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Obama to bypass congress to ban semiautomatic firearms
themoralliberal.com ^ | 26 November, 2012 | JIM KOURI

Posted on 11/27/2012 7:00:14 AM PST by marktwain

An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis, gun law expert John M. Snyder warned on Friday.

“According to confidential information,” he said, “forces linked with the administration suggest the government classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Americans familiar with federal gun laws understand that under this scenario, semiautomatics and high capacity magazines could be acquired only with great difficulty and at great expense by America’s estimated 100 million law-abiding firearms owners, notes Snyder.

According to Snyder and other gun ownership advocates, the Obama administration long ago realized it would have insurmountable difficulty getting a semiautomatic gun ban, such as that considered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and others, passed Congress, especially when the House is controlled by defenders of the Second Amendment.

Congressional Second Amendment supporters already are preparing for such a battle. During the Clinton years, Congress enacted a partial, temporary semiautomatic ban but allowed it to sunset after 10 years because of its lack of significant negative impact on crime, according to surveys conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police.

The Obama administration, now safely reelected, may order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to take the classification step. Some gun-grabbers view the designation of Street Sweeper shotguns as Title 2 firearms during the Clinton administration as precedent for such a move.

For several years, various groups and individuals have discussed the anti-gun owner proclivities of the current administration. Obama anti-gun owner activities have involved the promulgation of anti-gun federal regulations, the appointment of anti-gun judges to the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, and the appointment of anti-gun personnel to other high federal positions, including the appointment of an attorney general of the United States who is suspected by many observers of playing politics with the nation’s law enforcement community.

“It’s been under this attorney generalship that the infamous Fast and Furious federal gun running scandal involving ATF has occurred,” Snyder stated. “The administration may feel that a replacement in that office could facilitate a ratcheting-up of its anti-gun activities with announcement and inauguration of the proposed semiautomatic classification/ban.”

“Such a move surely would galvanize the law-abiding grass roots gun-owning American public into opposition as it never has before. At the very least, it would lead to an action in the U.S. House of Representatives to defund if not eliminate entirely the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. To what it would lead at the very most is anyone’s guess,” warns Snyder.

A former NRA editor and director of national gun rights organizations, Snyder has been defending the individual Second Amendment civil right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms for over 46 years. He’s been called the senior rights activist in Washington by Shotgun News. He also serves on the advisory board of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.

The Moral Liberal Contributing Editor, Jim Kouri, CPP, is the fifth Vice President and Public Information Officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, has served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. Contact Jim.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; assault; ban; banglist; batf; bho44; bhobanglist; obama
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To: grobdriver

I don’t think most American gun owners will comply with such a blanket law they see as an affront to the Bill Of Rights. Big Ears ain’t going to change their minds either. If they ever come and attempt to take them, they will have an upheaval that will shake our Nation to the core and lead to the end of the current Administration. Deep in their hearts, Americans know right from wrong.


51 posted on 11/27/2012 9:51:10 AM PST by Eska
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To: Mad Dawgg; Travis McGee
Madd Dawg, you said:

Wait, if a President can subvert the Constitution by way of an Executive Order what makes you think he won't do it again to fund BATF?

I would reply back then, "What obligation does any law officer, employee or even citizen then have to follow such a leader?"

I My answer: None. Zilch, Xero, Nada, Nitcht.

Moreso, anyone who follows a clearly anti-Constitutional law, directive, edict, or order are THEMSELVES equally guilty.

To paraphrase Andy Jackson, "John Marshall Barack Obama has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

52 posted on 11/27/2012 10:13:43 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: grobdriver

I think single-issue organizations have their uses, but single-issue VOTERS is another issue completely.

Single-issue voters are what doom us.

Let the NRA give Harry Reid an A-rating.
If anybody votes for Reid SOLELY for that reason, then there’s the problem.


53 posted on 11/27/2012 10:20:38 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: marktwain
How can the House "defund" anything, since the Executive Branch has not had a budget in > 3 years?
54 posted on 11/27/2012 10:23:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
"I would reply back then, "What obligation does any law officer..."

You mean like the Law Enforcement Officers of the BATF and the DEA who routinely use Unconstitutional "no-Knock" warrants to raid private property?

Do you mean the very BATF officers who will be getting funded by that same Executive order?

Do you mean these guys:

Sorry but I don't see these groups coming to the aide of John Q Public.

(BTW its Mad Dawgg, don't get me confused with the single "G" Dawg on FR.)

55 posted on 11/27/2012 10:27:08 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Big Mack

I hope you’re right. So far, all we do is sit on our hands and occasionally complain out loud. Myself included.


56 posted on 11/27/2012 10:27:49 AM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Let the NRA give Harry Reid an A-rating.

OK - how about when they give Democrat politicians a hundred thousand bucks?

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082&chamber=H&party=D&cycle=2012&state=&sort=A

Still good with that?

57 posted on 11/27/2012 10:32:56 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: marktwain
“This is a possible scenario, with the Senate controlled by Democrats, there is little hope that the Congress could reverse such an executive order.”

This could swing the country far right in the mid terms.
Let em pick a loser issue like this, OH Man!

58 posted on 11/27/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: lodi90

What do you think people care about most right now?

Free handouts and jobs that help put food on the table, or morals?

I guarantee you that right now, most people couldn’t care less about morality and facts. All they care about is getting their three squares a day and if someone else has to lose their rights to do this, oh well (of course, they’ll eventually learn that when one man’s rights aren’t sacred, no ones are).


59 posted on 11/27/2012 10:41:35 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: grobdriver

That’s the choice of the NRA board and membership.

I don’t like Harry Reid, but he’s earned his NRA endorsement. If he’s furthered the cause of Second Amendment rights, then he’s done the job they asked him to do.

Once these organizations start to morph into other, unsolicited areas, they begin to lose their power. Regardless of how people feel about the NRA, RKBA rights are on a roll at the local, state and federal levels.


60 posted on 11/27/2012 10:46:53 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: grobdriver

You might be right, but that strong arming doesn’t happen on every single vote. On the most important ones, yes, but there are still a lot of other votes where Dems may cross the aisle and vote against their party’s legislation.

Also, there are a lot of races where the NRA endorsement wouldn’t make any difference in terms of getting a Republican elected. It’s going to be one Dem or another in those seats, so we might as well at least try to get a pro-gun Dem instead of an anti-gun Dem. If we fail, or they don’t live up to their promises, we’ve lost nothing versus the alternative.


61 posted on 11/27/2012 11:48:53 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
It’s going to be one Dem or another in those seats, so we might as well at least try to get a pro-gun Dem instead of an anti-gun Dem.

Point.

62 posted on 11/27/2012 11:51:33 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: sport

It will be the entire Federal Law enforcement establishment that will for the command cadre of the American version of the einsatzgruppe & your local cops as the einsatzkommando troops . I think that this will come to pass within the next 4-6 years maybe sooner.


63 posted on 11/27/2012 12:02:50 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Nebr FAL owner

I agree with you.I am thinking sooner.


64 posted on 11/27/2012 12:45:49 PM PST by sport
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To: sport
There comes a time in the life of every human when he or she must decide to risk "his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor" on an outcome dubious. Those who fail the challenge are merely overgrown children, can never be anything else. — Robert Heinlein

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill

In battle or business, whatever the game,
In law or in love, it is ever the same;
In the struggle for power, or the scramble for pelf,
Let this be your motto - Rely on yourself!
For, whether the prize be a ribbon or throne,
The victor is he who can go it alone!
-- John Godfrey Saxe

All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth, our own excepted, in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.-- Abraham Lincoln

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. -- Robert Heinlein (again, sorry)

Even God lends a hand to honest boldness. — Menander, ~300 B.C.

A man who won't die for something is not fit to live. -- Martin Luther King Jr.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. -- Presidential Oath

Is it go time?

65 posted on 11/27/2012 2:37:23 PM PST by DNME (It's never over. Never.)
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To: marktwain

And yet gun owners are called “paranoid” for buying all the guns they can.....more like prescient.


66 posted on 11/27/2012 3:33:46 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Any dem who supports obamacare should get an F, as obamacare will put onerous burdens on gun owners in the future. Am surprised you cannot see the bleeding obvious.


67 posted on 11/27/2012 3:36:29 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Celtic Conservative
It's way past time.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


68 posted on 11/27/2012 5:24:55 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: All

there is nothing anyone can do about it. Go into a public place like a store or a church and look to your left then to your right and then look in the mirror because at least two of those people voted for this and a lot of us that felt we wouldn’t sully our hands by voting for Romney or McCain are to blame.

Elections have consequences. One half of Congress can’t do anything about it anymore, which is what those of us screaming to get rid of Obama have been saying for four years. Congress can shut off the spigot but Obama will find out ways around that too.

When they do come for your guns, don’t fight too hard, they’ll just take it out on your family.


69 posted on 11/27/2012 5:41:34 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Okey Dokey then.


70 posted on 11/28/2012 5:27:56 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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