Skip to comments.Why arenít Asians Republicans?
Posted on 11/26/2012 9:51:06 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota
Last week, I pointed out that there is no such thing as a natural social-conservative skew among Latino Americans. But that leaves open a rejoinder, expressed by several readers: The GOP doesnt need to get all of the Latino vote, just its fair share. Thats true, and I should have made my point clearer. In the wake of the election, some social conservatives have tried a new version of the old Silent Majority argument, contending that Republicans can continue to make their candidates pass litmus tests on abortion and gay marriage and still win national elections if only it taps the natural social conservatism of Latinos. Exposing that illusion was the point of the numbers I presented.
This time I will explicitly offer a broader argument and then give the numbers. My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism. Large numbers of Independents and Democrats who are naturally attracted to arguments of fiscal discipline, less government interference in daily life, greater personal responsibility, and free enterprise refuse to vote for Republicans because they are so put off by the positions and rhetoric of social conservatives, whom they take to represent the spirit of the real GOP.
I use Asian-Americans as an example of how powerfully this antipathy can alienate a naturally conservative voting bloc. Let it be clear: The causal link with social conservatism is asserted here, not proved. But the GOP had better take the hypothesis seriously.
Lets start with data from the Current Population Survey from 2003 on some key socioeconomic indicators for adults ages 3049. (The CPS first started identifying Asians separately from other ethnic groups in 2003).
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Then we are doomed as a nation. I know of no historical precedent for a country whose greatness did not reflect the moral fiber of its citizens.
Going into the 2004 presidential election, two major issues posed potential threats to President Bush's prospects for re-election: the economy and the Iraq war.
CBS News Exit poll results suggest that these issues were not the clear-cut silver bullet the Kerry campaign had hoped they would be. Instead, their effectiveness has been countered to a large degree by two issues emphasized by the Bush campaign: terrorism and moral values. [CBS News National Exit Poll results are based on interviews with 13,531 voters. The sampling error is plus or minus 1 point.]
Nazi Germany -- except substitue greatness with infamous and moral fiber with moral turpitude.
There are countless other examples throughout history.
Of course, how do you measure greatness? What's the metric? GDP? Ability to influence the world? How long the nation has survived?
I have one idea. How well do you transition from one generation to the next.
This is a good question. I live near a HUGE Asian concentration in the San Gabriel Valley. I’ve noticed that they are hard working, they are homeowners, they are business owners, the are professionals, they are upscale, they are suburban, they believe in higher education, ....I ‘ve also noted a far higher rate of regular church attendance than the general population as well as a stronger family unit than the general population. Bottom line: They work hard, pay taxes, have strong family values and are very religious. Why this group is favoring the Dems is BEYOND my powers of understanding. Because Asians do so well in academics and education in general, they over-represented in many of the state’s universities and therefore subject to reverse discrimination and adverserly impacted by racial quotas. The only thing I can figure is that they perceive the GOP to be too tough on immigration and not inclusive enough. Other than that it makes no sense. The Asians I see are not into the free stuff bs. They LIKE to work and make money and own businesses and go to church.
Perhaps. It's pretty clear that the upcoming generations are far more libertine on social issues. Gay marriage is not the winning issue it once was, DADT will never go back in force, abortion may well decrease as morning-week after type pills become common place. Like it or not, the GOP is likely to focus far more on fiscal issues than social ones. Republicans will fight these social battles only when the left pushes way too far an offends a polling majority. Traditional conservative primary voters are going to remember the disasters Akin and Mourdock turned out to be and think twice before supporting the less polished statewide candidates going forward.
Nazi Germany lasted twelve years. The blink of an eye by historical standards.
> Why arent Asians Republicans?
Are you kidding? Every Asian that I know is a Republican.
My Vietnamese sister-in-law even says that the Democrats act too much like communists for her likes (some years ago, she spent a half year in a communist reeducation camp).
I am not sure what we mean when talk about Asians. The traditional Asians, seem to be more GOP. Remember, the first Asian to run for President was Hiram Fong.
I believe, right or wrong, Asians have a problem with the foreign policy position in the GOP. There is this female engineer with whom I worked had thought highly of Ron Paul.
Perhaps you should just accept the fact that, as you say, it is BEYOND your powers of understanding...either that or what you believe about democrats and republicans, is not completely factual.
!!! Free Stuff !!!
All elites have to be vomited out of our leadership.
Leftist and faux-conservatives.
There is no other issue besides THE moral issue.
Elites - the issue is morality - are you for it or against it ?
The pollsters and consultants, hanging on to their pathetic jobs, flood the conversation with theories on demographics and polling.
What a great political strategy - they must be geniuses !
“Give the people what they want”.
“My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism. “
- the stupidest thing I have heard so far this morning.
Think before you speak, guy who wrote this. What are you saying ? Moron.
The GOP has always been associated with morals, or what you call “social conservatism”.
Unless hearts and minds of the electorate are changed for the better, faux conservatism is going to be a shrinking minority. Is that what you want ? Faux conservatism can’t claim to be the “party of immorality” because the Democratic Party already owns that territory.
Pollsters have no clue when it comes to marketing and sales in a competitive environment.
I guess that Asians probably represent the least likely to vote minority.
Yep, we are therefore Doomed!
This new litmus test, has hijacked the Tea Party, which found a broader based appeal that brought so many folks that were far more fiscally Conservative than socially dogmatic..
I am a Social Conservative as well as Fiscally, but I cannot bring myself to cut off my nose to spite my face.. I cannot dislike, or disqualify my Fiscal Brethren that do not share all of my personal values..
Where have I gone so wrong?
They might assume federal-controlled healthcare is a good idea not thinking that it's more power for big government and less for the individual. I don't know....why don't we ask a number of Asian-Americans why they support a socialist like Obama. It would be interesting to hear them, especially the business people, justify voting for someone who would like to bankrupt them.
Because the Magna Carta and the later US Constitution weren’t based on ancient mandarin texts. They were based on western judeo-christian e.g. western philosophies and values. In asia, being a good worker ant is valued.
There is a non-zero possibility that the majority of Asians are racialists who see white dominance as an affront to their pride, and are using the Democratic party as a tool to undermine that dominance, per the following comment:
Religion is the only thing that keeps people from acting as racialists.
The GOP is fighting a losing battle and need to acknowledge it in their hearts. The best route to go is Milton Freidman in public and Guillaume Faye in cloak and dagger.True Conservatives would reject America and plan for what happens afterwards.
It seems to me that people who have knowledge and/or experience with communism also have an appreciation for conservative political principles.
Since "asians" of any kind are such a small part of the population it would have been quite easy for a skewing to have taken place simply because of the choice of the polling places (I gather there were only 20 or so).
So, take one polling place in Honolulu in Senator Inoue's neighborhood ~ that'd give you 100% "asian" responses.
Or, there's a town in New Jersey which will yield up mostly Pakistani immigrants ~ 100% for Obama.
This particular poll result repesents only exit polling that was looking to find out early who was winning ~ not particularly who was voting for who.
So we measure greatness by time now? There are many countries far older than the U.S that I wouldn’t consider great by any standard.
EVERYTHING I believed about politics since the election has proven to be beyond my powers of understanding. Silly me. I used think it was all about the economy, stupid.
1. Pro life
3.Pro Traditional Marriage
Since the conservative position on these matters has constituted what western civilisation has defined as 'Moral' for millenia I would like to know why anyone who holds these positions is suddenly a radical?
I keep hearing pundits and politcal consultants talk about how we on the right keep moving more and more to the fringe. Where's the movement? I haven't changed my position on any of the above issues in my life. I've always been pro life, pro family and have always believed that marriage was the civilizing and moral foundation of our society. Always! If you would have suggested to a man 100 years ago...say in 1912...that his great grandchildren would be ridiculed for being against abortion and against homosexual marriage he would have looked at you as if you had 2 heads! But those of us who hold those time honored and NATURAL ideas are now radical right wing extremists!
What a world!
When I lived in San Francisco, I knew Asians who wouldn't drive to Sacramento - they were sure they would be ambushed and murdered on the way by the KKK. Do the Democrats play up these ludicrous stereotypes for political advantage? Of course, and why not? They know Republicans will let them go unanswered.
If the Republicans were an actual small government party, they could do much better, but until some of the base realizes the best way to advance social conservatism is to allow people the freedom to practice social conservative beliefs and to limit Big Government's spending and legislation in the service of social liberalism, not to take over the tools of Big Government and use them against people they don't like, the party is going to keep shrinking.
It was your shoes man ~ you must have kept telling them “You believe that I ought to put a boot in your butt” ~ they want them by the door, not there!
another problem is the “old pharts” who are in charge of the local republican clubs. I remebmer going to a meeting and seeing a group of politically incompetent retireees in charge of one club. Those buffoons could not win a one horse race.
Start out by recognizing the multi-generational quest of any people, to preserve their core values; to build on those core values. Emphasize on the social issues, that under our Constitutional formulation, those are issues to be addressed--save only for sound money & the free market--by the people acting as sovereign states; pointing out that the Constitution confers no functions on the Federal Government that go to how people actually regulate themselves in their individual communities; that all such questions are left to States, guaranteed a republican form of Government, but certainly not a Federally controlled, or an egalitarian (Jacobin or Socialist) society.
That's a good question.
Funny, but I never thought of Asians as moochers and slobs. But I guess the numbers don't lie.
Centralized power is the norm throughout the world. Its hard for people to conceive of any other model.
Thats why people who look like natural conservatives vote for centralized power. They are naturally conservative in the common meaning of the word and won’t risk limiting the power of the center.
We have to understand that what we call conservative isn’t. We are revolutionary, and even though the revolution has been around a while it has never really won. Because so many of us are social conservatives, we confuse revolutionary classic liberalism as being politically conservative when in reality it is not. There is nothing conservative about liberty in a world that does not value liberty.
Our blend of classic liberalism rooted in biblical values is unprecedented and exists no where else in the world. In the war between John Locke and Rousseau, Rousseau won everywhere but here and in fact he mostly won here too. John Locke hangs on with a stubborn few in this country alone.
I'm not understanding? We are losing because we aren't fighting for social conservative values? So what, do the social conservatives just get P.O'ed and go vote social liberal to spite themselves? Politics is a spectrum, not a pidgeon hole. You win by appealing to the greatest number of voters. Politics is not quantum either. You just can't jump from one side to the other without first transitioning the middle. Conservatives are losing because they keep pushing people to the other side. We should try pulling them from the other side.
Nazi Germany was never “great”. They were vile and amoral as the day is long. Murdering your way to the top simply doesn’t count as “greatness” by any rational measure. Now the german people themselves have a great historical legacy, but that aberation called Nazi Germany was just a brutish coup by criminals during a perfect storm, defiling and squandering what took centuries to build.
“The quality of a village is measured by the poorest, not the richest members’ is one description of one ethos.
I detect a pretty strong “social conservatism” in both Asian and Hispanic immigrant communities.
I very seriously doubt “social conservatism” is a reason for many Asian or Hispanic voters to reject the R party candidates.
Indeed, it could well be that the R party candidates would get more Asian and Hispanic votes if “social conservatism” were more noticeably a part of the R campaigns. For instance, “social conservatism” was almost completely avoided by Governor Romney... and look what happened to his candidacy.
OR maybe they just can’t get their mind around being just imposable to get Pregnant during a RAPE..
Or that it isn’t really an absolute imperative, for both teams openly PRAY IN PUBLIC to legitimize a High School game..
Or maybe they are just all G_DLESS heathens.. jus sayin’
But you've put you're finger on a huge part of the problem: the more time you spend in academia (either as a student or as a professor), the more liberal you become. Also--and this has come as a shock to white folks--racial identity is an amazingly powerful force in voting decisions. It's more powerful than values with most minorities. Asians see themselves as "outsiders," and Obama as one who can sympathize with them. Those judgments may be absolutely irrational, but they hold sway with a lot of voters, even those in the "cognitive elite." Racial ID and liberal indoctrination are important reasons Asians voted for Zero.
You make a good point, here. As for your personal references in the first paragraph, I certainly concur at least so far as Santorum is concerned. He clearly is not a true social conservative, nor a legal conservative, in his open disrespect for the rights of the States to disagree with his ideas on many issues. He is a disaster so far as actually convincing anyone of what he claims to believe is important. Normal people, who have not yet committed to ideological premises, are put off & alienated by fanatics, spouting platitudes on issues, rather than trying to actually convince by rational analysis.
Given the indoctrination of so much of the youth in the schools, we need to avoid those who have no clue as to how to persuade, but offer only a dogmatism that simply proclaims to the inexperienced voter, an offensive fanaticism.
You may very well be right about that. Every group has their own unique values. And Asians cannot be neatly clumped into one vast group so neatly. Here in Southern CA we have many diffrent Asian ethnicities: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Indian, Vietnamese, Filipino, Cambodian, etc..-—all have diffrent values, traditions, and religious affiliations.
One thing in general has changed: In years past, a person’s socio-economic-status-—SES-— as well as family influence basically determined one’s party affiliation. These days, regular church attendence (with the exception of blacks and hispanics-—and now Asians too) is much better indicator of party preference than SES.
Asian-Americans are extremely socially liberal. They widely favor abortion and homosexual marriage. I’m surprised that anyone is surprised they overwhelmingly vote Rat.
maybe you only know Asian-America Republicans because Asian_ Americans voted Obama 3-1. That’s not a fluke, that’s a fundamental divide between us and them.
I live in the SGV. True the Christian section of Asian American community may tend to reflect Western values, however, the vast majority are not Christian open to moral relativism. My wife observed an Asian couple (professionals) attempting to steal valuable items from a vendor’s table. She managed to confront them politely and they coughed up the items before they could get away. I do see a lot of open cash boxes in the Asian small businesses. They pay what taxes they can’t figure a way out of. These people are not puritans and a lot are very adept at milking the system. They do like freebies.
Another point.....in the universities, the Asians are NOT wasting their time on BS pseudointellectual pursuits such as Feminazi Studies, Marxism 101, Chicano Studies, Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender History and the usual crap.....No... in the universities they are studying useful things like medicine, business, economics, physics, mathematics, science, biology, and engineering-—so therefore I would think they would not be so vulnerable to the usual radical left indoctrination from left-wing professors.
Many Asians come from more collectivist cultures, so I don’t think it should be any surprise they tend to vote Democrat.
He actually presents zero evidence to back up his ‘thesis’. Only seems to suggest that it must be the case because there’s no other explanation out there.
I think he far too quickly dismisses the Jewish-Asian parallel. Both groups are very aware of being an identifiable minority that succeeds ahead of the majority population. More specifically, Chinese and Japanese have experience in this, like Jews, pretty much wherever they settle worldwide.
Both Jews and the Chinese, especially, also have very leftist politics prominent in their heritage, but I think it is the overachieving minority status that leads them to liberal politics.
While being industrious in building wealth, Asians and Jews both believe their ethnicity or race truly does have above-average intelligence, which means by definition that other populations to some degree have below-average intelligence. Thus, they believe the majority population is at an innate disadvantage in competing with them, and if they are going to keep resentment from spoiling their own opportunity, that resentment needs to be mollified, ideally with an ideology that further soothes injured group identity pride. So backing liberal politics both throws a bone to the less well equipped and it puts them themselves in a kinder, gentler spotlight.
This I think is a tough dynamic to change.
Interesting observation.....they are not concerned about tax rates.....because they do everything they can....legal or otherwise.....to avoid paying their taxes. So a pro-business, low tax advocating GOP politician would have no appeal to them no matter what. They want the free stuff and they will find ways to avoid paying the taxes for it.
Truly sad if all true.
I think it’s a conglomeration of interests. Their Asian societies they come from are extremely stratified and class based which lends well to the class warfare the left thrives on.
Also they believe they are superior to most the minority groups in the cities and realize that most of the dependent hoards are gonna need taking care of through government help.
They figure why not let the government take from everyone and spread it around to the lesser groups of people so they are satiated.
Then there is always the us versus them - color vs yty thing that’s so prevalent nowadays.
Perhaps the most logical of all explanations.
Liberalism is deeply embedded in Jewish DNA.
Always thought Asians were more on the conservative side. This is where I was wrong.
To clarify- I am answering the question, not making the case, but...
All I am saying is this: there is a basic belief of conservatism that the greatest good for the greatest number comes from the greatest economic liberty. Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig Von Mises, Friedman, all argue that a system that allows for both billionaires and people in extreme poverty yields overall better results than one in which there is much less of a variation between the richest and poorest. This is not a cultural universal. One can rant and rail about redistribution of wealth and equate that with socialism, but a lot of cultures around the world dont see that as an absolute inherent evil that is the start of an inevitable slippery slope towards totalitarianism.
To pretend otherwise is to continue scratching one’s head as to why honest, educated and hardworking people sometimes do not vote Republican. As a preacher I know said “do we really need billionairs while other people are living under a bridge with untreated mental illnesses?”
Wrong. Yes, Asians tend to, like the Hispanics, have stronger family values.
But the Asians, like the Hispanics, go for the freebies.
As one Chinese told me, who has strong family values, “If someone offers me (freebies), I’ll vote for them.”
It’s the freebies.