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Hollywood’s Casual Anti-Semitism
FrontPage Magazine ^ | November 27, 2012 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 11/27/2012 5:06:42 AM PST by SJackson

Several years ago, I interviewed noted producer Leonard Goldberg for my book on liberalism in television, Primetime Propaganda. Goldberg, noting my Jewish surname, asked me why I thought so many Jews in Hollywood didn’t care about Israel. He said he was shocked by the lack of pro-Israel Jews in town.

My answer was simple: most Jews in Hollywood aren’t religious, feel no connection with the Torah, and have no interest in the State of Israel. In fact, they feel that they can gain credibility by bashing the State of Israel, demonstrating that they are world citizens rather than parochial tribalists. Nowhere is that truer than in the Center of Smugness, Hollywood.

No wonder during the consistent rocket attacks on Israel from the terrorist group Hamas, Jewish Hollywood has been absolutely silent. Where’s Barbra Streisand, who assured American Jews that President Obama stood “strongly with our ally Israel and in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons”? Nowhere to be found. How about vulgarian Sarah Silverman, who has a sister living in Israel? She says nothing about Gaza, but tweets encouragement to wild leftist pacifists Meretz and the Green Movement for Knesset. As for Steven Spielberg, who spent millions of dollars on the anti-Israel tripe by Tony Kushner, Munich, he has nothing to say while Israelis are murdered by rockets fired by the world’s leading anti-Semites.

Worse, none of them have anything to say when fellow Hollywoodniks repeat the worst anti-Semitic slurs with regard to the State of Israel. This week, double-digit IQ former actress and current co-host of The View Whoopi Goldberg retweeted the myth that “men, women & children in Gaza, Palestine have been getting Massacred for the past week.” That’s a blatant lie, and it’s the same anti-Semitic lie that Hamas and its Jew-hating sympathizers in the Muslim world parrot each time Israel defends itself. In point of fact, no country takes greater precautions against civilian casualties than Israel, which is why Hamas and the Palestinian Authority routinely place terrorist centers in civilian areas.

So where were the Jews when Whoopi retweeted that? Nowhere to be found. Or busily helping Whoopi argue that all attacks on incompetent liar UN Ambassador Susan Rice were motivated by racism and sexism.

But all three of these Hollywood Jews will, no doubt, claim pride in their Jewish heritage. What makes them proud to be Jewish? Certainly not marriage. Certainly not belief in the Torah. Certainly not Israel. Bagels and lox. Vague notions about “social justice” derived more from Karl Marx than from Jewish principles. The Holocaust.

The Holocaust has taken such a central place in Jewish Hollywood not because Hollywood Jews understand it – to the extent they think about, they suggest that it’s just an outgrowth of religious hatred rather than militant secular fascism – but because the Holocaust allows them to grab hold of the brass ring of victimology. Sure, they aren’t black or gay. But at least they aren’t white, either! They’re members of a people who have been historically victimized!

But that leaves one question: Israel is currently victimized. Anti-Semitism on a global scale remains a far greater problem than racism. Europe is increasingly anti-Semitic. The Muslim world makes clear that it would celebrate a second Holocaust. Minority leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been spewing anti-Semitic canards for years, cheered on by Hollywood Jews. What gives?

The answer is simple: Hollywood Jews aren’t interested in just being victims. They’re interested in being victims of white Christians. That’s the reason why Steven Spielberg will happily produce Schinder’s List, which depicts Jews at the hands of white Germans, then turn around and produce Munich, which shows Jews being murdered by Arab terrorists, but justifies Arab terrorism. That’s why if you ask most Hollywood Jews, they’ll suggest that the biggest problem for Jews is the American Christian community – the greatest friend the Jewish people have ever had – and that the Muslim community is just misunderstood. Hollywood Jews are more interested in solidarity with other perceived minorities than they are in preserving Jewish lives or a Jewish future.

Goldberg was right. Hollywood Jews have abdicated their Jewish identity, and in the process, they’ve abandoned Israel. They’re shamefully smug, self-righteous empty vessels who claim the mantle of Judaism only so they can glorify themselves.


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1 posted on 11/27/2012 5:06:46 AM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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2 posted on 11/27/2012 5:10:29 AM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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3 posted on 11/27/2012 5:11:12 AM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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4 posted on 11/27/2012 5:13:34 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: SJackson

Ben Shapiro absolutely nails it.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 5:35:30 AM PST by Obadiah (It pays to be a Democrat.)
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To: SJackson; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Hollywood Jews are among those who have self-converted to another religion. This “religion” has its own “holy books”, rituals, dogmas and closely held beliefs.
It is known as LIBERALISM.
Its basic tenet is a deeply held hatred of anything and anyone who it disagrees with.
It’s High Holy Days are observed by protesting the Holy Days of those it loathes.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 5:35:42 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: justiceseeker93; Perdogg

Ping


7 posted on 11/27/2012 5:39:38 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: SJackson

Is this new?

What were American Jews doing to help their kin in Europe during WWII?

Not a rhetorical question.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 5:45:47 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: SJackson; mickie; oswegodeee; flaglady47; ExTexasRedhead
I well remember the "Bonds for Israel" drives in the '50s....designed to help the fledgling state of Israel survive.

The drives were led by Israeli leaders like David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir. It seems that all of Hollywood, Jews and Christians alike, rallied around to lend its support to the imperative cause.

Moguls like Sam Goldwyn, the Warner brothers, Selznik, etc., raised vast sums of money for the struggling new nation. $52.6 million was raised the first year alone, a tremendous amount in the dollars of the fifties.

Many film celebrities staged fund-raising events in New York and throughout the nation. These events were reported regularly and with much fanfare in the media of the day.

Today, the perils and uncertain future of the beleaguered Israeli state scarcely raises a "ho-hum" from the well-heeled in the Hollywood/LA entertainment complex. Israel still sells bonds but it's barely noticed. Today, a "fund drive" organized and participated in by the Jewish entertainment industry would undoubtedly never even get off the ground or it would be laughed off the stage.

Today's movie moguls and stars of Jewish heritage should be asking themselves, "What price fame and glory if you lose your soul?"......but, then, it appears most of them have long ago discarded their religion, heritage, traditions and roots for a mess of pottage.

Leni

9 posted on 11/27/2012 6:15:57 AM PST by MinuteGal (Please Restore Former Format on FR "Latest Posts" Page ASAP !)
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To: School of Rational Thought; Eleutheria5
What were American Jews doing to help their kin in Europe during WWII?

Not much -- as noted by Szpilman.

10 posted on 11/27/2012 6:57:55 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SJackson

I am pretty sure that Whoopi Goldberg is NOT her birth name.

She made that name up.


11 posted on 11/27/2012 8:17:51 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Whooopi Goldberg was born Caryn Elaine Johnson. She adopted the traditionally German/Jewish surname Goldberg as a stage name because her mother felt the original surname of Johnson was not “Jewish enough” to make her a star.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 9:09:19 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: School of Rational Thought

“What were American Jews doing to help their kin in Europe during WWII?”

In the run up to war some wealthy American jews saw the writing on the wall and tried to sponsor German Jews out of NAZI Germany. The Roosevelt administration paid lip service on behalf of European jews, but did not open up immigration like many American jews wanted.

I used to know a German woman who, as a girl, spent a year on a train in revolutionary Spain trying to secure a visa. She was sponsored by wealthy American Jews. She was repatriated back to Germany and then put on a ship with fake nursing credentials and sent to the Phillipines just in time for the Japanese invasion. She spent the war in a Japanese prison camp (ironic, I know) as a fake nurse, but lived to marry an American and come to the US. Her entire family was murdered in the camps. She had no living relatives.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 9:43:30 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: MinuteGal
I well remember the "Bonds for Israel" drives in the '50s....designed to help the fledgling state of Israel survive. The drives were led by Israeli leaders like David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir. It seems that all of Hollywood, Jews and Christians alike, rallied around to lend its support to the imperative cause.

In the 1950s, the Soviets saw Israel as a potential 'friend.'

The Soviets changed their mind in the 60s and began working overtly and covertly to undermine and destroy Israel.

It was the Soviet KGB that created Yassar Arafat and the PLO. The Hollywood left simply followed the KGB dog whistle as they always have done.

Most of the crap they preach about Israel, "The Palastinians" and the entire Mideast even today, is nothing but rehashed KGB propaganda from the 60s and 70s.

14 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:54 AM PST by Ditto
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To: SJackson
Another excellent article, though Shapiro's theory of the centrality of the Holocaust to liberal Hollywood Jews doesn't go far enough.

I'm actually old enough to remember when liberal Hollywood Jews really were pro-Israel (often implying that if you weren't liberal you couldn't be pro-Israel). Remember all the pro-Israel made-for-TV movies there used to be? Now they're all gone, sunk in an Orwellian memory hole because the "party line" changed.

While liberals and some conservatives have flip-flopped on the issue, only Biblical Fundamentalists have been consistently pro-Israel in all circumstances.

15 posted on 11/27/2012 2:43:13 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Ditto
In the 1950s, the Soviets saw Israel as a potential 'friend.'

That was actually the late '40's. Before Stalin died the Communists were already executing "Zionists" and "Israeli spies," and they were supporting Arab Communists like Nasser very early on.

16 posted on 11/27/2012 2:48:03 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Realistically there wasn’t much they could do during the war other than serve the US. In the 30s many Jews helped, as did many Christians, but a minority. The status of Jews in Germany really a well known issue, or an issue of much concern to the media. Or our or any western governments.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 5:12:33 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: School of Rational Thought
What were American Jews doing to help their kin in Europe during WWII?

They could join the US Military, which some did. By the time war came, though, there was little anyone could do from outside Germany. Of course there was no Israel then either, to rally around.

18 posted on 11/27/2012 6:31:52 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ditto
well, the Jewish relationship with the Bolsheviks and one has to pick one's words carefully.

Jews in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (1389-1793) were pretty much governing themselves and lived in peace -- in the late 1700s they comprised nearly 80% of world Jewry. The Hebrew joke was for 'polonia' (Poland in Latin) to be read as poh-lan-ya (God rests here). In the words osponsa No. 73 of the great Kraków rabbi Moses Isserles 'Remuh' (1510-72): "It is better to live on dry bread, but in peace, in Poland."

I actually have a point :) -- after the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was torn apart by Russia, Prussia and Austria, the majority of the Jews were in the Russian partition with the second-largest in the Austrian

The Russians had no significant Jewish population before this and the sudden, large, prosperous community which governed itself was a shock to them

They didn't know what to do, so Tsarina Catherine the Great kept them restricted to the Pale of Settlement, which corresponded exactly to the P-L commonwealth parts gobbled up by Russia

The Jews there were subjected to pogroms, second class citizenship treatment etc. and the May laws whereby their remaining rights were taken away from them was the last straw

Add this to the other factor in the 1800s -- the rise of nationalism and Jewish nationalism was at odds with not only the strong national identities of the Russians, Poles and Saxon Germans who lived in that area, but also with the Ukrainian, Belarussian and Lithuanian identities that were developing.

Jews didn't have the option they had in the pre 1850 days of governing themselves, being a nation in a nation, they had to assimilate or else retreat further into their tradition, which in the case of the Litvaks and divergently, the Chassids, they did

The Jews also participated in the Polish uprisings against the Russians, but these 3 failed and the Jews like the Poles started to introspect and look for other options politically -- some went to Zionism, some retreated into Jewish tradition, some assimilated into the German, Polish and Russian societies, converting or maybe not and some rejected religion utterly and went into the streams of socialism

Communism with its themes of equality for all had an attraction for a persecuted people -- an understandable one.

Among the Bolsheviks 5 of the 23 leaders of the Bolshevik party from 1917 to 1934 were of Jewish origin and those of Jewish origin comprised nearly 15% of the party before 1934.

I repeat Jewish origin - they were not practising, no more than Stalin or Mikoyan or others.

Trotsky was the leading example of this -- and in many ways Trotsky was the one who saved the Bolsheviks from annihilation. The Bolsheviks during the great war had infiltrated the Imperial Army and sown discontent against the officers. many russian soldiers (all conscripts) were sick of the hell they faced and turned on their officers. This was very successful and led to March 1917.

But the problem then was -- how to create a "Red Army" without officers? Trotsky solved this problem by reinstating the officers, and to ensure that they did not jump to the White Army immediately, he put a political commisar to watch over them

Also, they were given different names rather than Captain etc. -- things like GlavKom etc (short forms of Glawny Kommander etc)

Anyway, so Trotsky now controlled the Army and he was the face of Bolshevism after Lenin -- and this was widely used by those who believed the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to say see look, the Jews are trying to take over the world

Many in the West -- not just Germany, but also the US, UK etc. fell for this and believed it, equating Judaism with Bolshevism.

Remember this -- it was not only Trotsky but also Marx was of Jewish origin (but his father had converted to Lutheranism before and Karl was an athiest) as was the hungarian Soviet leader (yes, there was a short lived Soviet state in Hungary in 1919-1920) who was partly of Jewish origin

This was enough to demonise the Jews as Bolsheviks -- it was exacerbated during the Polish-Soviet war of 1920 and the White Russian- Red Russian wars when the Pale of Settlement was where much of the battles occured and where Jews were sometimes swept up to forcibly join the Red army

But then in the 1920s, Stalin forcibly came to power, killing off his enemies after Lenin died. Trotsky was his main rival, so Trotsky had to die. This was the seeds of the Communist distrust of Judaism. This went further with Stalin's purges when Kamenev etc were killed

But under Stalin the party continued to be overly weighted in favor of non-Russians, not only those of Jewish origin, but also Georgians like Stalin or Armenians or even Poles like Dzierzhinsky and Radek.

When Stalin fell, the flood-gates lifted and Khrushchv denounced Stalinism in his "Secret speech" -- and the anti-Jewish nature came to fore

This is incredible from a historians point of view -- Jews who were demonised by the West as being Bolshevik sympathisers were demonised by the Soviets as being US-agents, Rotschild agents etc.

There is no long lasting communist anti-Judaism imho,

19 posted on 11/28/2012 2:12:19 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
"well, the Jewish relationship with the Bolsheviks and one has to pick one's words carefully."

Yeah, you certainly wouldn't want to sound like you are repeating NAZI BULLSH*T.

"The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests and/or that all Jews were communists.[3] According to Hannah Arendt, it was "the most efficient fiction of Nazi Propaganda".[4] In Poland before World War II, Żydokomuna was used in the same way to allege that the Jews were conspiring with the USSR to capture Poland. According to André Gerrits, "The myth of Jewish Communism was one of the most popular and widespread political prejudices in the first half of the 20th century, in Eastern Europe in particular."[5] The allegation continues to be used in antisemitic publications and websites today"
"On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews.[9][15"

LESS THAN FOUR F*CKING %.

"Remember this -- it was not only Trotsky but also Marx was of Jewish origin (but his father had converted to Lutheranism before

BEFORE KARL MARX WAS EVEN BORN, you _+_____I)(Y(&T(T&!

"[Marx] was an athiest)" (sic)

MARX WAS A FAMOUS AND DRABID ANTI-SEMITE...

"This was enough to demonise the Jews as Bolsheviks"

Yeah we wouldn't want to do that too much on FR by talking about how OTHERS LIED AND DID IT, would we.

WTH is the matter with you Cronos?

20 posted on 11/28/2012 2:35:29 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Cronos
well, the Jewish relationship with the Bolsheviks and one has to pick one's words carefully.

My comment had nothing to do with 'Jews' relationship with the 'Bolsheviks' or Jews being Communists. That is obviously not the case in America.

But it had everything to do with the Hard Left in America -- and no, not the FDR New Deal liberals which is where many Jews gravitated. FDR was not a Commie and neither were most people who thought (mistakenly) that he was right, and still think so.

The hard left hated the FDR liberal types even before FDR and set out to destroy them, and they have pretty much succeeded in that effort over the last 30 or so years.

The old John L. Lewis type union leaders who really did care about the workers have been replaced by Hard Left ideologues like John Sweeney and Rich Trumpka who don't give a damn if every factory or coal mine in the country shuts down and puts those same workers on the street as long as it furthers their leftist agenda to destroy capitalism. The Left ain't the same as 'Liberals.'

Conservatives and Liberals could agree on things and find a way through disagreements. Conservatives and Leftists can never agree, and the problem we have today is there are really no Liberals anymore. The hard left owns the Democrat party, lock, stock and barrel.

From Walter Duranty in the 1920s, though Alger Hiss in the 40s and 50s, Jane Fonda and Bill Ayres in the 60s, to their current crop lead by Barak Obama, the leadership has never been Jews. None of the prominent hard left leaders in the US have been Jews.

There have been operatives like the Rosenbergs or Alinskies, but the bulk of the movement has always been strictly non-demoninational and mostly non-Jews.

For the hard left, their only religion and heritage is Marx. Nothing else matters for them. They don't compromise.

21 posted on 11/28/2012 7:44:27 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Yehuda
Firstly, it's not Nazi bullshit. As I said -- this was an incorrect linkage used to link Judaism and communism

A myth is correct

how others lied and did it -- what do you think "This was enough to demonise the Jews as Bolsheviks"

If you read my post, I point out how this is a false linkage -- now you using bad language and shouting it down serves no purpose

I see the post as educating people to be able to contradict any statement equating the two -- if someone does not know the history but is pointed out just Trotsky, Bela Kuhn, Trotsky, Kamenev, they will fall into the same mistake of believing the two groups to be equal -- people must know the (wrong) basis for these rumours

The myth of Judeo-Bolshevism should be known for what it is -- a myth -- and more importantly, the reasons for this should be told and debunked. And that is what my post does imho

22 posted on 11/28/2012 10:22:40 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda
Secondly, if you read through my post, you'll see words like "The Jews there were subjected to pogroms, second class citizenship treatment etc. and the May laws whereby their remaining rights were taken away from them was the last straw with "Communism with its themes of equality for all had an attraction for a persecuted people -- an understandable one." and I repeat Jewish origin - they were not practising, no more than Stalin or Mikoyan or others. and what exactly do you read in Marx was of Jewish origin (but his father had converted to Lutheranism before and Karl was an athiest) ? I point out three things: Marx may have been of Jewish origin, but his father had converted before his birth and Marx was an athiest

You honestly believe most people know about those last two things? Even most FR folks? forget about lurkers?

We MUST educate people on the "justifications" given and then debunk them.

You think the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism is not mouthed by different anti-Semites? Mouthed and used to convince those who don't read or haven't read.

you and I have a mission of distilling the centuries of history and pointing out the error of equating the two

23 posted on 11/28/2012 10:28:46 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda
Finally -- as I pointed out But under Stalin the party continued to be overly weighted in favor of non-Russians, not only those of Jewish origin, but also Georgians like Stalin or Armenians or even Poles like Dzierzhinsky and Radek. -- some anti-communist Russians even use this to wash off all blame. And, look at the background I give for why Jews got secularised in Russia, even rejecting their religion and why communism was attractive to them and to other Russian minorities

finally, I end with This is incredible from a historians point of view -- Jews who were demonised by the West as being Bolshevik sympathisers were demonised by the Soviets as being US-agents, Rotschild agents etc. -- this MUST be pointed out that Jews are accused of being pro-communist by anti-communists and being pro-capitalists by anti-capitalists. The truth is neither, individual Jews are individuals, even those of Jewish origin and we cannot, as I've said before, judge a collective by the actions of individuals

24 posted on 11/28/2012 10:32:24 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda
As I point out above, Jews in the Pale in the late 1800s had only 5 options (I forgot the last):
  1. Assimilate -- become German or Polish or Russian
  2. Assimilate -- reject religion and tradition and join those of Christian origin who did the same and become communist
  3. Retreat into the old ways which worked before the partitions: Hassidic, Litvak etc. movements
  4. Zionism - come to the conclusion that with the rise of nationalism in the adjoining areas, Jews needed a homeland -- and that was Israel
  5. Migrate to the USA

Which would you choose? Most chose the 3rd option because it had worked for centuries

i would have chosen that or the first, but -- those who chose the 2nd, that would also be a logical way to move out of the ghettos and the shtetls

"WTH is the matter" -- if you remember closely, I was arguing on your side in a recent post after the elections where some FR folks were saying all jews are democrats -- this is the same insidious statement as the j-c linkage and must be vigorously combatted -- for those who weren't on that thread, I repeat here "just because 69% voted one way is not sufficient to label an entire community. AND, more importantly, the ones reading this on FR will be FR conservatives of Jewish origin -- not the target group" -- we MUST vigourously fight against anyone who uses that equation as well.

I believe that the logic of conservatism transcends boundaries and there is no reason to reject individuals of a particular religious group or ethnic group or even racial group as destined to being a dim/communist

We are seeing the same thing played out to a lesser extent here -- where Jews are slowly being targetted by the policies of the Democrat party and where we even see some conservatives as blaming all for the sins of those who voted D --> we must vigorously combat BOTH.

And, note: as a Catholic, I see the same thing happening to Catholics.

People must know the history behind things and be shown how the lies like the protocols etc are insidious lies

25 posted on 11/28/2012 11:25:28 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Ditto
Conservatives and Liberals could agree on things and find a way through disagreements. Conservatives and Leftists can never agree, and the problem we have today is there are really no Liberals anymore. The hard left owns the Democrat party, lock, stock and barrel.

Yes, Liberals and Hard-leftists are different. I look at Liberals as being Victorian -- these were the folks who fought against child labor, 80 hour weeks etc., but I see their purpose as being spent

26 posted on 11/28/2012 11:31:34 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Fine, then you won’t mind when I have a few extra minutes I’ll write up a post on how not all the Poles were vicious, Jew-killing anti-semites, only some of them,

Jedwabne... szmalcownicy...

that not all of the polish underground refused to aid in the Warsaw uprising, only most of them, and I’ll be sure and give the historical reasons why nearly 1 million Poles joined the Nazi party (german origin, no doubt, blood will out, right? Thats why you STILL defend your calling Marx a Jew even though HIS FATHER CONVERTED OUT BEFORE HE WAS BORN AND MARX WROTE ANTI_JEWISH SCREEDS FOR YEARS )

Lets not forget the Poles who joined the communist party.

Not all of them, of course, and we can give many historical reasons for this, and people shouldn’t think we are discussing how the Poles were ant-semites, then nazis, then communists.... again, NOT ALL OF THEM, just some of them...


27 posted on 11/29/2012 9:43:31 AM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Cronos
I look at Liberals as being Victorian -- these were the folks who fought against child labor, 80 hour weeks etc., but I see their purpose as being spent.

I see it a little differently. In my memory, back in the 1950s, 60s and even early 70s both liberals and conservatives had the same, or very similar objectives, and they fought in congress on how to achieve those objectives, and eventually reached a compromise. It was purly politics back then. Everyone could give and take.

When the hard leftists infiltrated the Democrat party, in the 70s, compromise on a common objectives became mush more difficult.

Today, with the hard left owning the Democrat party lock, stock and barrel, their are no common objectives with Republicans and no opportunity to compromise. Every issue is a core issue. It is always a cage match.

Think the 1850's when the sides became so welded in positions. That didn't turn out so well.

How can you compromise on core principles? That can't happen. Something has to give, and Obama is forcing it, not trying to find a way around it.

28 posted on 11/30/2012 7:11:06 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

you have good points. Do you think real liberalism has served its purpose now?


29 posted on 12/02/2012 9:31:10 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda
true, you are correct. There were Polish anti-semites, Polish communists -- as I pointed out, the strange thing is that the early Bolsheviks had minorities in larger % than their percentage in the Russian population (and there was a historical reason as I stated above)

And what you have given is the exact similar comparison -- we can even extend that to Americans and Brits --> there were anti-semites during the 30s and even the 40s. I don't know the %, but these would have been I'd guess 5% to 10%

BUT, these were not defining numbers and they CANNOT define the majority

Just because of a Jedwabne or a Charles Lindbergh or a Henry Ford or a Trotsky or a King Edward VIII one cannot condemn the majority

Those who have been told and/or believe the false myth of Judeao-Bolshevism should be pointed this out -- it is a myth

The bogey of the J and B linkage has been pandered not just in the 20s and 30s but even today in the Arab world and even in the west. We need to combat the propaganda with the truth -- show the complete picture

As you have pointed out , and people shouldn’t think we are discussing how the Poles were ant-semites, then nazis, then communists -- so many of our fellow freepers believe this, just as many may believe the myth of J-Bolshevism --> because people are told one side of the story.

We combat propaganda with education.

30 posted on 12/02/2012 9:51:34 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Do you think real liberalism has served its purpose now?

It probably has. All the social programs they ever wanted have long since been implemented -- many of them with disasterous 'unintended consequences.'

31 posted on 12/03/2012 6:47:07 AM PST by Ditto
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