared that fewer people will go to be indoctrinated in college.

20 posted on 11/26/2012 10:09:10 AM PST by null and void (The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.)
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