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Gregoire pushes for online sales tax
kiroTV ^ | 11/26/12 | AP

Posted on 11/26/2012 7:11:11 PM PST by Baynative

OLYMPIA, Wash. —

Gov. Chris Gregoire's time in office may be best remembered for the major deals she helped broker, often in late-night bargaining sessions in which negotiators were ordered to find a resolution.

Now the Democrat, two months away from leaving Washington state government, is looking to finalize one more big agreement.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ecommerce; gregoire; internettax; tax; taxandspend; washington
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To: Baynative

Typical lib, trying to kill off some more businesses even in her last days in office.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 7:15:53 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Baynative

European style VAT or a national sales tax is coming to pay for kenyancare.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 7:17:09 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; HairOfTheDog; ...
WA Ping

I can't think of a better example of liberal thinking. First she raises taxes on all the businesses in her state and then she says those same business owners are treated unfairly because other states don't have high tax rates. The, she closes by saying her state (Washington) desperately needs money. Yet, she can't see the reason why after driving us down social spending the drain for 8 years.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 7:18:39 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Baynative

Higher tax rate, reduced revenue, who would have thunk it.

With tax free Oregon right next door, this isn’t going to fix the issue.

I remember when my Dad came out to visit me and had to pay 15% to rent a car, was shocking to my parents who are from the country on the east coast.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 7:22:27 PM PST by dila813
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To: lodi90
"kenyancare"

WOW, that's a good one. I hope it catches on!

6 posted on 11/26/2012 7:23:53 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Baynative
Nutty libtard auditioning for Bobo's new Business Czar fiefdom, oy vey... M$loth in her own backyard, you think that they want to see this attached to every online purchase?

"It's one of my top priorities right now," Gregoire said. "We desperately need the money."

Why you so broke, bish? Bad budgets? Can't count to 100?

7 posted on 11/26/2012 7:24:48 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Baynative
She is absolutely right, tax free on line sales are “killing” main street business in the USA. It is an unfair situation. The only people gaining are UPS and FedX.
8 posted on 11/26/2012 7:26:10 PM PST by Gertie
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To: dila813

I thought the tax on car rentals at SeaTac was 21%.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 7:29:47 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Gertie
She is absolutely right, tax free on line sales are “killing” main street business in the USA.

Don't you think the same argument was made about the advent of mail-order shopping? The internet is today's Sears-Roebuck catalog.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 7:32:42 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PhiloBedo

Just kill off the last thing keeping the economy afloat....


11 posted on 11/26/2012 7:34:42 PM PST by GraceG
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12 posted on 11/26/2012 7:43:23 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Gertie
The only people gaining are UPS and FedX.

UPS = the Teamsters. Does Gregoire REALLY want to F*** with the Teamsters?


13 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:38 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PhiloBedo

Stand too close to a dying Democrat and he’ll have his hand in your pocket (`Aahh, change!’ croak).


14 posted on 11/26/2012 8:06:06 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Baynative

LOL, it was a while ago.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 8:22:37 PM PST by dila813
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To: PhiloBedo

Not having to pay Washington state sales tax is one of the things that make it fun to shop on the internet.

Maybe she’ll slip in the shower and break a hip.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 8:24:50 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gertie

Get your figures straight. When I buy on-line, I pay more in shipping charges than I would pay sales tax on MOST items under $200 (which are majority of items sold on-line) if I walked into a brick & mortar store locally.

I like on-line for the convenience. It saves me time, and I do not have to fight crazed shoppers looking for bargains.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 8:52:47 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Gertie

You are completely wrong. I own a main street business in a rural farm town. I also sell the exact same products nationally and internationally via a website.

Many of my local buyers buy from me online and zip by on their lunch break or on their way home from work to pick up their order. Or they are using a mobile shopping app and use their smartphone to find my shop.

Main street businesses that do not have a website or sell online are simply failing to adapt to the market.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 9:07:17 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Gertie

“She is absolutely right, tax free on line sales are “killing” main street business in the USA. It is an unfair situation. The only people gaining are UPS and FedX. “

I disagree! The consumer is benefitting, because it isn’t the lack of a sales tax that’s the greatest appeal ( although the idea of keeping even a little bit of my money out of the hands of the morons in state government is appealing), it’s the convenience and the broad spectrum of selection. Here in CA they’ve started trying to collect “use tax” from residents on their state income tax returns. You can either claim what you’ve actually paid, or have them “figure” it on your AGI. I decided to let the tax program “ figure” my liability and it turned out to be a pittance.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 9:07:58 PM PST by vette6387
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To: PhiloBedo

Still trying to sell the problem as someone else not paying their “fair share,” as opposed to the government class spending far, far more than any projected revenue they can reasonably expect.

They will fail, yes. They will take America with them.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 9:26:26 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: PhiloBedo
well the new rat governor.....we haven't had a pub governor for something like 30 yrs...well the new rat gov pledged that he was NOT going to raise taxes...

so you see, the old rat gov will get the taxes all passed so the new rat gov. can say he didn't do it....

Gregoire is apiece of work....she brokered that big tobacco deal, and then instead of leaving the money as it was intended to parse it out over many years, the state grabbed the entire amt and used it up immediately....

and of course our state has had all these budget woes, what with the govt unions running the state and all...

21 posted on 11/27/2012 1:04:12 AM PST by cherry
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To: Gertie
then cut the taxes on main street businesses....most people would rather go to a store, look, touch, and inspect an item before buying anyway....

so just cut the taxes period...

22 posted on 11/27/2012 1:06:29 AM PST by cherry
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To: Gertie

>She is absolutely right, tax free on line sales are “killing” main street business in the USA. It is an unfair situation. The only people gaining are UPS and FedX.

And the customers that don’t have to pay the tax are not gaining?

Why would any sane person even consider giving government more money to waste on the lazy and welfare crowd?


23 posted on 11/27/2012 5:38:46 AM PST by soycd
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To: tacticalogic
Yes, that's true, but you do pay sales tax to Sears, Penneys and a few others, the unfairness goes a lot deeper than what one thinks. I don't want to argue or disillusion you but of the few companies that do collect and remit sales tax to the states, there are litterally hundreds of companies that don't. It amounts to many many lost dollars for state coffers and local retailers. The lady is right, please research it a little deeper, thanks.
24 posted on 11/27/2012 7:27:59 AM PST by Gertie
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To: soycd

Look at it this way, less local jobs, less local school money, less local infrastructure money, fewer local businesses and government is who “we” elect. The “I got mine, now you get yours” attitude is cute, but it won’t pay the bills very long.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 7:49:23 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie
Ostensibly, the sales tax you pay when you shop at the local "brick and mortar" store is justified by the government providing services and infrastructure that facilitates that transaction.

To hear the politicians tell it, the money is being used to support the local businesses. The local businesses would prefer that you buy from them and not do your shopping on the internet. By making local sales taxes apply to those out-of-state internet sales, you are forcing the internet retailer to absorb the cost of collecting and sending those tax monies to the state, where they will be spent to benefit brick and mortar stores that are the direct competitors of the internet retailer, and will put them out of business if they can. How is that fair?

26 posted on 11/27/2012 7:50:27 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PhiloBedo

No, No, No, she is right, if the states don’t do it, the Feds will, then you do have a problem, please look at this a little more and help this Lady if you can. I am not a Lib, but I agree with her, thanks.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 7:54:11 AM PST by Gertie
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To: lodi90

You are right, but not if the state gets it first. Please help this Lady, she is right. Thanks


28 posted on 11/27/2012 7:56:52 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie
Yes, that's true, but you do pay sales tax to Sears, Penneys and a few others, the unfairness goes a lot deeper than what one thinks.

That is because they have physical presence in the state.

The lady is right, please research it a little deeper, thanks.

No, the lady is wrong - and I have done my research. Why should a retailer located in, say, Delaware which has no sales tax and no physical presence in Washington have to worry about collecting Washington sales tax? Why do you wish to put undue burdens on small businesses? And why do you wish to force more taxes on your fellow freepers?

29 posted on 11/27/2012 8:01:18 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Valpal1

Don’t you charge sales tax?


30 posted on 11/27/2012 8:01:51 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie

What tripe.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 8:03:44 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: entropy12

Shipping charges are your excuse —= they do not pay city bills or infrastructure costs. Please come out of the shallows and get some depth in your thinking, you are wrong, this Lady is right, please help her while you can, thanks.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 8:08:27 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie

Please explain to me why, as a resident of Virginia, I should pay ales tax to an business in Washington? I am already obligated to pay Virginia sales/use tax on my purchase and you wish to double tax me now?

I am under now obligation in any way shape or form to pay for the misguided spending habits of your government.

And BTW - Gregoire is NO lady.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 8:18:45 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gertie

Hello.........there is huge UPS depot and a pretty good size Fedex office in my town. I have a feeling they are not exempt from any city taxes. And they employ hundreds of people.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 9:37:31 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Gertie

Nope, I live in Oregon, which has no sales tax. Even if I lived in WA, I would only collect sales tax from in state buyers, which is how it should be.

Gregoire wants to tax the freaking world for being stupid enough to buy from a WA based seller. This will not increase revenue for WA, it will merely make it harder for WA businesses to compete on price and attract customers.

She is a greedy fool that thinks wealth comes from the Fed printing press and that businesses can be endlessly squeezed for more revenue juice.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 10:21:33 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: cherry
Lets get on the same page. If a given state has a sales tax, then that % of sales tax should be added to any taxable sale made in that state regardless of where the item comes from. Those states without a sales tax have other means of collecting those monies, higher license fees, higher property taxes, higher utility rates and other means of acquisitions.
36 posted on 11/27/2012 5:03:41 PM PST by Gertie
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yeah well if the “Teamsters” had any real concern about people they would insist that state taxes be paid on the items they deliver. Look at their track record, when and where have they ever done anything out of the goodness of humanity?


37 posted on 11/27/2012 5:17:49 PM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie
She is absolutely right, tax free on line sales are “killing” main street business in the USA. It is an unfair situation. The only people gaining are UPS and FedX.

Fine. An excellent lesson in free market economics for the idiots who keep electing these idiots.

38 posted on 11/27/2012 5:20:40 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: GraceG
Yeah, while you are sinking everything else. As long as you are going to cheat, might as well haul meth and weed too.
39 posted on 11/27/2012 5:22:01 PM PST by Gertie
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To: PhiloBedo

Name one...shes just attempting to level the field.


40 posted on 11/27/2012 5:25:43 PM PST by Gertie
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To: dila813

What higher tax rate?


41 posted on 11/27/2012 5:28:13 PM PST by Gertie
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To: Gabz
If you live in Virginia, you pay Virginia sales tax, not Washington, people in Washinton pay Washington sales tax, get it?
42 posted on 11/27/2012 5:36:26 PM PST by Gertie
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To: entropy12
"When I buy on-line, I pay more in shipping charges than I would pay sales tax on MOST items under $200 (which are majority of items sold on-line) if I walked into a brick & mortar store locally."

"I like on-line for the convenience. It saves me time, and I do not have to fight crazed shoppers looking for bargains."

One MAJOR problem with going physically to a "brick and mortar" store is the almost inevitable certainly that they will NOT stock the specific item I want, thereby forcing me into the shopping equivalent of "telephone tag"....driving to other nearby similar stores to see if THEY have what I want. When you total up the amount spent on gas for all that driving around, it FAR outweighs the sales tax cost.

BUT, if I shop online, I can almost always find EXACTLY what I'm looking for (and frequently, something better), investing electrons instead of gasoline, and, as you say, avoid the crowds and insanity.

So, online shopping will more than likely STILL be a better deal, EVEN IF sales tax is added on.

43 posted on 11/27/2012 6:26:40 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

You have a great point. There are items which one simply can not find in a brick & Mortar store. For example I have a old vacuum cleaner and I needed replacement filter for it. Wal-Mart did not have it, neither did Target. But I found it on eBay! My wife’s keyboard letters were worn out and hard to read. I found the exact remedy on eBay for $1.35 shipping included, a packet of stick on stickers. Now she can see the keys in semi-darkness!


44 posted on 11/27/2012 7:15:02 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Gertie

What you refuse to get is that as a Virginia business I colect sales tax ONLY on Virginia sales. What your “lady” Gregoire wants is for me to collect her state sales tax when some one in Washington buys from me. This adds extra cost and burden to my doing business and I get absolutely no benefit from it..

This woman has a screw loose and that you think she is right absolutely stuns me.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 6:17:22 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: PhiloBedo

A Democrat governor pushing another tax is NEWS?!!!


46 posted on 11/28/2012 6:24:46 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Gator113
“Fun”..so is stealing, being in the country illegally, having a mistress, cheating on your husband, lying and on and on.
47 posted on 11/28/2012 7:36:00 AM PST by Gertie
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To: entropy12

And I bet you think you are worth the few cents you are cheating the State of Washington out of, I hope you hit a “Pothole” the size of your ego and it busts your tire.


48 posted on 11/28/2012 7:40:47 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gabz
I hope this isn't to hard for you to figure out, “BECAUSE THE SALE IS BEING MADE IN WASHINGTON TO A WASHINTON RESIDENT’.
49 posted on 11/28/2012 7:54:03 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie

Cyber Friday....one billion in online sales. I know I like to buy online because I can avoid sale tax, in most cases.


50 posted on 11/28/2012 7:54:08 AM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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