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GOP lawmakers float immigration reform plan
The Washington Times ^ | Nov. 27, 2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 11/27/2012 10:40:15 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Saying they want to get the conversation on immigration reform started, top Senate Republicans on Tuesday introduced a version of the so-called “Dream Act” to grant young illegal immigrants legal status in the US, though not giving them a special path to citizenship.

GOP Sens. Jon Kyl and Kay Bailey Hutchison said they have introduced a bill that would reward those who take college classes or join the military.

“We have got to get this ball rolling,” said Mr. Kyl, an Arizona Republican who is retiring this year. “We have to have a discussion that is sensible, that is calm.”

Their bill would be more limited than the proposals Democrats have sought, which would have been more generous with a path to citizenship and broader in the number of immigrants it would apply to. But Ms. Hutchison, Texas Republican, said she and Mr. Kyl have tried to accommodate some Democratic lawmakers’ concerns.

The legislation would reward students with higher status the further along they are in pursuing their education. Those who earn a four-year college degree or complete military service could apply for a permanent visa that wouldn’t put them on a new path to citizenship, but would allow them to join existing lines by getting married to a U.S. citizen or finding another opportunity to adjust their status.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; rino

1 posted on 11/27/2012 10:40:21 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Great.
Like we need more suckers for student loans or “free” tuition.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 10:48:35 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Amnesty


3 posted on 11/27/2012 10:48:37 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Free ThinkerNY; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ..
RE :”The legislation would reward students with higher status the further along they are in pursuing their education. Those who earn a four-year college degree or complete military service could apply for a permanent visa that wouldn’t put them on a new path to citizenship, but would allow them to join existing lines by getting married to a U.S. citizen or finding another opportunity to adjust their status”

Amnesty ping!

How did they get in the military to begin with if they are illegal? Lie ???
And this just validates lib states like Maryland using our taxpayer money to send illegals to college.

Maybe they should have to agree to never apply for US citizenship.

4 posted on 11/27/2012 10:50:37 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Kay, Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

How about closing the gate before feeding the cattle!

5 posted on 11/27/2012 10:51:00 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: sickoflibs

You don’t have to be a citizen to serve in the US military. In fact, it’s a way to earn citizenship.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 10:55:18 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Free ThinkerNY
KBH remember the Alamo...you liberal mindless bleeding heart..if I rob a bank and go to college am I home free? How about if I forge my birth certificate and become usurper President am I home free? This will only encourage more illegal immigration like the 1986 amnesty did and by the way it was about 60% fraud...

Get the ball rolling and get 23 million Americans back to full time work and 48 million off of food stamps and close the border before you even think about rewarding illegal aliens anymore than they already are. Insanity or idiots or just power hungry self serving politicians? How can they sleep at night? No conscience ?

7 posted on 11/27/2012 10:56:47 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Free ThinkerNY

25 million new Democrat voters


8 posted on 11/27/2012 10:59:36 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Any “immigration reform” plan that does not begin with sealing off the borders is a non-starter for me.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 11:00:24 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: 1rudeboy
RE :”How did they get in the military to begin with if they are illegal? Lie ???
.......
You don’t have to be a citizen to serve in the US military. In fact, it’s a way to earn citizenship.”

You see the word ‘citizenship’ anywhere in that comment of mine above regarding illegals in the military?

10 posted on 11/27/2012 11:01:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
We have got to get this ball rolling, said Mr. Kyl, an Arizona Republican who is retiring this year. We have to have a discussion that is sensible, that is calm.

Translation:

We have got to get this amnesty rolling, said Mr. Kyl, an Arizona Leftist who is retiring this year. We have to have a sellout of our nation that sounds sensible, that is still a nation-killer population-bomb.

11 posted on 11/27/2012 11:03:43 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Republicans are in a ball of irrelevance, having already rolled over a cliff.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 11:06:52 AM PST by pallis
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To: sickoflibs

You asked the question and I answered it.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 11:07:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
RE :”You asked the question and I answered it.”

I asked a question and you answered a completely different question.

14 posted on 11/27/2012 11:12:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: sickoflibs

Not to a reader of plain English.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 11:14:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why am I not surprised at this? Kay Bailey Hutchison personally wrote the language which gutted the border fence bill. That woman is an enemy of the people, and is determined to serve her masters until her last day in office.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 11:16:40 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Legal immigrants with green cards can join the military. Illegal aliens cannot join the military unless they use phony documents and don’t get caught.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 11:16:44 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: pallis
Republicans are in a ball of irrelevance, having already rolled over a cliff.

Yep. All we can do now is hunker down in our bunkers and prepare to start picking-up the pieces after the bomb goes off in the Democrats' face. The Pubbies are useless.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 11:18:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I guess the GOP’s answer to losing the election is turn itself into the democratic party.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 11:19:38 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Fast and Furious , Benghazi - What's 0bama's current body count?)
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To: forgotten man

A US Foreign Legion might not be a bad idea then. A path to legality for those willing to fight and serve.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 11:19:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1rudeboy
RE “Not to a reader of plain English.”

So your ‘plain’ dictionary is missing half the words?

22 posted on 11/27/2012 11:20:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

NO THANKS.......


23 posted on 11/27/2012 11:21:42 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GeronL

25 million new Democrat voters

That’s the goal of any Amnesty. Then they WILL turn us into slaves of the government as the democrats/statists/socialists will have total power.


24 posted on 11/27/2012 11:23:39 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

By all means! Let us burden the dwindling numbers of hard-working taxpayers even more! Let us curtail and ration care to our elderly! Let us gut our Social Security system for those who have payed income taxes from their wages all their working lives! Let us raise taxes on the very movers of our economy and force them to bankrupt themselves!

Let us do all these things so we can win the favor and votes of millions of usurpers who are here by criminal means. Let’s abandon and deprive our own so the Republicans can compete with the Communist/Marxist party(who,by the way, have already won this once great nation the way they always do; by playing on the stupidity of the voter.)

So go ahead; pay for free education for foreign nationals at the expense of your own children. Pay up in fines,taxes and penalties so they can have free heathcare and foodstamps while they’re doing it. Don’t forget that they have a country of origin that they don’t have the guts to fight the elements that make it unlikeable to them. So don’t think they’re here because they respect our founding principles, dim Republicans! They don’t identify themselves as Americans any more than our native genre who hate the founding principles of what used to be America.

The only thing Republicans are succeeding in doing in breaking their pledges and “evolving” in their Conservative principles is to show themselves for the cowards they are. They are showing just how weak they really have become and it’s pathetic. What’s even more pathetic is that becoming Dem-Lites won’t win them anything; least of all respect.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 11:59:56 AM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: DoughtyOne; All

Translation:

“We have got to get this amnesty rolling, said Mr. Kyl, an Arizona Leftist who is retiring this year. We have to have a sellout of our nation that sounds sensible, that is still a nation-killer population-bomb.”

Kyl is a traitor from way back.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 12:01:15 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

“Any “immigration reform” plan that does not begin with sealing off the borders is a non-starter for me.”

Precisely. Moles have dug holes so the basement is flooding. The landlord says pumping it out is the solution, while ignoring the holes, until the water rises again.

It is contrary to good, common sense. Furthermore, it is bad public policy and worse law. On the other hand, this would ensure the destruction of the “Me too!” party.

Go ahead Republicrats: Make our day.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 12:33:42 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You betcha and both snakes are retiring!


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29 posted on 11/27/2012 12:40:43 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You could be right. I haven’t seen enough of him to know.

I do love how these bastards wait until they’re on the way out to betray us across the board.

Obviously, was never one of us...


30 posted on 11/27/2012 12:42:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: TurboZamboni

And majoring in crap they couldn’t find a job in.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 12:43:17 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: sickoflibs; Free ThinkerNY; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Liz; AuntB; ...
Maybe they should have to agree to never apply for US citizenship.

I'm not sure if that is a sarcastic remark.

1) Such a condition in a bill would have to get through congress, where it could be changed to "... have to agree to never apply for US citizenship unless....or until....," or it could be deleted entirely. Or the courts could interpret that to mean that they agreed to that at one time, but changed their minds. Once the amnesty juggernaut starts rolling, it will be hard to stop, no matter what it says.

2) The courts do invent new "rights" for illegals, e. g. Plyler v Doe: we have to pay for their education. A perfect opportunity for a new "right" would be citizenship. Obama could have 1 or 2 chances to put more lunatics on the SCOTUS.

3) New congresscritters and EOs in the future. Even if the same crowd stays in power in congress, at best they seem indifferent to the notion of importing leftists voters. At worst, maybe they want to have a more "manageable" electorate.

32 posted on 11/27/2012 1:47:56 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Kyl is hated by conservatives in AZ. He sold out to the Chamber of Commerce whores years ago.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 1:51:19 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

” New congresscritters and EOs in the future. Even if the same crowd stays in power in congress, at best they seem indifferent to the notion of importing leftists voters”

They don’t care, but why don’t they care?


34 posted on 11/27/2012 1:57:08 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Doesn’t surprise me. Guys on our side seem to be born with a ‘sell-out’ gene.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 2:01:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Fledermaus
And majoring in crap they couldn’t find a job in.

They shouldn't be able to find a job with a degree in Reconquista Studies, but look at who is POTUS. I just saw a bumper sticker on a car that cut me off: "OBAMANOS!" (O + vamonos).

36 posted on 11/27/2012 2:02:13 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
They don’t care, but why don’t they care?

The kindest answer would be that they are looking at the next election and no further (although I don't think amnesty would help the GOP in the next election).

Maybe the truth is that they really want the left to become more powerful, because being in the minority is what they know how to do.

37 posted on 11/27/2012 2:11:24 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne

” being in the minority is what they know how to do. “

You may be right.


38 posted on 11/27/2012 2:36:39 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
Kyl is hated by conservatives in AZ. He sold out to the Chamber of Commerce whores years ago.

And now we have a new one:

LINK: During his six terms in the U.S. House, Rep. Flake has co-sponsored five amnesties, including being the chief original sponsor with Rep. Gutierrez for the infamous STRIVE amnesty.

39 posted on 11/27/2012 3:53:31 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”Maybe they should have to agree to never apply for US citizenship.
....
I'm not sure if that is a sarcastic remark.”

At this point unless something dramatically changes I am assuming that Rs will either :
1)Cave to Dems, or
2)Totally humiliate themselves after saying ‘hell no’ by caving, then lose yet another election.

Republicans need to focus on immigration bills that only allow naturalization and legalization to those who are likely to be against the welfare state. But how do you do that? College graduates with advanced degrees mostly voted for O.

I saw an post here today that had a link in the source to a list of the richest and poorest states.
The Best- and Worst-Run States in America
( 24/7 Wall St. via Yahoo! News | 11/27/12 | Posted on November 27, 2012)

deep inside that was a link to:
America’s Richest States( September 20, 2012, 24/7 wall Street)

And lib Maryland is listed as the #1 richest state in the country and it passed a wave of tax increases, tuition discounts at state colleges for illegals and same sex marriage. It is very rich AND very liberal thanks to Uncle Sam. So liberals are not just the 47% who pay no Fed income taxes that Romney said he doesn't care about (he is stupid)

40 posted on 11/27/2012 9:29:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

NO NEW IMIGRATION LAWS!!!!

Fully enforce existing laws with fines for hiring an illegal, 1st offense and prison for 2nd offense and the illegals will self deport in quick order.

Quit catering to the criminals!


41 posted on 11/27/2012 9:32:53 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Shades of amnesty. I expect many GOP lawmakers to resist an Obama comprehensive immigration plan. At least I hope they will. Had Romney been elected, comprehensive immigration might have passed by acclamation.

We're in for a fight.

42 posted on 11/27/2012 9:40:24 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: sickoflibs
Maybe they should have to agree to never apply for US citizenship.

I like that. Which means it's probably a pipe dream.

43 posted on 11/27/2012 10:29:41 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: sickoflibs; Free ThinkerNY; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
Republicans need to focus on immigration bills that only allow naturalization and legalization to those who are likely to be against the welfare state. But how do you do that? College graduates with advanced degrees mostly voted for O.

Unless Republicans figure that out -- and contrary to what they seem to think, it's not easy -- we are going to be steamrolled. We will suffer the consequences. Our masters, not so much.

One problem is that many highly educated immigrants have relatives living in poverty back home. Another problem is the ideology on college campuses.

44 posted on 11/28/2012 3:51:07 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Free ThinkerNY; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
RE :”Unless Republicans figure that out — and contrary to what they seem to think, it's not easy — we are going to be steamrolled. We will suffer the consequences. Our masters, not so much.
.......
One problem is that many highly educated immigrants have relatives living in poverty back home. Another problem is the ideology on college campuses. “

And as I pointed out on that other thread, most of the jobs requiring advanced degrees and paying good $$$ in the Maryland/Northern VA area are funded by either the state or Federal government.

So you bring over bright ambitious immigrants and send them to college up to including advanced degrees (I know a few of them here who never paid a dime for it), then they get a gubment job, and you know who they are loyal to. (hint :Maryland)
It doesnt matter if they are not on food stamps or welfare, they worship ‘the great provider’ and offer it thei votes as tithings.

The Republicans real problem is not that we are short immigrants, its that they dont have a clue on how to recruit others to their views, to the extent that they have (as a whole) consistent ones.

45 posted on 11/28/2012 4:54:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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