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Little Falls man describes 'finishing' teenagers with shots to heads
pioneer press ^ | 11-26-12 | Joseph Lindberg

Posted on 11/26/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by TurboZamboni

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To: LibWhacker

Those pictures were before meth. I bet the after meth pictures aren’t so pretty.


101 posted on 11/26/2012 6:34:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: muawiyah

“Bet he stuck more in her than bullets”

I sure wouldn’t bet against you on that. He sure wasn’t interested in reporting his shot home invaders.


102 posted on 11/26/2012 6:34:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

That’s what I thought. I am betting they were in his house at his request or his coercion.


103 posted on 11/26/2012 6:36:20 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: muawiyah

“The agency cops kill people and provide muscle ~ they’ve all been trained extensively over the last few decades.”

Sure they have.


104 posted on 11/26/2012 6:36:34 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
The media will provide the best pictures of the perpetrators. Remember how the media lied and even photoshopped the trayvon case? Remember how it was also a gun owner defending against a youth attacker? Remember how the media blatantly lied against the person defending with a gun? Remember how the Judges,prosecutors etc were also biased against Gun owner.
105 posted on 11/26/2012 6:38:05 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: muawiyah

LOL!

You pulled that comparison straight out of your ass too!

Yer killin’ me!


106 posted on 11/26/2012 6:39:49 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: rurgan

They are coming for our guns. We need to do the moral thing and not take finishing shots like this guy.


107 posted on 11/26/2012 6:42:02 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Yep. I have to say, if anyone ever broke into my house and I was cornered, I would be so terrified my only thought would be kill-kill-kill. Not “disable and call for help.” If I’m judged for it later, so be it.

As I've taught my wife, just make sure you empty the clip.

There is nothing so convincing than a woman who keeps pulling the trigger until she hears "click, click, click" and runs out of bullets defending herself.

Aim for center mass and don't stop pulling the trigger until the the magazine is empty.

At that point all she has to say is "I don't know, I was so afraid I just kept pulling the trigger until I heard click, click, click."

108 posted on 11/26/2012 6:42:33 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: muawiyah

I’m very behind on that (like none beyond the name), can you explain what kind of thing happens in manga?


109 posted on 11/26/2012 6:42:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: LibWhacker
The media photoshopped this little criminal's picture to make him look innocent:


110 posted on 11/26/2012 6:44:37 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: TurboZamboni

A story like this is frustrating because we just don’t know, and cannot know all the facts. So we just project our own issues onto it.


111 posted on 11/26/2012 6:46:46 PM PST by DManA
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To: theDentist

No . MN has no death penalty. even if we did, it would be like CA , where you’d likely die on ‘death row’ of old age.


112 posted on 11/26/2012 6:47:44 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: muawiyah
Bet he stuck more in her than bullets.

LOL!

Do you do stand up comedy every Monday night?

113 posted on 11/26/2012 6:49:26 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: The Cajun

crooks is crooks. guess the guy he shot is worth nothing.


114 posted on 11/26/2012 6:51:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: TomasUSMC

no kidding. amen. that’s how many it took. one less wasn’t enough and one more would have been too much.


115 posted on 11/26/2012 6:53:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GeronL

in shtf, they will be.


116 posted on 11/26/2012 6:54:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: DesertRhino

if this is what he said and it’s what actually happened, he’s messed up and deserves to be locked up for being mentally unbalanced.


117 posted on 11/26/2012 6:56:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: driftdiver

recall the photos the media always used of Trayvon.

My summation is they broke in(had done so before here according to their friends). This time they got more than they bargained for.

Like I said before-play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


118 posted on 11/26/2012 6:56:42 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: BunnySlippers
They paid for their crimes.

In no State in the Union is death the penalty for the crimes we are speculating they committed. Maybe in Saudi Arabia but not in the US.

119 posted on 11/26/2012 6:56:59 PM PST by DManA
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To: Eaker

The autopsy will tell all.


120 posted on 11/26/2012 6:58:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: DesertRhino

stuff ~ guys in japan read it on the way to work on the subway


121 posted on 11/26/2012 6:59:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bigheadfred

“When someone breaks into your house and you shoot them dead PLEASE invite me to your execution. PRETTY PLEASE?”

Not necessary here. In Texas the ‘castle’ law is still the law of the land around here.


122 posted on 11/26/2012 7:00:59 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: driftdiver

They have ~ this is a federal police force guy ~ not a building guard. He’s trained and experienced and nuttier than a mounds bar!


123 posted on 11/26/2012 7:01:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: usconservative
As I've taught my wife, just make sure you empty the clip.

Well then make sure your wife reads this story, especially this part:

"Then Smith positioned the revolver's barrel under her chin and pulled the trigger in what he described as a "good, clean finishing shot" meant to end her suffering, he said."

Yep Smith should be one of your heroes. Someone for you and your wife to look to and emulate. Maybe you can send him some of your advice when he is sitting in that jail cell.

124 posted on 11/26/2012 7:01:02 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: muawiyah

Ahhhh,, i see. Understood.


125 posted on 11/26/2012 7:01:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DManA
A story like this is frustrating because we just don’t know, and cannot know all the facts. So we just project our own issues onto it.

What we do know though, is that the guys admits murdering them and moving the bodies, the girl while still alive, before he finished her off with one under her chin.

We also know that after moving the bodies, he waited until the next day to do anything about it.

Post 55 mentions some details.

126 posted on 11/26/2012 7:02:07 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: muawiyah

Ahhhh,, i see. Understood.


127 posted on 11/26/2012 7:02:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Looking at what he admits to it does seem he’s trying to hide something ~ like, maybe he thinks if he tells them where all the bullets went they won’t do a thorough autopsy.


128 posted on 11/26/2012 7:03:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

You should read the story before posting.


129 posted on 11/26/2012 7:03:53 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: muawiyah

The way you were posting I thought you had already performed the autopsy.

Not really, I knew you were just making crap up out of whole cloth like a busybody old lady.


130 posted on 11/26/2012 7:04:50 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: muawiyah
maybe he thinks if he tells them where all the bullets went they won’t do a thorough autopsy.

Another zinger!

LOL!

You are hot tonight!

131 posted on 11/26/2012 7:06:58 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: DManA

Agreed.


132 posted on 11/26/2012 7:07:21 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: steerpike100

My gut tells me his whole story is bs. I don’t believe they broke in. They just walked for miles in the snow and decided randomly to walk across his spread and break into his house? Theres no mention of them having a vehicle nearby. Then thre’s the part about the guy going down in the basement, being shot, and a few minutes later she decideds to walk down into the basement? Um, sure.

I suspect they will find this guy somehow lured them to his house, or abducted them, then made up the story to try to justify it.


133 posted on 11/26/2012 7:09:50 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: driftdiver
I missed the part about meth. Searched Google News and didn't find anything definitive about drugs. But sure, if they were on drugs or motivated by drugs, they got what they deserved unfortunately, right up to the coup de grace.

Found this ( source):

A few minutes later, according to the complaint, Kifer came down into the basement and he shot her as well until she fell down the stairs. He said he tried to shoot her again, and when his Mini 14 rifle jammed, she laughed at him. He said this made him upset.

“If you’re trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,” he told police. He said he shot her multiple times in the chest with a .22-caliber revolver.

He dragged both of them on tarps into his office workshop, the charges state. Kifer was still breathing so he admitted to shooting her once again under the chin and up into her skull. He told authorities he wanted to end her suffering with “a good clean finishing shot.”

Wonder if Smith had the .22 on him, or did he have to leave the room, go back to his gun safe, say, grab the revolver, then return to finish off the girl?
134 posted on 11/26/2012 7:09:50 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Eaker
you forgot all about it.

Look, you were undoubtedly using a different name on FR at the time, but i bet we can find what you had to say ~ probably tried to defend the shooter eh!

135 posted on 11/26/2012 7:14:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tomkat
And that acre seems slightly less idyllic once you've hit the thirtieth mowing of the year and there's another month or two left before autumn.

We're talkin' Minnesota here. The grass-growing season only lasts ten weeks...

136 posted on 11/26/2012 7:14:35 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: LibWhacker

He was ok right up until he fired the finishing shots.

But they would probably have bled to death in short order anyway.


137 posted on 11/26/2012 7:16:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ansel12

“You should read the story before posting.”

I read the story. I wasn’t commenting on the story. I was commening on the posters post. :-)


138 posted on 11/26/2012 7:16:18 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: okie01
Oh . . .


             

139 posted on 11/26/2012 7:21:44 PM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Sorry, I thought that you might not have read it, and thought that Castle Doctrine applied.


140 posted on 11/26/2012 7:21:52 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: TurboZamboni
Humphrey Bogart said it best in "The African Queen" ... "You pays your money and takes your chance".

All the guy would have to tell me is that he felt that his life may have still be in danger and I would vote "innocent" all day long.

Of course if he just went "Charles Bronson" on 'em, well that's a horse of a different color.

141 posted on 11/26/2012 7:24:03 PM PST by The Duke
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To: bigheadfred
There is nothing wrong with what this guy did. For all the SHTF enthusiasts out there you must wrap your minds around this. Perfect training exercise. All the people sitting around decrying the decline of civilization but yet are unwillingly to pull that trigger. Again and again and again.

I know what you are saying, but we aren't there yet.

One of the ironies of a declining civilization is that the civilized are supposed to abide by the rules until the civilization is gone.

While there are rules, we stick with them.

When the rules go away, things will be different and what we call civilization is done. Then we have a period of upheaval, and maybe we can get it back, utilizing brutal means (by the standards of the now-done civilization).

In some quarters, it is gone already, at least for short, localized events (like 'flash mobs').

The biggest difficulty will be in the transition.

As for these two, I can't say one way or the other. 'Cute' does not equal nice, and I have seen some sordid types use their looks to be even more sordid, banking on the 'cute=good' bit to get away with it.

I don't know enough about the parties involved to judge, one way or the other, but under the current set of rules, 'finishing off' the bad guys is considered bad form, at least legally.

142 posted on 11/26/2012 7:25:19 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: DesertRhino
And we are to believe this 18 year old girl just does it without even calling out for the guy who just went in ahead of her?

Perhaps she waited outside while he went into the house. Smith shoots the guy, puts the body in a tarp and drags it away. Then, not having heard the gunfire, and wondering where her cousin is, she goes in looking for him. They must have believed Smith was away for the holiday or something, and they would have the run of the place.

I wonder, if you were hiding outside the house, if gunfire in the basement would have been audible. According to Zillow, it's a 5082 square foot house. It defies belief that she would have gone into the basement knowing there was a guy with a gun inside.

On the other hand, maybe he got the drop on them, marched them down to the basement, and executed them. And then fed the cops a cockamamie story.

In either scenario, it also defies belief that the guy would turn himself in instead of simply letting the pair disappear, having disposed of their remains and taking his chances they didn't tell anybody their plan. He is apparently retired State Department security, so he obviously knows self-defense law.

143 posted on 11/26/2012 7:27:42 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Eaker
The obvious answer is to use a large enough caliber to only require one round each.

Shotgun. No ballistics.

144 posted on 11/26/2012 7:28:20 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: muawiyah
You just can't stop yourself can you?

LOL!

You are hilarious!

You have strung together more insipid and possibly drunken posts on one thread than I have seen in a while.

You are a master at making crap up on par with Joe Biden and I am just going to sit back and watch where your moth eaten brain leads you next.

145 posted on 11/26/2012 7:28:48 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: DesertRhino
“Self defense is what you do to save you or others.”

Sort of a side note, but if one is concerned with “immediately stopping the threat”, a .223 is probably not the most effective round.

146 posted on 11/26/2012 7:31:02 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I know enough about people to know there are plenty of people out there who don't have a gun beside there bed or under their pillow because they are afraid someone will break into their house and try to rob them. But because they WANT them to.

While there are rules, we stick with them.

While there are rules, we pantomime them.

147 posted on 11/26/2012 7:45:29 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: muawiyah

OK, I’ll wait. Ping me if you hear anything.


148 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
crooks is crooks. guess the guy he shot is worth nothing.

Nope, that's not what I said.
Shooting the girl in the head just makes it worse to me, my feelings about it.
Like I said, if it went down the way stated, fry the bastard, even if it would have been just the 17 year old boy, he ain't human.

149 posted on 11/26/2012 7:57:11 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: driftdiver

“The first shots were legit...”

Make the first shots count.


150 posted on 11/26/2012 7:57:57 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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