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Little Falls man describes 'finishing' teenagers with shots to heads
pioneer press ^ | 11-26-12 | Joseph Lindberg

Posted on 11/26/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by TurboZamboni

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Dude thinks he's Judge Dredd.

He'll be in prison for the rest of his life.

1 posted on 11/26/2012 5:01:42 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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2 posted on 11/26/2012 5:04:31 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TurboZamboni

Does Minnesota have the Death Penalty? And if so, do they use it?


3 posted on 11/26/2012 5:04:55 PM PST by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: TurboZamboni

What a psycho. He deserves whatever he gets.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 5:05:53 PM PST by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: TurboZamboni
If you are going to own a firearm, you had better know what the laws are in your jurisdiction regarding the legal use of deadly force.

I cannot imagine any set of laws allowing a “finishing shot” of a wounded helpless criminal. Deadly force should only be used as a last resort because even if you are allowed to use deadly force under criminal laws, you might face civil claims that will make your life and your family's life hell. Still using deadly force to save your own life or that of someone you care about is a civil right in this country.

5 posted on 11/26/2012 5:07:47 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: gaijin

The two teenagers broke into his home to steal something to support their drug habit.

The first shots were legit, the finishing shots were murder.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 5:10:56 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m not going to shed any tears for the victims.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 5:12:14 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: DemforBush

Slightly off topic but being an urban type myself the property of the man blew my mind.

So much land.

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8 posted on 11/26/2012 5:12:22 PM PST by Mears
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9 posted on 11/26/2012 5:13:41 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: TurboZamboni

Disgusting. That was simply an execution, especially his description of the murder of the female. Then he sat there with the bodies for a full day because he said, “didn’t want to bother the cops on a holiday”.

When our rights to self defense are lost, guys like him will be what made it easy for the dems to do it.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 5:14:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Some criminals break into YOUR Home: Do any of you wait for the criminals to pull a gun out and use it on you or do you stop them with a gun? If you don’t have a high caliber gun what other option do you have but to make sure they can’t pull a gun on you? And this guy is toast now.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 5:15:41 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: gaijin

Aaaaw, poor kids. I bet they won’t be committing home invasion and other crimes.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 5:16:06 PM PST by sagar
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To: DesertRhino

I think of it this way: this little “tragedy” was actually a cleanup where 3 criminals were taken off the streets.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 5:18:18 PM PST by sagar
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To: Robert357
"... If you are going to own a firearm, you had better know what the laws are in your jurisdiction regarding the legal use of deadly force."

Thanks for the good advice, but it's irrelevant in this case.

The man is lying. The investigators will eventually release the whole story. This man would save his community a lot of time and trouble by hanging himself in prison.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 5:18:55 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Mears

“So much land”???

Where in the story was the amount of land mentioned?

(and yes, it really has nothing to do with two burglars being murdered.)

From his actions the shooter appears to be deranged.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 5:21:02 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Do you know more about it?


16 posted on 11/26/2012 5:22:10 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Trespassers will be shot.

Survivors will be shot again.

But really, this guy is abnormal.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 5:22:17 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: TurboZamboni

Straight up, walking up to a wounded 18 year old girl and putting a round in her head, fry the worthless bastard, he ain’t human.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 5:23:49 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: BwanaNdege; Mears
Where in the story was the amount of land mentioned?

The photograph accompanying the article shows the home sitting on what appears to be at least a one acre lot. If one is from an urban area, a rural property probably looks like "a lot of land".

19 posted on 11/26/2012 5:24:19 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01

Looks like a normal small farm piece to me.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 5:26:55 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Mears

Retired government employee with the State Department. Does that answer your question???


21 posted on 11/26/2012 5:27:28 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: TurboZamboni

Bad move. He was okay with the first shots, but the “finishing them off” routine was murder. He is toast, and rightfully so.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 5:29:00 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The “finishing” shots seem to demonstrate premeditation. If the story holds up as reported so far, this fellow should be executed. He is a cold-blooded murderer.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 5:30:25 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: okie01; Mears
And that acre seems slightly less idyllic once you've hit the thirtieth mowing of the year and there's another month or two left before autumn.

And then let's talk about the leaves from a dozen BIG trees ..

24 posted on 11/26/2012 5:31:49 PM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: TurboZamboni

??? All my shots will be finishing shots until its finished.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 5:31:49 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Erik Latranyi

He saved us the cost of a trial for the two kids he killed, but now we will have to feed and clothe him.

The old Double tap doesn’t work in this case.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 5:31:57 PM PST by Venturer
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To: TurboZamboni

That is how real home invaders should be treated though


27 posted on 11/26/2012 5:32:30 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rurgan

You should read the article. He is sitting in the basement, and shoots them with a .223 as they come down the stairs.
(according to him, the boy comes down the stairs and he shoots him twice with a mini-14. Then he drags the body away. Then he says the girl comes down the stairs into the same basement where the 223 has just been fired twice, indoors. O-kkkk, i believe that)
But that could probably still be ok, even if many people could have handled it better.

But then he says the girl laughed at him. (Thats in his estimation). Thats right, the 18 year old girl punched from 10 feet with a .223, seeing her dead companion/bf with his head splattered with a 223, giggled at him. (i suppose anything is -possible-on some level)
So he gets a .22 pistol, and shoots her numerous times in the chest.
He drags her across the floor and lays her beside where he already dragged the boy he shot. He sees she is still gasping to breathe. So he puts the 22 under her chin and does a “good clean finishing shot”.

Then he waits another day before calling the cops.
Creepy ba$tard -should- be toast.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 5:33:53 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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The two teenagers broke into his home to steal something to support their drug habit.<>

Whose story was that, Byron Smith's?

29 posted on 11/26/2012 5:33:53 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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The man is lying. The investigators will eventually release the whole story. This man would save his community a lot of time and trouble by hanging himself in prison.

I tend to agree with you. Smith appears mentally unbalanced to me and those 2 kids don't appear stupid enough to break in anywhere uninvited.

30 posted on 11/26/2012 5:34:13 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: driftdiver

Murder?

Just a little euthanasia, mercy killing.

Oh, right, thats when the government comes in and does the exact same thing.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 5:34:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TurboZamboni; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; PJBankard; scottjewell; ebb tide; ...

There is almost surely more to this story. Based on this article, murder one charges are appropriate.


32 posted on 11/26/2012 5:35:56 PM PST by narses
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To: Mears

I think that picture at the twin city site is incorrect. I think the house, as you look at the picture, is on the right. maps.google.com the address and check it yourself.


33 posted on 11/26/2012 5:36:24 PM PST by sjm_888
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To: The KG9 Kid

If he invited them over for Thanksgiving or something, he is definitely deranged

senile?

He should blame Parkison’s or something. heh. I’m sure he will have back up reasons. Or his lawyer will.


34 posted on 11/26/2012 5:37:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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This guy is a true knucklehead. This sounds really suspicious to me. I believe that it would be more believable that he invited or persuaded these teens into his house in order to murder them.

He moved the bodies, hid his crime for a full day, and has a really bad cover story.

35 posted on 11/26/2012 5:37:30 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mears
"the property of the man blew my mind."

Seriously, Stay off the lawn.


36 posted on 11/26/2012 5:39:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Robert357

Looks like he shot them from ambush and then coldly murdered them.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 5:40:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

An earlier story - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2963089/posts

A quote from that article “She said that Kifer had been in treatment more than once for abuse of controlled substances, and speculated that her cousin might have been after pills. Kifer had recently returned to school and had been trying to straighten out her life, Shaeffel said, adding that Kifer had stolen Adderall pills from Shaeffel’s home.”

He shot them in his basement. How’d they get there? It was the 8th time someone had broken into his home.


38 posted on 11/26/2012 5:40:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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A few minutes later, Smith again heard footsteps above him -- and just as Brady had done, Kifer came down the stairs and was shot by Smith, sending her tumbling down the stairs.

This is the part of the story that I have a hard time with.

The house is not that big and surely the girl would have heard the shots in the basement.

Why didn't she run as fast and as far as her little feet could carry her out of the house???

Why would she go down into the basement where the shots came from???

Something about this doesn't sound right.

He may have caught them breaking into his house upstairs and then brought them downstairs and executed them. He's that crazy.

39 posted on 11/26/2012 5:40:34 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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He should called 911 and let the cops do their paperwork. Then he wouldn’t be looking at life.


40 posted on 11/26/2012 5:41:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

There is nothing wrong with what this guy did. For all the SHTF enthusiasts out there you must wrap your minds around this. Perfect training exercise. All the people sitting around decrying the decline of civilization but yet are unwillingly to pull that trigger. Again and again and again.

Whatever.


41 posted on 11/26/2012 5:42:05 PM PST by bigheadfred
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Have it your way. It’s an even bet two stupid kids thought that nobody was home on that holiday. Looking for alcohol or something i bet. His statement indicates he sat there silently in ambush as he heard the window break.

In any case, unless i hear these two kids have held that community under a reign of abject terror, i doubt he really saved the streets from these hardened criminals.


42 posted on 11/26/2012 5:42:34 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Or it may have been a drug deal gone bad. Or she might have been desperate for a fix. Or she might have thought her boyfriend did the shooting. Or she might have been so high she didn’t know what was happening.


43 posted on 11/26/2012 5:43:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Read the statement of probable clause with the transcript of the killer’s statement. He says he shot the male as he came down the basement stairs and then finished him off in and placed the body on a tarp and dragged it to his workshop and then sat down in his chair.

A few minutes later, the girl comes down the same steps and he shoots her, yada yada.

He’s lying, straight up. Say these two cousins are larking about or burglarizing and he shoots the first, does the second wait long enough for him to get a tarp and move the first body before also descending the same stairs after hearing gunshots. Or calling out for the cousin who disappeared down the stairs and didn’t come back.

No freaking way. Whatever happened, the shooter’s story is bull scat.


44 posted on 11/26/2012 5:47:01 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Uncle Chip

“He may have caught them breaking into his house upstairs and then brought them downstairs and executed them. He’s that crazy”

I think you are close to the truth, We’ll never really know.


45 posted on 11/26/2012 5:49:37 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: bigheadfred

“For all the SHTF enthusiasts”

Yeah,, that was totally SHTF. Real TEOTWAWKI stuff there. /


46 posted on 11/26/2012 5:52:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: sagar
Aren't there 2nd & 3rd steps to cleanly defending your castle?

This guy was in the ideal location to follow the rules...

47 posted on 11/26/2012 5:52:16 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: rurgan
Given what he admits to doing I seriously doubt they broke into his home.

More likely he was out hunting teenagers like that Hmong guy several years back.

We don't need his kind.

48 posted on 11/26/2012 5:54:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver; DesertRhino
He was a security officer for the State Department. Do you think that he would fearfully cower in his basement if he heard glass breaking upstairs???

I think he would have been upstairs in 5 seconds guns drawn and had them at gunpoint. No way his story holds up.

49 posted on 11/26/2012 5:55:44 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: DesertRhino

When someone breaks into your house and you shoot them dead PLEASE invite me to your execution. PRETTY PLEASE?


50 posted on 11/26/2012 5:56:16 PM PST by bigheadfred
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