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ACLU sues over policy barring women from ground combat
Yahoo! News ^ | 11/27/12 | Peter Henderson | Reuters

Posted on 11/27/2012 12:55:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: USAF80

Well, I did state “ one woman on the field at all times” which would mean offense, defense, special teams too. Five women and it wouldn’t even be a close game, except for maybe the Chiefs or perhaps the Eagles. Heck, I might as well include my Cowgirls :)


51 posted on 11/27/2012 3:20:19 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The simple way to train women to put the seat up, is to not care about it in the first place, up, down, I don’t care.

It is an add on to a toilet anyway.


52 posted on 11/27/2012 3:21:14 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You scratch your own back......?


53 posted on 11/27/2012 3:22:08 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: NormsRevenge

So liberal men want to be able to have sex with women, abort women, live off a woman and now kill women? What will the pro-woman movement think of next?


54 posted on 11/27/2012 3:22:34 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: PghBaldy

Not relevant to this thread.


55 posted on 11/27/2012 3:24:34 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: NormsRevenge

when women can do the same test to get in the service, when they can carry 130 pound over 30 miles in 8 hours and then fight at the end and when women can not be a distraction to men then by all means serve in combat.

They cannot and it;s time for these idiots to understand women and men are build differently


56 posted on 11/27/2012 3:24:41 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Repeat Offender

agreed.
We had a woman in arctic training with our unit and she was a massive failure.

This is stupid to think that women can do the same job, carry the same weight over the same distance and then fight.

Women today do not do the same test to get in a unit and yet think they should then serve the same as a guy., no frigging way.


57 posted on 11/27/2012 3:28:57 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
I've spent more than my fair share of time doing CW training. And even longer trying to regain feeling in my hands and feet.

I can think of one reason and one reason only it would be beneficial to a grunt to have women in a CW environment.......and that is to to hope she gets hypothermia so you can strip her down, strip yourself down and climb in a sleeping bag with her in order to get her core temp back up.

Okay, maybe two reasons; you can claim frostbite and stick your hands under her armpits to warm your fingers back up.

However, even that isn't worth the headache and backache of carrying her gear the rest of the op.

58 posted on 11/27/2012 3:34:00 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: USAF80
"It depends on her position. If she was the field goal kicker or punter then there is the possibility that that team will win a few games. A better test would be five women on one team."

Or just one woman on the line. Good luck with one against all the those gigantor men. No matter what the offense or defense position they all get creamed one time or another in the right dog pile. Even the centers get stomped. Talk about "PULP Friction"!

However, it would be worth a few laughs to see they're new protective breast were sticking out of their uniforms, as if that would protect them. Of course, they would probably change the rules so the men don't push against the chest area any longer. I'm sick of feminists not letting men enjoy their own time together.

The sexual harassment thing has been mostly resolved - apparently the "free association" thing no longer exists.

59 posted on 11/27/2012 3:39:25 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: A Navy Vet

“... new protective breast [bras] sticking out of their uniforms! But then if they had metal or composite type pointy bra like early Madonna, they could do some damage...har.


60 posted on 11/27/2012 3:44:03 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Repeat Offender

we’re doing mountain and Arctic warfare and we had a woman with us.
I had to write a report on how those days went to the higher ups.

She was on her period and we had an animal following us, bad news.

Out there we have to carry more than usual, she could nto carry half and the men had to carry her kit which was a disgrace but the only way to move forward on the patrols.

She was always flirting and caused some tension in the ranks .

She ran out of energy, she couldn;t even dig her own snow hole those nights which meant other men had to do her job.

It was a diseaster and I said so in my report and guess what I bet that report was ripped up because it seems some Generals and other higher ups care about their jobs and prmotions than the country or the service we serve.

Once we got back to Tromso in north Norway as a base she did nothing but flirt, caused a distraction for the men, wanted special rights and not even do her own cleaning of her kit.

We had one guy who was cleaning her kit and rifle to which I put a stop to that.
Today this day I do not know why but I swear on my life women in the front lines should not be there.

Today they still do not do the same tests as men, in the marines they only have to do one pull up, to graduate they only have to do two pulls ups.

That is a joke and then some wonder why there are more suicides in the military.
We are taking in people, women and some men who should not be in the service , let alone on the front lines.

openly serving homosexuals, cross dressers and now women who do not do the same test to get in, what a farce they have turned the military in and lets not forget the PC crap either, 170 pound women at 5 foot 4 inches getting in the infantry is a joke.

I met one marines recruiter who was nothing but a PC turd and tried to tell me how he guarded the President for 4 years and how he was qualified, \


61 posted on 11/27/2012 3:48:25 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just what our front lines need, a Drama Queen Brigade.


62 posted on 11/27/2012 4:01:38 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: A Navy Vet
I say let them play against every nasty huge 300lb+ line-backer and watch them get what they want. It could be entertaining to watch them carried off the field to never play again. It would probably take all of one or two seasons for the NFL to say no more.

In all my years, I have never seen ANY woman (including Navy dykes), as large as collegiate or pro fullbacks, guards, tackles, running backs, etc., who could block or tackle such men. I say again, if this were come to pass, I would enjoy those dykes getting creamed!

I will smile and laugh all the way to my winnings gambling on any team who has women on the scrimmage line.

63 posted on 11/27/2012 4:01:38 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: manc
I met one marines recruiter who was nothing but a PC turd and tried to tell me how he guarded the President for 4 years and how he was qualified, \

Ah yes, the difficulties of promotion through 'B' Billets (DI, recruiter, Marine Security Guard, School of Infantry Instructor).

It is not uncommon to see senior enlisted (1stSgt/SgtMaj - usually not MSgt or MGySgt) with multiple 'B' billets.....the best is when they do more than one type.

We call them "Fleet Dodgers." I think being a Fleet Dodger is a requirement to be SgtMaj of the Marine Corps. Nothing says "combat leadership" and "warrior ethos" than a Drill Instructor or Recruiter ribbon.

Every year the SNCO promotion boards make generic remarks about possible reasons people were passed over. They compile their list and publish it to the Marine Corps at large so Marines know what they need to do in order to better their promotion chances.

Before, putting anything "combat" on your FitRep was a good way to get promoted. That has apparently changed. The last board made the remarks that the NCO/SNCO academies, annual rifle/pistol quals, gas chamber, swim qual and 'B' billets were going to be more heavily looked at for promotion.

This lets the Fleet Dodgers know that it is safe to come back to the Fleet as with operations winding down in A-stan they are at low risk for going. It also reminds everyone of the hell that is peacetime-MC. Just remember, it is more important to walk in a box with a sword than be able to prove leadership in combat while killing the enemy.

By the way, if all the men are forward and the chicks have more ample opportunity to go to the garrison schools (well, the worst is the NCO academies they set up in A-stan and previously Iraq) guess who stands a better chance of getting promoted?

64 posted on 11/27/2012 4:04:51 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: snoringbear

LOL!


65 posted on 11/27/2012 4:07:22 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Repeat Offender

Spot on. Did my 20 in the 2nd Ranger Bn and SF. Never once saw a woman who could deal with 140+ lbs of kit. It sucked for me when I was in, and I’m 6’3”, and around 200lbs. Some jobs they can do, but not front line combat jobs, they’re not physically capable of it.


66 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:52 PM PST by mikefive (RLTW)
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To: NormsRevenge
I agree. They want "equality", then they can die in a foxhole just like I can. They can be taken as a POW just like I can and receive the same treatment.

But, that's after they stop lowering the requirements for females to graduate from BCT.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


67 posted on 11/27/2012 4:35:37 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That means I wouldn’t qualify. I haven’t been able to run well since I was 15, and I’ve never had good strength. I’d wash out of basic.


68 posted on 11/27/2012 5:13:24 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: NormsRevenge

In other news, ESPN predicts there will be no female players drafted in the 2013 NFL draft!


69 posted on 11/27/2012 5:33:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: A Navy Vet

They put the women’s base basketball team in the old men league (over 35) at one base and they never won a game. They quit after ten losses.

It will be the same in combat. No unit would want to lose to women so they would fight harder. I heard this is the reason the Israelis pulled their all female unit out of the front line. They do mostly guard duty. It was just a PR stunt.


70 posted on 11/27/2012 6:55:55 PM PST by USAF80
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To: NormsRevenge

Works for me. Put them on point. Let them “Be All They Can Be”. If they want to be combat, put them out first to get the first bullet on patrol. Then let’s see how the ACLU and feminists think about that.


71 posted on 11/27/2012 7:04:41 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: xzins

All the major professional sports are separated by gender, soccer, tennis, golf, basketball, baseball, etc. The reason is men would dominate, the women would never win. The only time coed sports work is with children because the girls are bigger under a certain age.

Why in the heck our politicians and the ACLU think that combat, where you can get killed or maimed is somehow different. Women will hold their own for a while but they will get overwhelmed eventually.


72 posted on 11/27/2012 7:08:59 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Repeat Offender
"Fleet Dodgers."

In my era Navy (1975-1987), Fleet Dodgers were women on support ships who either purposefully got pregnant or whined about their female problems. At the time, it was about 5-7% of the women on support ships which the men had to take up the slack. This was before women being assigned to combat vessels, so have no idea about today.

THE most amazing thing to me is the Submarine Fleet even considering putting women on submarines. I can't see how that could possibly work with the limited space.

73 posted on 11/27/2012 7:16:16 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: mikefive
And ONE more Ranger/SF weighs in.

Women just don't have it, not matter how butch they are.

Still, I agree with the ACLU and say put them on point like every other private. Let them get full of wholes and lose their limbs on the same basis as our male military. Let them die at the same level.

They want equality...well, there it is. I've lost all interest in protecting women. They want to die and lose their eyesight, half their brains, and limbs for their country, so be it. I will respect them for doing such, but never understand why this Nation allowed such.

74 posted on 11/27/2012 7:29:05 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: USAF80
" No unit would want to lose to women so they would fight harder. I heard this is the reason the Israelis pulled their all female unit out of the front line."

That is EXACTLY why the Israelis pulled their women from combat units. It simply didn't work, as hard core as Israeli women are. Hopefully, we will eventually learn, and our women are nowhere near as defensive as Israeli women.

75 posted on 11/27/2012 7:46:04 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Judge should throw it out. Executive branch authority to decide how to conduct wars.


76 posted on 11/27/2012 8:00:00 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m really torn on this one! On the one hand, my practical side, serving 32 years in a support role in the military, I find the mere idea of women in combat roles distressing. It is a rare women who could meet all the requirements and would still be the ultimate disruption.

On the other hand, I’ve always thought that, especially to our current terrorist enemies, whole platoons of just women with their PMS cycles synchronized could be the most terrifying weapon we could deploy. Decisions, decisions.


77 posted on 11/27/2012 8:00:43 PM PST by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: ansel12

“The problem is that you destroy the military in doing that, you get everyone killed and we lose the war, and America ceases to exist.”

Perhaps that’s why the Obammunists are working to achieve exactly that end, right now...


78 posted on 11/27/2012 8:38:01 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: ansel12

“All soldiers matter, the military matters, the success or failure of the military matters, the efficiency of the military matters, the survival of the nation matters.”

You’d never know it today; the nation is dying while the military moves on. Military operations have become completely detached from civilian life; there is no rationing, even few news stories, that indicate we are at war.


79 posted on 11/28/2012 3:45:28 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: A Navy Vet; USAF80

First, we don’t put women in combat because a nation must win its wars. There is no 2nd place in warfare. You either win or you are conquered.

Second, real men don’t view women as cannon fodder no matter how stupid the women are behaving.

Third, men + women = sex. And sexual relationships are a force detractor not a force multiplier. The detriments range from rivalries to pregnancies to favoritism. Rivalries and favoritism cause dissension in your force. Pregnancies (generally on purpose) deplete your force as the pregnant ones are removed without replacements showing up for long periods of time, resulting in under-manned units.

Fourth, physical ability. You can carry a wounded her off the battlefield, but she can’t carry you. Again, demoralization of troops will result.


80 posted on 11/28/2012 4:53:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Your posts are kind of weird, this doesn’t sound like a good topic for you.


81 posted on 11/28/2012 10:04:17 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

You’re probably right; the last military people I knew left over a decade ago. It isn’t a bad topic for me; it isn’t a topic at all.


82 posted on 11/28/2012 2:23:01 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

The topic is real and important, just probably not for you.


83 posted on 11/28/2012 2:49:05 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

Understood.


84 posted on 11/28/2012 7:41:26 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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