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Republican senators say Rice meeting just leaves more questions unanswered
FoxNews.com ^ | November 26, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 11/27/2012 8:04:34 AM PST by bryan999

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To: haffast

Thanks for the info/links. R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.


51 posted on 11/27/2012 9:34:36 AM PST by PGalt
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To: bryan999

Anyone want on off [Benghazi MEPI Series]

(State Department’s Middle East Partnership Initiative)

please let me know.

Exploring links between State Dept, CIA and other non-governmental organizations (NGOs).

Threads to date:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2951865/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2962886/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2963361/posts


52 posted on 11/27/2012 9:35:54 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

ping to self for follow up


53 posted on 11/27/2012 9:36:17 AM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: bryan999

During the Waco, Texas massacre the Government filmed themselves shooting and burning women and children. During Congressional testimony FLIR video was shown of Government agents using automatic weapons and shooting into the rear kitchen that the residents were trying to use to escape the fire.

No one went to jail. Talk about getting left behind by your government.

This is no different.

White America talks a big game about violence, secession, and revolution, but when the SHTF it’s those free-loading grifters we look down on who start burning stuff and overturning cars to get what they want at the mere mention of a perceived offense - and they get what they want.

I’m starting to realize that we have a lot to learn from those free-loading rioters on how to effect change in a corrupt and cowardly system.


54 posted on 11/27/2012 9:38:35 AM PST by Noamie
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To: haffast

“Direction, or misdirection? Focus to be on Rice, or Benghazibama? McCain to be point man at 4pm:

“Today at 4p ET, Senator John McCain sits down with Neil Cavuto in his first interview after meeting with embattled U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice.”
http://foxnewsinsider.com/author/yourworld/
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thanks for heads-up. IMO, that interview will be the tell...but see post 36:

“However, the senators said after the meeting they needed more information about the attacks and the aftermath before making a decision on how they might vote on a potential Rice nomination.”
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If the senators were ready to rubber-stamp Rice, I don’t think they would have been as visibly upset as they were. I just saw 2 very short clips, but no doubt about it, they were upset-—almost shaken-— and it wasn’t feigned.

Maggie, from your link: “Rice is expected to meet later this week with Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and possibly other lawmakers, according to congressional aides.”


55 posted on 11/27/2012 9:42:47 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: mojito

I figure it must be pretty bad for Graham and McCain to both re-discover their spinal columns.


56 posted on 11/27/2012 9:43:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mojito
Guess I was wrong.

Don't be too hasty. Remember, we're talking about POLITICIANS here.

57 posted on 11/27/2012 9:44:00 AM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: bryan999

They just look upset for the masses.

They were actually firming up the details for the rubber stamp on her confirmation.


58 posted on 11/27/2012 9:44:00 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: maggief

oops, brain-slip; ping to post 55


59 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:30 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: silverleaf

Do you think Kelly Ayotte played the role of Scarlett and gave her a big slap?


60 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:36 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Baynative
Benghazi dead are white, middle aged men, with families.

That's the enemy of this administration. If they were gay black transgendered unichs living in section 8 housing and called for help on Obama-phones, and were running low on food stamps, every federal agency around would be on the go to save them.

I'm not joking either.

61 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:57 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: jessduntno
They were pissed . . .

But, were they pissed at Rice? Or were they pissed at Obama because of things Rice revealed to them?

62 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:39 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: bryan999

I got the whole after meetting presser from msnbc. Ayotte’s voice was definitely cracking.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15483370-gop-senators-not-satisfied-with-rice-explanation-of-benghazi-aftermath?lite


63 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:39 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: haffast

That lady Senator (Anottee?) will be on FOX news at 2pm to talk about it.


64 posted on 11/27/2012 9:48:58 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Baynative
Benghazi dead are white, middle aged men, with families.

That's the enemy of this administration. If they were gay black transgendered unichs living in section 8 housing and called for help on Obama-phones, and were running low on food stamps, every federal agency around would be on the go to save them.

I'm not joking either.

65 posted on 11/27/2012 9:49:39 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: mojito
Oh just wait.

When the SHTF, it will blow right in their faces.

The RINO’s usually cave at the last minute to keep us believing they will do something.

How many congress critters looked at all the evidence (of rape and murder) against Clinton and gave him a pass?

The starbucks story of Mary Mahoney is running on TV these days. Apparently the Clinton Snuff Squad thought she was the former intern with an M name.

It was hinted by Isikoff (the guy that buried the Monica story which was exposed by Drudge) that an intern with a name starting with M was about to talk about her affair with Clinton. Just before the whole Monica fiasco became a world wide story.

66 posted on 11/27/2012 9:57:27 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Noamie

“During the Waco, Texas massacre the Government filmed themselves shooting and burning women and children.”

The Fedgov also refused to let the NRA x-ray the “illegally” converted weapons to see if it was done before or after the fire.

Whatever compelling evidence exists about this coverup will never see the light of day, either.

I remember discussing the distressed look of the people during the press conference after the 2000 Waco hearings as well:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-106shrg73366/pdf/CHRG-106shrg73366.pdf


67 posted on 11/27/2012 9:57:44 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: thouworm

I saw it live. Thought:
1. Yes, they are disturbed deeply
2. Lined up and B-slapped by Rice with Dear Leader’s approval?
3. Reminded by Morrell that this time of year is poor for canoe trips
4. Fear for their country, or themselves?
5. Wife just finished old TV series called “24” on Netflix,
where is Jack Bauer now that we need him?
6. Nothing on TV is at it appears


68 posted on 11/27/2012 9:59:34 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: bryan999

I’m honestly a bit surprised by this. McCain has stood up to the politically correct before, and then changed course as soon as the press slapped him down. When he was called in for this interview, that’s what I feared would happen again. Maybe this time will be different? I sure hope so.

Because if McCain and Gramnesty stick to their guns, this betrayal of our ambassador could actually get some more traction.


69 posted on 11/27/2012 10:02:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ronald_Magnus; MestaMachine; maggief; haffast; Beagle8U

Thanks for posting

MM: See post 55 and link by Ronald_Magnus to entire presser. This will catch you up to date.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15483370-gop-senators-not-satisfied-with-rice-explanation-of-benghazi-aftermath?lite

I don’t know why non-responses or defensive responses would make them so upset. Rice even apologized and said she regretted remarks. Causes me to wonder if Morrell strong-armed or delivered some sort of threatening message to them from the Adm.

PS: from Beagle8U

That lady Senator (Anottee?) will be on FOX news at 2pm to talk about it.


70 posted on 11/27/2012 10:03:22 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

If you review page 2 or 3 of that PDF you will see many of the same names that are in the news today on Benghazi. Even Joe Biden.

Term limits, though admittedly un-wise, have now become a necessity to maintain a free and open government.


71 posted on 11/27/2012 10:06:18 AM PST by Noamie
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To: Beagle8U; thouworm

“That lady Senator (Anottee?) will be on FOX news at 2pm to talk about it.”

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) (I’m having trouble with that name too)

Thank-you.


72 posted on 11/27/2012 10:07:14 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: thouworm

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/rice-we-didnt-intend-to-mislead-on-benghazi-150400.html?hp=l1_b1

Under fire from congressional critics, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice stressed in a Tuesday statement that she did not intend to mislead the public about the September 11th attacks on the Benghazi consulate.

“Neither I nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the American people at any stage in this process, and the administration updated Congress and the American people as our assessments evolved,” Rice said.

(snip)

“In the course of the meeting, we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community, and the initial assessment upon which they were based, were incorrect in a key respect: there was no protest or demonstration in Benghazi,” Rice said.

“While, we certainly wish that we had had perfect information just days after the terrorist attack, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved,” she said.


73 posted on 11/27/2012 10:08:30 AM PST by maggief
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To: mojito

Rice was next on the interview list, Hillary is probably next. Obama is the target. The evidence is in hand but must be dripped dripped out.


74 posted on 11/27/2012 10:17:37 AM PST by RichBruer
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To: MikeSteelBe
And the Waco Clinton/Reno Government mass murder site was bulldozed as soon as they could get the equipment out there.

To destroy the evidence.

Same with OKC-—the bombing of which made Clinton absolutely giddy with the prospect of this terrorist act making him look good.

It was bulldozed quickly also.

And all reference to the Muslim Islamic terrorist (John Doe 2) was wiped from all news stories.

They wanted to blame it solely on a white guy, and they pulled it off.

75 posted on 11/27/2012 10:20:46 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: bryan999

.

Truth :

Obama
Rice
Etc.

They all have lousy intelligence

Lower primate scores I’d say

The Boob Curve

.


76 posted on 11/27/2012 10:25:02 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: pallis
Perhaps Rice went in to explain to the Senators that they are powerless, old fools who should learn their place under Obama, or lose it. It’s not like an intelligent exchange could have taken place with Rice as one of the contributors.

That's the take I'm getting from all this. I'm picturing Rice like Judy Holliday in "Born Yesterday" looking at the Senators. "Yeah, so? What'cha gonna do 'bout it, huh?"

77 posted on 11/27/2012 10:25:28 AM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: Noamie

“Term limits, though admittedly un-wise, have now become a necessity to maintain a free and open government.”

At least we have Matt Damon making movies like “Green Zone”.

When will the Hollywood epic about this Benghazi coverup come out?

sarcasm off


78 posted on 11/27/2012 10:26:47 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: maggief; MestaMachine

TY

Those are our lies, and we’re sticking to them, Congress be damned, or stonewalled, as the case may be.

BTW: Did you see this odd piece from yesterday? Couldn’t find a thread on the article.

“Here were some of Klein’s astounding assertions: There are no unanswered questions about Benghazi. Ambassador Stevens had all the security he wanted. Rice’s talking points were “absolutely accurate” — it was a spontaneous demonstration by extremists. Al qaeda was not involved in the attack. Not clear that reports from Stevens asking for more security exist.”

Somebody please give Joe Klein the revised Benghazi talking points
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/26/joe-klein-benghazi/


79 posted on 11/27/2012 10:26:57 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: bryan999

If these fools wanted to really do something for America that is good. They would; but they won’t.


80 posted on 11/27/2012 10:28:54 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: thouworm; mickie
My strongest theory is that Morell was at the meeting by Obama's orders, not Rice's "request".....and that he (Morell) was there to make sure that his testimony if he's later under oath in a full-blown investigation meshes with that of (wannabee) Madame Secretary Rice.

These slimy evil-doers leave no rocks unturned. He was there for a purpose, and it wasn't to hold the Madame's hand.

Leni

81 posted on 11/27/2012 10:29:28 AM PST by MinuteGal (Please Restore Former Format on FR "Latest Posts" Page ASAP !)
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To: bryan999

So what. They will still vote to confirm her.


82 posted on 11/27/2012 10:30:26 AM PST by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: thouworm

Gott’em all. Thank you. I am working on a definitive analysis for jsec starting from what I believe is the start of all this and trying to put things in chron order detail for detail. The drips, drabs, and downright fabrications, the idiocy of the whole petraeus farce, why, and what. It’s quite a task, but determined to get it right and make sense out of what seems to be chaos. It really isn’t if you’ve kept your eye on the ball.
Gotta know the players and the script and subscript.


83 posted on 11/27/2012 10:31:00 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Syncro

“And all reference to the Muslim Islamic terrorist (John Doe 2) was wiped from all news stories.”

At least we can still get Jayna Davis’ book “The Third Terrorist” - for now.


84 posted on 11/27/2012 10:33:24 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

McCain, Graham and Ayotte are clearly PISSED and upset. Rice is an incompetent moron, and has NO BUSINESS working at this level (or any other position above a fry-cook at Mickey D). They are STILL waiting for details about the FBI interviews. Obama’s minions most likely are seeing to it that any incriminating evidence against Dear Leader is destroyed.


85 posted on 11/27/2012 10:34:31 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: MinuteGal

he was there to protect her and threaten the gang of 3


86 posted on 11/27/2012 10:36:50 AM PST by advertising guy (and as far as the Cookie Monster, was it really cookies ?)
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To: bryan999

The GOP should have stopped this mess over 4 years ago. And now it will continue for four more. Juan McCain is the worst of them all by not challenging the candidacy of BHO. They won’t do anything about this either. Only ones talking about it pretty much are these 3 and Fox.


87 posted on 11/27/2012 10:38:38 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: maggief

I just called Senator Ayotte, 202-224-3324, and left a message to encourage her to keep pushing for the truth, I’d encourage everyone to do the same...


88 posted on 11/27/2012 10:57:31 AM PST by HurriKane (Rejoice in hope, be patient under trial, persevere in prayer!)
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To: MrChips

But, were they pissed at Rice? Or were they pissed at Obama because of things Rice revealed to them?

They said it was because the meeting raised more questions than answered any.


89 posted on 11/27/2012 11:06:42 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: advertising guy
"Ayotte was clearly shaken...her voice broke several times"

That is her normal speaking voice ... has always sounded nervous to me.

90 posted on 11/27/2012 11:08:37 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: jessduntno

I know. But, maybe she told them more than we know, things that would undermine Obama.


91 posted on 11/27/2012 11:09:17 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Yes, Jayna Davis did an excellent job!


92 posted on 11/27/2012 11:09:26 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: MrChips

LOL!

Well, McCain probably played Ashley Wilkes and offered her his hankie to sob into While Linsey patted her back like Miss Mellie


93 posted on 11/27/2012 11:10:06 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: jessduntno
I gotta disagree with you here...they stayed on point and flat out said that there was someone in the woodpile who wasn’t telling the truth and they weren’t joking. It was pretty dramatic. Hope they stick to their guns. If there was intentional misleading information, the point of it will eventually HAVE to be, who did the cover up of AQ’s attack and that would HAVE to mean, who told them to stand down? It’s got to go there, press or no press.

Even Lindsey graham (the guy who decided his oath against raising taxes no longer applies) was going off on all the lies that were told to the public 3 weeks before the election - he looked pretty incensed for someone who has become deserving of incense...

94 posted on 11/27/2012 11:17:41 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: advertising guy

This is reminding me of the night after Clinton was deposed in the Paula Jones case. The Jones group went out and celebrated at dinner; Clinton retreated to the WH, looking very distressed. Days later the SHTF with the Monica tapes.


95 posted on 11/27/2012 11:30:40 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

yep and this is a case of listen to what you don’t hear....

.. sure are quiet about Petreyus’ trip to investigate ain’t they


96 posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:27 AM PST by advertising guy (and as far as the Cookie Monster, was it really cookies ?)
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To: MestaMachine

“trying to put things in chron order detail for detail”

...as if you don’t have enough on your over-sized platter. ;-(

BTW: Last week, I started to do the same! The time-line is complicated but absolutely CRITICAL.

IIRC, it was you who mentioned that they were willing to sacrifice 40, not “just” 4. It made such an impression on me because I had thought the very same thing on the same day just prior to reading your post. Don’t hear anyone talking about that (but it needs to be proved).

My own requirements are to source every detail, and for now, I am working in MS Windows within a little MacBook Air. Appreciative for the slick machine, but footprint not big enough for mega-research.

If I can be of any help with your project, FreepMail me. The Benghazi betrayal/treason will never be understood without a timeline (and the known positions of available assets).

Just a few points that stood out to me about the timeline that no one has dealt with:

Essential to post events both in Benghazi time AND est time (for one’s own and readers’ sanity). In the beginning, Adm was slippery about this and the media was sloppy.

IIRC, Stevens’ death was approx 1am Benghazi time (7pm, est) IMO. Hospital worked on his body for 45 min before pronouncing him dead. These details had to be known by Adm far sooner than it was reported, maybe by as much as 8 hrs prior. I think it can/will be proved when Adm first had knowledge of his death, and that fact will be important.

7:00pm (est) 1 am Wed (Benghazi)— an additional CIA team of about six security officers from the embassy in Tripoli had arrived at Benghazi. [Detained for 3 hrs!!!???]

At 1:15am (Benghazi time) CIA reinforcements arrive at Benghazi Airport from a 45min flight from Tripoli in a plane they hastily chartered. That team, which includes Glen Doherty, doesn’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30am. They are held up by Libyan authorities.

That team wanted to go to hospital to retrieve Ambassador Steven’s body, but couldn’t because the hospital, according to the CIA, was surrounded by the Ansar al Sharia militia, an al-Qaeda-linked group behind the attack. hmmm... to this point!!!


97 posted on 11/27/2012 11:44:48 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm; CyberAnt

Have to go back to the beginning. In the beginning, there was a PLAN. Whose plan? What were the goals? Who were the players, top and bit?
Must define motives...and there were several, not just one. This was a plan that had to be carried out almost perfectly to succeed, but the bit players were out of sync. No one knew what the left hand was doing. The embassy idiots in Cairo jumped out there hours earlier than they should have. The marbles scattered from there.
That was the first red flag that made everyone else go “hmmmmm.”


98 posted on 11/27/2012 12:01:43 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: MestaMachine; maggief; Beagle8U; haffast

Yep. I’ve considered it, but the plan/motives must be proved-— or at the very least supported by a long timeline (broad in some areas, and minutely detailed in others); otherwise just opinion. An enormous task.
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BTW: Ayotte interview by M. Kelley on FOX (2pm). This is a transcript of the substance of the interview.

KELLEY: Why are you more troubled today than you were before you met with Amb. Rice.

AYOTTE: I will say that upfront the acting director of the CIA and Amb Rice said that the story about the video and the protests was wrong. In fact the acting director of the CIA said that by Sept 22 they had absolutely confirmed that that was wrong.....

Why didn’t she come forward sooner? In addition,

we have heard that she relied on the unclassified talking points in terms of what she said on each of the Sunday shows. But what was important to understand is that, in her capacity as UN Ambassador, she also reviewed the daily intelligence briefings.

We know from already reported information that the classified talking points said clearly that Al Qaeda, individuals associated with AQ, or with ties to AQ, were involved with the attacks.

That was then omitted from the unclassified talking points, but she had reviewed the classified talking points, and nevertheless, when you look at what she said on CBS (Face the Nation), also on Meet the Press, not only was that piece omitted, but also she said that Al Qaeda was decimated in both of those interviews.

So, that of course, was a misleading impression to the American people about what happened at the consulate. Obviously, the American people would have taken a very different impression had the info about individuals with ties to AQ been involved in the attack been presented from the very beginning.

KELLEY: What was her explanation for that?

AYOTTE: I was unsatisfied with the explanation. Basically, as I understand it, the explanation is that that was being withheld-— the AQ involvement, that point of the talking points was being withheld for CLASSIFIED REASONS, but I also explored, Didn’t you question that? because that left...if you omit that portion of the talking points...it leaves a very different impression to the American people.

And frankly, I didn’t get a satisfactory answer to that or an explanation that I felt really warranted... And think about, obviously she has a very important position in the UN.

She made it very clear that she was not just parroting the talking points, but she had obviously done her own homework, and part of her responsibilities is to receive the daily intelligence briefing that includes the classified information.

KELLEY: I see your point. It’s not that she just withheld the info about AQ. She made statements that seemed to suggest that AQ was decimated, and yet she had info in hand that suggested they were behind this attack.
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Interview not yet posted on FOX.

Been waiting for them to pull out “classified info” trump card. IMO, they are going to keep using this at strategic times to keep Benghazi details from the public.

MM: Didn’t Obama pull out of his “umm...hat” a grand EO classifying F & F material? Think they will do same here. Called the compound a consulate until it was reported it was no consulate at all. Then called it a mission.

Wonder if Morrell used this gambit at the meeting? You can say this; you can’t say that; it’s classified.

Now, on to McCain’s interview...


99 posted on 11/27/2012 1:20:39 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MestaMachine; maggief; haffast

Not much to McCain’s disappointing interview-—mostly because Cavuto failed to ask relevant questions and moved on to John Kerry & Grover Norquist & fiscal cliff.

McCain interview with Cavuto:

“There were people who were survivors of the consulate who were flown to Germany, who were interviewed by the FBI, and they said absolutely there was no demonstration. Yet for a couple of weeks, the intelligence community seemed to be wrestling with signal intelligence and other classified info that they had, which led them to wait 2 weeks before they could come out and say that there was no spontaneous demonstration, that this was a planned attack by AQ.”

......

“How could the FBI possibly not tell the CIA what the survivors said within 2 days after the tragedy, and that is that there was no demonstration? It’s mind-boggling, some of it.”

.....

“There are a lot of layers to this onion.”
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That was about it. Video of Ayotte interview worth reviewing when it is posted. Skip McCain for any Benghazi info. This is all he had to say, for now.


100 posted on 11/27/2012 1:41:46 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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