Skip to comments.Little Falls man describes 'finishing' teenagers with shots to heads
Posted on 11/26/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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Those pictures were before meth. I bet the after meth pictures aren’t so pretty.
“Bet he stuck more in her than bullets”
I sure wouldn’t bet against you on that. He sure wasn’t interested in reporting his shot home invaders.
That’s what I thought. I am betting they were in his house at his request or his coercion.
“The agency cops kill people and provide muscle ~ theyve all been trained extensively over the last few decades.”
Sure they have.
You pulled that comparison straight out of your ass too!
Yer killin’ me!
They are coming for our guns. We need to do the moral thing and not take finishing shots like this guy.
As I've taught my wife, just make sure you empty the clip.
There is nothing so convincing than a woman who keeps pulling the trigger until she hears "click, click, click" and runs out of bullets defending herself.
Aim for center mass and don't stop pulling the trigger until the the magazine is empty.
At that point all she has to say is "I don't know, I was so afraid I just kept pulling the trigger until I heard click, click, click."
I’m very behind on that (like none beyond the name), can you explain what kind of thing happens in manga?
A story like this is frustrating because we just don’t know, and cannot know all the facts. So we just project our own issues onto it.
No . MN has no death penalty. even if we did, it would be like CA , where you’d likely die on ‘death row’ of old age.
Do you do stand up comedy every Monday night?
crooks is crooks. guess the guy he shot is worth nothing.
no kidding. amen. that’s how many it took. one less wasn’t enough and one more would have been too much.
in shtf, they will be.
if this is what he said and it’s what actually happened, he’s messed up and deserves to be locked up for being mentally unbalanced.
recall the photos the media always used of Trayvon.
My summation is they broke in(had done so before here according to their friends). This time they got more than they bargained for.
Like I said before-play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
In no State in the Union is death the penalty for the crimes we are speculating they committed. Maybe in Saudi Arabia but not in the US.
The autopsy will tell all.
stuff ~ guys in japan read it on the way to work on the subway
“When someone breaks into your house and you shoot them dead PLEASE invite me to your execution. PRETTY PLEASE?”
Not necessary here. In Texas the ‘castle’ law is still the law of the land around here.
They have ~ this is a federal police force guy ~ not a building guard. He’s trained and experienced and nuttier than a mounds bar!
Well then make sure your wife reads this story, especially this part:
"Then Smith positioned the revolver's barrel under her chin and pulled the trigger in what he described as a "good, clean finishing shot" meant to end her suffering, he said."
Yep Smith should be one of your heroes. Someone for you and your wife to look to and emulate. Maybe you can send him some of your advice when he is sitting in that jail cell.
Ahhhh,, i see. Understood.
What we do know though, is that the guys admits murdering them and moving the bodies, the girl while still alive, before he finished her off with one under her chin.
We also know that after moving the bodies, he waited until the next day to do anything about it.
Post 55 mentions some details.
Ahhhh,, i see. Understood.
Looking at what he admits to it does seem he’s trying to hide something ~ like, maybe he thinks if he tells them where all the bullets went they won’t do a thorough autopsy.
You should read the story before posting.
The way you were posting I thought you had already performed the autopsy.
Not really, I knew you were just making crap up out of whole cloth like a busybody old lady.
You are hot tonight!
My gut tells me his whole story is bs. I don’t believe they broke in. They just walked for miles in the snow and decided randomly to walk across his spread and break into his house? Theres no mention of them having a vehicle nearby. Then thre’s the part about the guy going down in the basement, being shot, and a few minutes later she decideds to walk down into the basement? Um, sure.
I suspect they will find this guy somehow lured them to his house, or abducted them, then made up the story to try to justify it.
Found this ( source):
A few minutes later, according to the complaint, Kifer came down into the basement and he shot her as well until she fell down the stairs. He said he tried to shoot her again, and when his Mini 14 rifle jammed, she laughed at him. He said this made him upset.Wonder if Smith had the .22 on him, or did he have to leave the room, go back to his gun safe, say, grab the revolver, then return to finish off the girl?
If youre trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again, he told police. He said he shot her multiple times in the chest with a .22-caliber revolver.
He dragged both of them on tarps into his office workshop, the charges state. Kifer was still breathing so he admitted to shooting her once again under the chin and up into her skull. He told authorities he wanted to end her suffering with a good clean finishing shot.
Look, you were undoubtedly using a different name on FR at the time, but i bet we can find what you had to say ~ probably tried to defend the shooter eh!
We're talkin' Minnesota here. The grass-growing season only lasts ten weeks...
He was ok right up until he fired the finishing shots.
But they would probably have bled to death in short order anyway.
“You should read the story before posting.”
I read the story. I wasn’t commenting on the story. I was commening on the posters post. :-)
Sorry, I thought that you might not have read it, and thought that Castle Doctrine applied.
All the guy would have to tell me is that he felt that his life may have still be in danger and I would vote "innocent" all day long.
Of course if he just went "Charles Bronson" on 'em, well that's a horse of a different color.
I know what you are saying, but we aren't there yet.
One of the ironies of a declining civilization is that the civilized are supposed to abide by the rules until the civilization is gone.
While there are rules, we stick with them.
When the rules go away, things will be different and what we call civilization is done. Then we have a period of upheaval, and maybe we can get it back, utilizing brutal means (by the standards of the now-done civilization).
In some quarters, it is gone already, at least for short, localized events (like 'flash mobs').
The biggest difficulty will be in the transition.
As for these two, I can't say one way or the other. 'Cute' does not equal nice, and I have seen some sordid types use their looks to be even more sordid, banking on the 'cute=good' bit to get away with it.
I don't know enough about the parties involved to judge, one way or the other, but under the current set of rules, 'finishing off' the bad guys is considered bad form, at least legally.
Perhaps she waited outside while he went into the house. Smith shoots the guy, puts the body in a tarp and drags it away. Then, not having heard the gunfire, and wondering where her cousin is, she goes in looking for him. They must have believed Smith was away for the holiday or something, and they would have the run of the place.
I wonder, if you were hiding outside the house, if gunfire in the basement would have been audible. According to Zillow, it's a 5082 square foot house. It defies belief that she would have gone into the basement knowing there was a guy with a gun inside.
On the other hand, maybe he got the drop on them, marched them down to the basement, and executed them. And then fed the cops a cockamamie story.
In either scenario, it also defies belief that the guy would turn himself in instead of simply letting the pair disappear, having disposed of their remains and taking his chances they didn't tell anybody their plan. He is apparently retired State Department security, so he obviously knows self-defense law.
Shotgun. No ballistics.
You are hilarious!
You have strung together more insipid and possibly drunken posts on one thread than I have seen in a while.
You are a master at making crap up on par with Joe Biden and I am just going to sit back and watch where your moth eaten brain leads you next.
Sort of a side note, but if one is concerned with “immediately stopping the threat”, a .223 is probably not the most effective round.
While there are rules, we stick with them.
While there are rules, we pantomime them.
OK, I’ll wait. Ping me if you hear anything.
Nope, that's not what I said.
Shooting the girl in the head just makes it worse to me, my feelings about it.
Like I said, if it went down the way stated, fry the bastard, even if it would have been just the 17 year old boy, he ain't human.
“The first shots were legit...”
Make the first shots count.