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Obama to bypass congress to ban semiautomatic firearms
themoralliberal.com ^ | 26 November, 2012 | JIM KOURI

Posted on 11/27/2012 7:00:14 AM PST by marktwain

An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis, gun law expert John M. Snyder warned on Friday.

“According to confidential information,” he said, “forces linked with the administration suggest the government classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Americans familiar with federal gun laws understand that under this scenario, semiautomatics and high capacity magazines could be acquired only with great difficulty and at great expense by America’s estimated 100 million law-abiding firearms owners, notes Snyder.

According to Snyder and other gun ownership advocates, the Obama administration long ago realized it would have insurmountable difficulty getting a semiautomatic gun ban, such as that considered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and others, passed Congress, especially when the House is controlled by defenders of the Second Amendment.

Congressional Second Amendment supporters already are preparing for such a battle. During the Clinton years, Congress enacted a partial, temporary semiautomatic ban but allowed it to sunset after 10 years because of its lack of significant negative impact on crime, according to surveys conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police.

The Obama administration, now safely reelected, may order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to take the classification step. Some gun-grabbers view the designation of Street Sweeper shotguns as Title 2 firearms during the Clinton administration as precedent for such a move.

For several years, various groups and individuals have discussed the anti-gun owner proclivities of the current administration. Obama anti-gun owner activities have involved the promulgation of anti-gun federal regulations, the appointment of anti-gun judges to the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, and the appointment of anti-gun personnel to other high federal positions, including the appointment of an attorney general of the United States who is suspected by many observers of playing politics with the nation’s law enforcement community.

“It’s been under this attorney generalship that the infamous Fast and Furious federal gun running scandal involving ATF has occurred,” Snyder stated. “The administration may feel that a replacement in that office could facilitate a ratcheting-up of its anti-gun activities with announcement and inauguration of the proposed semiautomatic classification/ban.”

“Such a move surely would galvanize the law-abiding grass roots gun-owning American public into opposition as it never has before. At the very least, it would lead to an action in the U.S. House of Representatives to defund if not eliminate entirely the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. To what it would lead at the very most is anyone’s guess,” warns Snyder.

A former NRA editor and director of national gun rights organizations, Snyder has been defending the individual Second Amendment civil right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms for over 46 years. He’s been called the senior rights activist in Washington by Shotgun News. He also serves on the advisory board of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.

The Moral Liberal Contributing Editor, Jim Kouri, CPP, is the fifth Vice President and Public Information Officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, has served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. Contact Jim.


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KEYWORDS: 112th; assault; ban; banglist; batf; bho44; bhobanglist; obama
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This is a possible scenario, with the Senate controlled by Democrats, there is little hope that the Congress could reverse such an executive order.
1 posted on 11/27/2012 7:00:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

He is lawless. He wouldn’t think twice about bypassing Congress on any law, especially on the left’s pet “anti-selfdefense” stance.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 7:03:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain
An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis

I doubt that. It'll lead to a lot of talking, though.

3 posted on 11/27/2012 7:04:02 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: marktwain

If our side continues to sit on their hands when Obama bypasses Congress, I am out of the party. They were afraid to change the topic from the economy before the election...which I understand, but it backfired. Now it is time to address the overreach. No election any time soon. The average voter never hears of this stuff, and our side never objects. That ends just as we saw it November 6th.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 7:04:21 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: marktwain

As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 7:05:11 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: marktwain

Who does he think he is - a muslim egyptian dictator???...../s


6 posted on 11/27/2012 7:05:51 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: MrB
It may just about be time to water the tree of liberty again.

CC

7 posted on 11/27/2012 7:06:35 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (The government that robs Peter to pay paul can always count on the support of paul)
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To: marktwain

Benghazi-Coward Obama Impeachment File.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 7:06:57 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: rarestia
As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.

Yeah...funny thing.. I've been thinking that same thing about Obamacare since January 2011.

9 posted on 11/27/2012 7:07:19 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: marktwain
A former NRA editor and director of national gun rights organizations, Snyder has been defending the individual Second Amendment civil right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms for over 46 years.

I wonder where this fellow's head was at when his NRA was feeding campaign money (from NRA dues) to some of the very same stinking Democrat senators who now control the Senate?
I don't care what their "grade" is - NRA must send NO MONEY to Democrats!

10 posted on 11/27/2012 7:07:24 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: marktwain

Not going to happen before 2014. Dems think they can take the retake House and won’t go bat crazy before that. After that look out.


11 posted on 11/27/2012 7:08:38 AM PST by lodi90
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To: marktwain

Too late, that horse is already out of the barn, too many out there now and damn few going to just happily hand em over.

Time for the COME AND TAKE IT flag to fly.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 7:09:23 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: ilgipper

I have all ready left the Grand Old Party.

I don’t think even the Chosen One has the cajones to do this. Tax guns and ammo out the ying yang maybe but to do something like this I don’t think. But I have been wrong before.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 7:14:52 AM PST by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: X-spurt; All

14 posted on 11/27/2012 7:16:48 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: X-spurt

Most people I know have already started caching.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 7:17:05 AM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: marktwain

Second amendment bump for later.......


16 posted on 11/27/2012 7:17:26 AM PST by indthkr
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To: ScottinVA
An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis I doubt that. It'll lead to a lot of talking, though.

The problem is our side is leaderless. When and if this is attempted we will need a national and respected leader to encourage civil disobedience as was done during the civil rights movement. I hope I am wrong but I see this in our future.

17 posted on 11/27/2012 7:21:41 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: marktwain

Why do you think that the DHS ordered so many hollowpoint bullets? They fully intend to use them on human targets. I have feeling that I will be one of the targets.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 7:22:39 AM PST by sport
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To: marktwain
Moral Liberal...

If that's not an oxymoron, I don't know what is...

19 posted on 11/27/2012 7:23:40 AM PST by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: marktwain

I think it is time to lower the Gadsden Flag. Why? It has become apparent to me, that any and all laws pertaining to Americans, identify the man in the street, as the homegrown terrorist. Therefore, it is time to embrace being called ‘terrorists’, but with a slight twist. Instead of the cowering, frightened peoples that Obama hopes to create, it is time to give him, and all his kind, a thumb in the eye, with a smile added to it.

RAISE THE JOLLY ROGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long Live The Republic!


20 posted on 11/27/2012 7:24:22 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: marktwain

I’m thinking this article is liberal claptrap. The author is a member of a rabid anti self defense organization. The dimocraps migh try some minor infringements, but they have seen what a political disaster messing with the second amendment is. Some of them will even want to keep thier corrupt little jobs after Obama is gone.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 7:24:28 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: marktwain

Why does Congress keep letting him get away with this sh&^&??


22 posted on 11/27/2012 7:24:48 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: rarestia
At the very least, it would lead to an action in the U.S. House of Representatives to defund if not eliminate entirely the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Why are we waiting?

23 posted on 11/27/2012 7:24:56 AM PST by alancarp (Liberals: making promises that no one's wallet can keep,)
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To: ScottinVA

“”””””As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.

Yeah...funny thing.. I’ve been thinking that same thing about Obamacare since January 2011. “”””””””””””

As if Crybaby Boner would do anything to stop hussein. How did that wuss become a leader of anything?


24 posted on 11/27/2012 7:24:56 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: marktwain

Once again, we will find out what we are made of. Will we stand as free men and women or will we tuck our tail between our legs and cower down? Time will tell.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 7:27:03 AM PST by sport
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To: grobdriver

Counter-productive.

The NRA is not an arm of the Republican Party, and must never become one.

The NRA is a single-issue advocacy/lobbying organization.
When a Democrat gets it right, they deserve to be recognized on THAT issue.

When an A-rated senator or congressman cannot gain an endorsement because of their party affiliation, the NRA will become pointless.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 7:28:52 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: grobdriver

Counter-productive.

The NRA is not an arm of the Republican Party, and must never become one.

The NRA is a single-issue advocacy/lobbying organization.
When a Democrat gets it right, they deserve to be recognized on THAT issue.

When an A-rated senator or congressman cannot gain an endorsement because of their party affiliation, the NRA will become pointless.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 7:29:01 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: alancarp

The problem, as I see it, is that they’d have to defund it through a spending, appropriations, or budget bill that would likely be amended by the Senate and/or vetoed by Obama.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 7:30:26 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: marktwain

With guns taken away our streets will be a lot safer. A.Hitler


29 posted on 11/27/2012 7:35:47 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: marktwain

Even the Commie Judges in the high court have to be able to read, “Shall not be Infringed.”.

I know of many people that will consider an act such as this as an act of war, and will proceed on that action.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 7:43:12 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: marktwain

They were able to classify the Street Sweeper as a Title 2 weapon as it had a bore over 1/2”. They just claimed it had no sporting purpose.

I cannot see how they could blanket reclassify semi-autos as NFA weapons, much less magazines. I could see them restricting importation, but that would not affect the guns manufactured here.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 7:47:54 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: grobdriver

They’re a single-issue group, not an arm of the Republican party. From the NRA’s point of view, now that the Dems hold the Senate, it’s exactly the time to give some money to pro-gun Democrats, in hopes that they might block some legislation for you, since the Republicans won’t be able to do that. Just hedging their bets.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 7:48:56 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: marktwain

So, are we going back to revolvers and bolt/lever action rifles?


33 posted on 11/27/2012 7:49:44 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Edgerunner

Libs come in at least two flavors. There’s the partisan hack, who could care less about moral arguments. They support the party because the party supports them. Think Chicago political mafia.

But there are also the lib moralists, who actually consider themselves the moral superiors of conservatives and other primitives. These are the people in your family who argue with you at holiday gatherings, trying to show you are not for equality in marriage, or the rights of a woman to control her own body, or the right of poor people to advanced healthcare and large screen tv’s, or the right of non-anglos to come here and get stuff, even if they have to break the law to do it.

As between the two, I’d almost rather make my case to the Chicago thugs, because they still operate under a principle of self-interest, and that’s something to start with. It’s the real reason the left is so anti-gun. It’s just hard to be dictator when the little folk can shoot back.

Whereas the moralists want to take my guns because they are trying to protect me from myself, primitive creature that I am. And there’s no talking them out of it, except by a miracle. That’s the program they’re running and that’s all there is to it. Even a bad person will withdraw from danger, but a fool rushes in, to everyone’s harm.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 7:52:25 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: marktwain

Nowhere in our Constitution or its 2nd amendment is there anything that discusses or enumerates the type of arms.

“A populace cannot rally against a bad government without free speech, and will fail without the right to bear arms to protect free speech.” - BuffaloJack


35 posted on 11/27/2012 7:53:56 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: angelcindy
Why does Congress keep letting him get away with this sh&^&??

Because they all have skeletons in their closets. Blackmailable.
36 posted on 11/27/2012 8:02:18 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: ScottinVA
I doubt that. It'll lead to a lot of talking, though.

And therein lies the problem - our side always talks while their side will mobilize and demonstrate/riot. Can't win a battle if you aren't willing to fight. As Randy Jackson says on American Idol - "You're in it to win it", and that really applies to the other side. We keep standing by our civilized "principles" even when said "principles" are killing us.

37 posted on 11/27/2012 8:03:24 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: marktwain

First they only wanted fully automatic weapons, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Next they only wanted “high capacity assauly weapons”, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Then they wanted semiautomatic pistols because of concern “for the children”, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Now they are breaking down my door to get my baseball bats, and there is no way to defend myself. I wish I had cared.


38 posted on 11/27/2012 8:22:10 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: marktwain

First they only wanted fully automatic weapons, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Next they only wanted “high capacity assault weapons”, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Then they wanted semiautomatic pistols because of concern “for the children”, but I didn’t have one so I didn’t care.

Now they are breaking down my door to get my baseball bats, and there is no way to defend myself. I wish I had cared.


39 posted on 11/27/2012 8:22:29 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: ilgipper
The average voter never hears of this stuff, and our side never objects.

Why do you say that? I think they object plenty. Their objections are not covered by the MSM, though. Those stories are spiked.

40 posted on 11/27/2012 8:29:42 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Boogieman

So we should send money to Harry Reid, just as the NRA did a couple years ago? Uhh, ok.


41 posted on 11/27/2012 8:57:38 AM PST by GnL
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To: ScottinVA
It'll lead to a lot of talking, though.

And a lot of caving and sheeple obedience.

42 posted on 11/27/2012 9:04:07 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: rarestia
As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.

The BATFE will not be defunded. Pubbies may run the House but the Dims run the Senate. Harry Reid has not let a Budget pass in over three years so we have been running on Continuing Resolutions, CRs, for almost all of Obama's first term.

Since there will probably be no Budget for the next four years the House and Senate will have to fight over the CRs and since the Pubbies have no spine they will not let the Government shut down over this subject. The Dems will not allow a CR through unless the BATFE is fully funded. They know it is the linchpin to the Communist takeover of our Country. The Pubbies will allow the final evisceration of our Constitution by the Communists in the White House and Senate so they will not be painted as the bad guys if the Government shuts down.

It is time for the gun shops, manufacterors, and every real patriot to say "NO" and keep making, producing and selling the guns and ammo and refuse to collect the huge taxes that are sure to come. When the BATFE or IRS agents come to shut them down WE need to literally stand side by side, in the hundreds if not thousands,to stop them at each location. There are not enough Brown Shirts in the BATFE or IRS to stop FREE CITIZENS and they would like to go home to their families.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago

43 posted on 11/27/2012 9:05:07 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: crosshairs

Maybe they are like Arafat. They tell you one thing in public, but believe and support something else in private. Who on this forum thinks the Republicans are ON OUR SIDE?


44 posted on 11/27/2012 9:09:56 AM PST by nomobs
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To: rarestia
As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.

Ha!

45 posted on 11/27/2012 9:15:15 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: marktwain
Those stories are spiked.

This is true. I am not saying is easy, but we have to change our tactics. Relying on the news cycle doesn't get it done. When I say we don't object, I am not saying we don't talk about it on the web, on blogs, on talk radio, etc.

In the past year, as Obama started using these executive decision-making to go around the Congress, our side strategically didn't make a big deal of them (Gays in military, Dream Act, etc, etc), because they specifically wanted to make this election about the economy. You never say Congressional leaders out focusing on executive over-reach. This tactic did not work...clearly.

My main points were: A) We need to start objecting to executive over-reach; and B) We have to start changing our political tactics to battle the opposition throughout the year, rather than jumping in with ads 30 days out from an election. We have to sell our ideas, and why they are better every day of the year, and work around the media through advertising, internet display ads, etc.

46 posted on 11/27/2012 9:18:38 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: OldMissileer
There are not enough Brown Shirts in the BATFE or IRS to stop FREE CITIZENS and they would like to go home to their families.

They really have NO idea how many of them will not get home to see the wife and kids if they try to enforce this.

Once blood is shed, and the dice are rolled, it will end very badly for the tyrants.

When (color of)law-abiding people realize they've crossed the Rubicon, there is nothing that stops them from going ALL the way.

Many, many traitors will be found swinging from lamp posts.

Many on our side will 'water' the tree of liberty too, but the tyrant class will be eliminated for at least a generation.

47 posted on 11/27/2012 9:23:30 AM PST by JOAT
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To: Boogieman; SJSAMPLE
in hopes that they might block some legislation

Well, I respectfully disagree.
10 years ago that might have been the case, but in today's government, good luck on expecting any Democrat to go against the party line when it means a pet Dem issue would be defeated. There are no free-thinkers on that side, and they would be bribed, threatened, or brow-beat until they vote in accordance with their leader.

I think you can forget men of principle - they do not exist in the Democrat party. Witness the process of passing Obamacare.

No - When the NRA helps elect a Democrat based on some grading process (wherein they probably got rolled, anyway), we all get the filth that goes along with the Democrat on every other legislation.

I abandoned the NRA and AOPA for these very reasons. Single-issue advocacy no longer works, because there is no honor on the left in Washington (and very little on the right), only strong-arming, get-your-way-at-all-costs behavior.

48 posted on 11/27/2012 9:34:11 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: rarestia
"As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House."

Wait, if a President can subvert the Constitution by way of an Executive Order what makes you think he won't do it again to fund BATF?

And if you think that SCOTUS will come to the rescue I got two words for you: "Justice Roberts"

49 posted on 11/27/2012 9:42:02 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: rarestia

“As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.”


The lever to pull is called a trigger.


50 posted on 11/27/2012 9:51:10 AM PST by RBK
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