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Little Falls man describes 'finishing' teenagers with shots to heads
pioneer press ^ | 11-26-12 | Joseph Lindberg

Posted on 11/26/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by TurboZamboni

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To: TurboZamboni

Think I’ll just wait to see how this one develops.

I remember when the “official” story was that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon several times while Trayvon was on the ground begging for his life. This story could change a lot too.


51 posted on 11/26/2012 5:56:18 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: TurboZamboni

The obvious answer is to use a large enough caliber to only require one round each.


52 posted on 11/26/2012 5:57:44 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The whole idea of not letting the perp hang around to testify kinda goes to crap when you tell his side of the story, dumb@$$.

Also waited too long to call 911, you want the bodies warm, just not breathing.

53 posted on 11/26/2012 5:58:31 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: sagar
I bet they won’t be committing home invasion and other crimes.

I bet they never did. His story sounds like total BS.

54 posted on 11/26/2012 5:58:37 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: rurgan

That basement became quite a killing place, he was murdering them, and not with clean shots.

“”Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that “he didn’t want to trouble us on a holiday.”

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.

“I want him dead,” the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Brady’s body into his basement workshop, then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin “up into the cranium,” the complaint says.

“Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,’” according to the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.””


55 posted on 11/26/2012 5:59:15 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: muawiyah

LOL!

Pulled that one straight out of your ass!


56 posted on 11/26/2012 5:59:15 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Dunno, depends if he heard them break in. IMO it was probably a drug deal gone bad. It took him 24 hours to get the drugs out of his house.


57 posted on 11/26/2012 5:59:15 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Why do we think the only people allowed to execute anyone is the government? When someone is a predator and enters someone else’s home to commit an act such as theft they deserve to be executed on the spot.


58 posted on 11/26/2012 6:00:15 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“The man is lying. The investigators will eventually release the whole story.”

So, what’s your relation to this story such that you have insider information to be able to say such a thing?


59 posted on 11/26/2012 6:01:41 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’m not going to shed any tears for the victims.


That’s assuming the nut is telling the truth about the teens breaking in his house and him hanging out with the bodies for a few days in the name of Thanksgiving. For all you know, he invited them over to knock them off. He’s abnormal.

It should suprise no one that bloody murderers will use gun law protections to cover for murder. They will. Their crimes do not make the laws protecting self defense, wrong. But they need to be nabbed.


60 posted on 11/26/2012 6:03:15 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: TurboZamboni
Whenever something really bizarre happens, meth is always involved.
61 posted on 11/26/2012 6:03:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: DesertRhino

“...i doubt he really saved the streets from these hardened criminals.”

I think those criminals hardened quite a bit as rigormortis set in. *zing*


62 posted on 11/26/2012 6:04:05 PM PST by sagar
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To: CodeToad
When some criminals invade my home I'm not going to conduct an investigation as I don't know how many of them are there, what guns they have or will draw on me , I will shoot first and ask questions later, shoot with a high calibar semiautomatic weapon . I advise all to do the same. Of course you can sit there and ask questions and so and let some thug or yute draw and shoot or torture you to death as i have read so many stories of but I don't recommend that.
63 posted on 11/26/2012 6:04:40 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: DesertRhino

No one nows the truth in this story- but...

His neighbors say he was a scary loner-( from locaL news)
shot his guns off at ALL hours-
The girl was in an “alternative highschool”- troubled youth
The boy has been arrested before-

Now - multiple homes broken into- and this guy may
have had his residence “burgled” before-

Last... Mineeeesota Has No Death penalty- and the prisons are pretty neat-


64 posted on 11/26/2012 6:04:40 PM PST by mj1234
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To: bigheadfred
There is nothing wrong with what this guy did.

Nonsense. Once the intruders were neutralized and no longer a threat, executing them becomes a crime in and of itself. The guy can try to make the argument that the wounded youths were still a threat. Good luck with that.

Having your home broken into does not convey unlimited rights to assault the intruders with a firearm, nor should it.

I'm very much a "Castle Doctrine" believer, but the facts of this case seem to indicate that the homeowner committed a crime far greater than that which was committed against him.

65 posted on 11/26/2012 6:05:08 PM PST by sargon
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To: bigheadfred
uh, he shot them, disabled them, and shot them again to make sure they were dead.

Just tracking through his story he used his deadly force to defend himself. Then, when they were disabled, he used deadly force to kill them.

There's some passage of time between the events as well ~ between disabling them and killing them.

That's considered MURDER!

Actually, I don't believe his story.

66 posted on 11/26/2012 6:05:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Valpal1

He first wounded both of them below the waist, and then later shot them in the face, close up and personal, he even moved the girl before finishing her off face to face.

I think that we can figure that he was talking to them as he was killing them.


67 posted on 11/26/2012 6:07:05 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: driftdiver

The autopsy should cover much of this ~ he shot her several times according to his claim. Bet he stuck more in her than bullets.


68 posted on 11/26/2012 6:07:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CodeToad
Why do we think the only people allowed to execute anyone is the government?

Well in this case the executioner WAS a government employee -- a retired security officer from the State Department.

Why indeed???

69 posted on 11/26/2012 6:10:39 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: DesertRhino; All

Advice to all, drew your gun quickly shoot and ask questions later otherwise this is what they could do to you if they get the draw on you, they tortured this couple for 2 days then murdered them :

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-worst-crime-youve-never-heard-of-314227.html

Christopher Newsom, 23 and Channon Christian, 21 were on a date in Christian’s Toyota 4-Runner on the evening of January 6, 2007. At some point along their route, they were approached by four black men demanding possession of their vehicle. It’s unclear whether or not the couple complied with the request, or attempted to flee. At some point in the struggle the attempted carjacking turned to something more sinister. The perpetrators kidnapped the couple and took them back to a residence belonging to one of the four kidnappers. Upon arrival Newsom and Christian were restrained. Autopsy records indicate Newsom was sodomized, sexually mutilated and then shot several times. His body was then doused with gasoline and burned near railroad tracks running behind the house. His girlfriend, Channon Christian was forced to witness her boyfriend’s torture and subsequent murder. Police believe over the next two days, Christian was repeatedly gang-raped by these four thugs. Some reports indicate she was also sexually mutilated before her death. To cover any “evidence,” these savages poured drain cleaner down Christian’s throat before strangling her and disposing of her body in a large kitchen trashcan.


70 posted on 11/26/2012 6:11:17 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: rurgan

Yeah, sane people, real men, question this kind of deed.

“”After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin “up into the cranium,” the complaint says.

“Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,’” according to the complaint.””


71 posted on 11/26/2012 6:11:49 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: rurgan
‘When some criminals invade my home I'm not going to conduct an investigation as I don't know how many of them are there, what guns they have or will draw on me , I will shoot first and ask questions later, shoot with a high calibar semiautomatic weapon . I advise all to do the same. Of course you can sit there and ask questions and so and let some thug or yute draw and shoot or torture you to death as i have read so many stories of but I don't recommend that. ‘
Good points!
Last year, a similar killing happened a few miles away from me. Only the druggy youths killed three people, raping the 92 year old woman after killing her. This realville,not some soppy soap opera.
Just a tip.
Do not break into my house.
Just a word to the wise.
If there is a defense fund for the victim of the attack, I will send money to it.
TWB
72 posted on 11/26/2012 6:12:01 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: TurboZamboni

When the SHTF, we will have many more of these incidents. In some cases, nice, good looking kids will be killed while looking for food, and in other cases, a van will pull up with 3 guys with ARs looking for food and whatever else they can find. Of course, the media puts out a story of a kook recluse with a wild looking mug shot and two beautiful looking teens.
If someone breaks into your house, you shouldn’t have look up castle law cases before reacting. And shouting out to the intruder, “watch out I have a gun” will give away your position and might be followed by a few rounds in your direction.
But that being said, this guy sure had a sick streak. Finishing them off and not calling the police right away will not win him any points.


73 posted on 11/26/2012 6:12:27 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: muawiyah

He thought this sounded better than whatever it was that he actually did, that’s the amazing thing.

I couldn’t begin to guess what that might have been, but serious nuttery is not at all out of the question.


74 posted on 11/26/2012 6:12:38 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Uncle Chip; driftdiver; DesertRhino
My grandfather had been a postal guard/policeman back in the Depression ~ lots of occasions to have to brandish his firearm. But when he was retired and in his 80s he and grandmother were standing at a bus stop waiting to go downtown and a street thug approached them with a pistol to rob them.

The criminal got close, Grandma threw up her hands knocking the gun into the air and Grandpa caught the pistol and put the dude on the ground in a front leaning rest until the cops showed up.

Here's a State Department security officer who's barely 62 years of age ~ he took these kids down in a NY second ~ then he killed them.

75 posted on 11/26/2012 6:13:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; sargon; DesertRhino

Yeah, I know.

But what would the world be like if we all agreed on something?

LOL


76 posted on 11/26/2012 6:15:03 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: CodeToad

Self defense is what you do to save you or others. Killing because you are mad, or to enforce your non-bible supported worldview, of death for a theft is simply murder. Life is better when you can avoid murder.

No, seriously.

It’s a challenge to train Marines and cops to the point that they will enter a room where rifle fire is happening. And we are to believe this 18 year old girl just does it without even calling out for the guy who just went in ahead of her? And then she laughs when hit in the gut or lower with a 223 from a few feet away.

Sure,,, it happened just like that.


77 posted on 11/26/2012 6:15:47 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: okie01
The photograph accompanying the article shows the home sitting on what appears to be at least a one acre lot.

According to Zillow, it sits on a tad less than 8 acres.

78 posted on 11/26/2012 6:16:20 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: TWhiteBear; rurgan

Since no one disagrees with shooting a burglar if you feel in danger, then why are you pretending that is what this thread is about?


79 posted on 11/26/2012 6:16:20 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: TurboZamboni

Enjoy life in prison doofus.


80 posted on 11/26/2012 6:17:21 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: driftdiver

Agree with you.

A week ago a worthless scumbag in my small hometown broke into a house in broad daylight and shot to death three children, aged 13, 10 and 6, and also their grandmother, with whom they were staying at the time.

The 20-year-old murderer did this because he was a worthless piece of garbage and also because he was a druggie and a thief, much as the two burglars in this story.

The murdering drug-addled piece of filth in my hometown committed his final act of violent cowardice by slitting his own throat later that same day, so there was no chance for anyone to shoot back at him or putting a gun to his head for the “finishing” shot.

But I have been given to wonder about same, inasmuch as this murdering piece of scum is suspected of committing many break-ins—very similar to the one in this story—and I have often wondered how I would have dealt with it had I found him or someone like him in my kitchen, or bedroom, or basement.

I am virtually always within reach of a weapon, and that includes in my bedroom, and if someone had kicked my door off the hinges I know I would have shot to defend my home and myself. If such a break-in had happened once, let alone eight times, I am not completely sure I would have realized when it was time to stop.

You know what? If someone had stopped him on one of his previous little larks, a grandmother and her three grandchildren would still be alive today.


81 posted on 11/26/2012 6:18:06 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: driftdiver
The first shots were legit, the finishing shots were murder.

Right, which is why the first shots should've been to their heads and his defense would've been he was in fear for his life as they charged him.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is nowadays. My lawyer once told me that if I ever pulled my gun on someone and shot them, that I'd damn' well better kill them instead of maiming them because there'd be no one around to contradict my version of the truth, and estates settle for less.

Again, just a cold hard reality of the society we now live in (which has been made WORSE under Herr Obama. The moochers now believe they can act with impunity. Our job ... dare I say our RESPONSIBILITY is to prove that they cannot act with impunity.)

82 posted on 11/26/2012 6:18:27 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Eaker

you’ve forgotten haven’t you ~ same part of the world ~ http://www.google.com/#q=hmong+murders+hunters&hl=en&tbo=d&ei=XyG0UP2JM8GgyAGh_YDIAg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=488ae73babd585f2&bpcl=38897761&biw=925&bih=450 ~ and tell me you didn’t forget all that ~


83 posted on 11/26/2012 6:18:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CodeToad

nobody believes his story Code ~ so hold up awhile. this dude caught them and killed them ~ likely they didn’t break in


84 posted on 11/26/2012 6:20:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver; grumpygresh

Sorry DD I meant to address my comment to grumpygresh.


85 posted on 11/26/2012 6:21:21 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: muawiyah

The guy wasn’t a seal, he sat at a desk for 30 years and signed people in.


86 posted on 11/26/2012 6:21:27 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: usconservative

I personally wouldn’t shoot until I could see their face, or at least center mass.


87 posted on 11/26/2012 6:24:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DesertRhino

This sort of thing happens in manga ~ so the cops would be well advised to see what he’s been reading. might give them a clue about what was going on before he shot them.


88 posted on 11/26/2012 6:26:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, the shooter should be prosecuted for not reporting the shootings immediately.

But they were, by other reports, troubled kids. They paid for their crimes.


89 posted on 11/26/2012 6:27:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ansel12; All
To all:

The liberal media and a government prosecutor will demonize any gun owner defending their property:they want to take away our right to bear arms and to protect our property.

I guess you believe the media when stories demonizing Palin too?

90 posted on 11/26/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: ansel12; All
To all:

The liberal media and a government prosecutor will demonize any gun owner defending their property:they want to take away our right to bear arms and to protect our property.

I guess you believe the media stories demonizing Palin too?

91 posted on 11/26/2012 6:29:01 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: rurgan

Yep. I have to say, if anyone ever broke into my house and I was cornered, I would be so terrified my only thought would be kill-kill-kill. Not “disable and call for help.” If I’m judged for it later, so be it. I think this guy sounds kind of deranged, but... once someone breaks into someone else’s house, I do not care what happens to them.


92 posted on 11/26/2012 6:29:56 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: driftdiver
Don't count on it ~ you know the federales take your pistolas away when you hit 50 unless you are a top executive ~

These are not ordinary cops ~

93 posted on 11/26/2012 6:30:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: rurgan

We know that tragic story. But it has little to do with this. If those kids in that Newsome case could have defended themselves, that would have been a blessing.

But there is a huge difference between shooting as much as it takes to stop a reasonable threat. (someone in your house almost always fits great here) But a shooter had better learn to correctly decide when most of society will agree that the threat has been neutralized.

But dragging the bodies to where you want them. Shooting a girl crippled by a gut shot with a rifle from a few feet away because she is “laughing”, is exactly the “questions” you had better be asking before you shoot.
And when you drag her over by her dead companion. You see that despite that rifle shot, and the chest full of 22s you gave her because she was laughing, she is gasping for air.
You really better understand why “ask questions later” is a BAD plan if you intend to walk up close, and give her a 22 under the chin solely because you can see she is suffering.


94 posted on 11/26/2012 6:30:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: gaijin

Yeah, looks like the SOB spared society from a couple of hardened criminals.

Maybe the first shot(s) were justified. I'm willing to give the shooter the benefit of the doubt, if there is any. All that will come out during the investigation. But finishing them off was murder, pure and simple.

95 posted on 11/26/2012 6:32:20 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: rurgan

Sometimes guns are used by psycho killers, and they are so psychotic that they openly describe their murders to the police, this is one of those cases.

Try to be honest with yourself, read this story, and deal with it.


96 posted on 11/26/2012 6:33:00 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Hugin

Naw, these kids were into drugs and up to no good. Little did they realize but that some folks just don’t share the same value system that they do, and were accustomed to taking advantage of that fact all their bratty lives.

So let’s say they’re not in Minnesota, but are creeping around some stranger’s house in, say, Mexico City. Do you think maybe they’d give pause to consider the advisability of sneaking down into the cellar? They figured the odds were all in their favor.

It’s possible this old coot went out and caught these spry teenagers on the street, and marched them into his house and down into his dungeon, but not likely. These kids found the wrong house to plunder and rob. Too bad the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, but it’s too bad for them, not the old man down in the workshop of his basement, tinkering around and minding his own business on Thanksgiving Day. What he saw creeping down the cellar stairs were two varmints up to no good. It’s just too bad for those kids. Maybe they didn’t deserve it, but they
had to be willing to accept the risk when they did what they did.

I would vote not guilty. I’m sick and tired of the looter/taker/moocher class.


97 posted on 11/26/2012 6:33:00 PM PST by steerpike100
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To: Erik Latranyi

Me neither. I would not vote to convict with the info provided.


98 posted on 11/26/2012 6:33:29 PM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: TurboZamboni

If I could post on this site I would say something to the effect: “Thankfully we are not as barbaric as those idiots in Texas. We don’t have the death penalty, because we believe that government should not take the life of someone, regardless of whether he did something distasteful in the eyes of, at least, some of us.”

The idea is throw the soft-on-crime crap RIGHT BACK at the liberals who make a career of it.


99 posted on 11/26/2012 6:33:38 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: driftdiver

Forgot to add ~ GSA cops do the sign ins. The agency cops kill people and provide muscle ~ they’ve all been trained extensively over the last few decades.


100 posted on 11/26/2012 6:34:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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