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Jon Kyl, Kay Bailey Hutchison Unveil Alternative To DREAM Act
ABC News - Univision ^ | November 27, 2012 | Jordon Fabian

Posted on 11/27/2012 1:07:35 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

.....The bill, introduced by Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) and Jon Kyl (R-Texas) and dubbed the ACHIEVE Act, would offer a pathway to permanent residency to young undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. by their parents who are seeking a higher education or military service. The bill stops short of providing a separate pathway to citizenship.

.... Kyl and Hutchison said, however, that they have been working on the bill for about one year, well before the contours of the election took shape in full.

To be eligible for legal status under the ACHIEVE Act, an applicant must have lived in the U.S. for the past five years, been brought to the U.S. before the age of 14 and be no older than 28, and have no criminal record. Applicants must pay a fee, undergo a background check and provide proof they know English. In return they would receive a new type of nonimmigrant visa (W-1) that would grant legal status to seek a degree or military service.

They would not be eligible for federal public welfare benefits or other government assistance, including federal student loans. Immigrants who complete a degree within six years or serve four years in the military would be eligible for a four-year nonimmigrant work visa and upon the completion of that, could obtain a permanent nonimmigrant visa.

Immigrants would not be granted a pathway to citizenship beyond what already exists for nonimmigrant visa holders (marriage of a U.S. citizen or obtaining a green card).

The proposal is similar to the DREAM Act, a decade-old proposal which failed to pass Congress in 2010, but differs in that it does not provide a special pathway to citizenship.

"Today's Kyl/Hutchinson presser makes it clear that #ACHIEVE is no #DREAM Act. No path to citizenship, only second-class legal status," tweeted immigration policy analyst Phil Wolgin.......

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; achieveact; aliens; breaking; dreamact; hutchison; immigration; kyl; senators; taxus; texas

1 posted on 11/27/2012 1:07:40 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No


2 posted on 11/27/2012 1:12:49 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

either way, its the end of the GOP


3 posted on 11/27/2012 1:13:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Both senators are leaving in January. Time to leave their mark.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 1:17:24 PM PST by Sybeck1 (When do the vodka rations start?)
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To: fatnotlazy
provide proof they know English

oh that is a well defined requirement...

5 posted on 11/27/2012 1:18:00 PM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yeah, THIS will get Hispanics on board with the GOP - NOT.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 1:19:07 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They can’t just GO into retirement without mendacious meddling.


7 posted on 11/27/2012 1:20:25 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GeronL

Yup. At the speed the republicans are caving in to the godless socialists on every front, the gop is pretty much useless.

Long live the tea party!


8 posted on 11/27/2012 1:20:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It sounds pretty good to me.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 1:21:08 PM PST by Venturer
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10 posted on 11/27/2012 1:21:31 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GeronL
either way, its the end of the GOP

Indeed....they've been "withering on the vine" for a long time now.

What is our alternative though?

We have to create a viable alternative party or some how take over the GOP and return it to Conservative principles.

All I'm seeing right now is a dedicated left smelling blood in the water and going after R's with a vengeance....and the R's bending over and taking it.

11 posted on 11/27/2012 1:21:38 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Venturer
It sounds pretty good to me.

You must have read it.

It appears that the Dems don't like it.

12 posted on 11/27/2012 1:23:52 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More and more it looks like the GOP’s answer to losing the election is turn themselves into democrats.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 1:24:56 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Fast and Furious , Benghazi - What's 0bama's current body count?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

KBH - please go away...


14 posted on 11/27/2012 1:26:26 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Dems don’t like it because it makes sense.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 1:26:59 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Las Vegas Ron; EternalVigilance

I don’t know. We will need a real party with the ability to keep ballot access... (at least 5% in most states)


16 posted on 11/27/2012 1:27:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When will a Republican unveil the ARREST Act, and the DEPORT Act?


17 posted on 11/27/2012 1:27:48 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

And Democrats continue to move Left when they win and even in 2010 when the GOP wins. They are never cowed by losses. They are passionate about their moonbattery, like all idiotic leftists are. There’s no real give and take at all between the parties. The Dems take and GOP gives and never any other combination. The GOP may as well not even be there for all the heft they bring to Washington. They could just send in cardboard figures and we’d probably get better results.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 1:28:12 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can’t even write to Kyl now. The e-mails come back w/o answers stating that his office is closing and they are filing the records. This is just a ‘Big Show’ in their part. They had the opportunity for at least the last six years to do something. I hope that Flake is not truly a flake.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 1:29:06 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Buffalo Bob

Proof that the Republicans aren’t looking out for us.

I’ve had enough of the whole lot of them. They don’t get that nothing short of deportation and sealing our borders is acceptable.

We need a new truly conservative party.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 1:31:34 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Byron York wrote a column last week about the role of the Hispanic vote in the election. Romney still would have lost if he got over 60% of the Hispanic vote. Romney lost because he did not get enough white people to vote for him in the battleground states. The GOP should stop kissing brown ass and they should stop treating “old white men” with disrespect. There were a lot of old white guys who stayed home on November 6 and that cost Romney the election.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 1:33:35 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Geez. No dream(nightmare for us)act. Send them packing.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 1:37:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GeronL
I don’t know. We will need a real party with the ability to keep ballot access... (at least 5% in most states)

I don't know what is so hard about closing the borders, denying the public trough to non-citizens, aggressively going after companies that hire illegals, taxing heavily monies transferred out of this Country to Mexico...other then the fact they believe they can't get re elected advocating for those things.

Close the primaries, hold the primaries on the same day throughout the States, TERM LIMITS, no Congressional pensions or special health care.

Which tells me what the game really is, and it ain't about what is good for the Country.

/rant and dreams.

23 posted on 11/27/2012 1:38:32 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Worried about the next election? Import more voters. :D


24 posted on 11/27/2012 1:55:31 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The GOP can open the floodgates for illegals, but
all it will do is create a floodgate of Democratic voters.
In addition, conservatives will stay home, and start prepping
for the coming collapse, no matter what.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 1:56:32 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

here’s my problem with both of these senators

I believe they are dishonest

I believe they are dishonest in the following sense

1. they know they will not get a majority behind the bill in the U.S. Senate - as they have crafted it - without Dim inserted amendments that will weaken some of the bill’s restrictions, with the affect of converting the bill into a modified “dream act”, and

2. they also know they will vote in favor of that modified bill because they are incapable of standing up - against the Democrats and their media - for any of their own principles for which they have written some of the restrictions in their bill - they know they will cave instead of stand tall

it would have been more honest for them to simply switch parties and admit that’s what they want to do

last of all

any provisions about going to college have nothing to do with education = it’s another gift to the education industrial complex, trying to buy their support

but education has nothing, in terms of possible sacrifce for the nation that military service has, and should not be given as an equal status on this issue as military service


26 posted on 11/27/2012 1:56:44 PM PST by Wuli
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To: forgotten man

Here’s the deal. There are around ten states today where a Republican contender needs to win...against the likely Democratic states (you know them so I don’t need to repeat them). Well...the Latino populations are escalating. In Colorado...there are 404k potential Latino voters. If you could take two-thirds in a political run....you likely win the state of Colorado. There are 45k Latino potential voters in Alabama. Nevada counts twenty-six percent of it’s state vote as potential Latino voter.

So the bottom line is this....you can stay on the current line and accept a presidential loss in 2016, 2020, and 2024. You can complain about how things didn’t work right, or the media was corrupt, or whatever. But it’s strictly numbers in the end. Either you carry a majority via the Electoral College, or you just get use to the loser-status.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 2:29:21 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

KBH is leaving! KBH is leaving! No one will miss her, but she wants to leave a little bit of mischief behind just in case a few do remember her.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 2:30:24 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Wuli

And you may be right

I don’t want to EVER give these people citizenship

but what do we do with them?
We can say all day how wrong it is that they are evern here and that we were stupid to give them so many bennies for so many years

yes we were stupud

but WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM NOW?

I’d like to think there is a way to send them all back
denying them any benefits except emergency medial care may be a start
but can you imagine the outcry?


29 posted on 11/27/2012 2:32:55 PM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: GeronL

“either way, its the end of the GOP”

I know and that is why people need to not think about who should get nominated in the next election that won’t get nominated anyways, but on creating a new party. I am done with the GOP and was the moment Mitt Romney won the primary.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 2:34:52 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Jon Kyl (R-Texas)

When did John Kyl move to Texas?? Or did Arizona became part of Texas??

31 posted on 11/27/2012 2:58:41 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: pepsionice

what makes you think hispanic citizens are for this?


32 posted on 11/27/2012 5:04:34 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

Anything that is not 100% Deportation is Amnesty

The Liberal RINOs really think we are that stupid?


33 posted on 11/27/2012 6:41:43 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They would not be eligible for federal public welfare benefits or other government assistance, including federal student loans.

I don't suppose any of these folks would realize they could get around the forbidden welfare benefits problem by creating an actual American citizen child who would be eligible for all those bennies and more. And why don't these folks ever stipulate the amount of "fee" or "fine" they have in mind? Why not just state the fine will be $100,000 and see the reaction from the pro-lawbreaking crowd?

34 posted on 11/27/2012 7:02:50 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: ExCTCitizen
When did John Kyl move to Texas?? Or did Arizona became part of Texas??

Everyone is packing up and moving to Texas.

:)

35 posted on 11/28/2012 12:13:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Wuli; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Jim Robinson; Liz; La Lydia
Immigrants would not be granted a pathway to citizenship beyond what already exists for nonimmigrant visa holders (marriage of a U.S. citizen or obtaining a green card).

I don't know if Kyl and Hutchison are dumb or dishonest. Dems would certainly add a path-to-citizenship amendment. As you wrote:

1. they know they will not get a majority behind the bill in the U.S. Senate - as they have crafted it - without Dim inserted amendments that will weaken some of the bill’s restrictions, with the affect of converting the bill into a modified “dream act”, and

2. they also know they will vote in favor of that modified bill because they are incapable of standing up - against the Democrats and their media - for any of their own principles for which they have written some of the restrictions in their bill - they know they will cave instead of stand tall.

They can't quite admit in public that amnestied illegals would vote overwhelmingly for Dems, so they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship.

36 posted on 11/28/2012 6:25:32 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: WashingtonSource

” The GOP may as well not even be there for all the heft they bring to Washington”

If we paid them extra to stay home, then they would be unable to cave in.


37 posted on 11/28/2012 7:15:08 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

” they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship. “

That seems to be the game plan.....as if the Dems would not grant it anyway.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 7:16:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs
They can't quite admit in public that amnestied illegals would vote overwhelmingly for Dems, so they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship.

you miss the point...even if the new *citizens* vote 10:1 dim, *we* still get that one 'R' vote in the bank...and every 'R' vote indeed equals more ticket and popcorn sales for Mr McMahon...

the merchandising of the movie rights and action figures is simply a bit of extra gravy for the stars too...

39 posted on 11/28/2012 7:20:03 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs

Mr McMahon = uncle Sam...in case theres any confusion... 8^}


40 posted on 11/28/2012 7:21:19 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Wuli; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Liz; La Lydia
RE :”I don't know if Kyl and Hutchison are dumb or dishonest. Dems would certainly add a path-to-citizenship amendment.”

Stealing my line ? I usually say both.

As you know they are terrified now, they see the house on fire and so they (in their view) don't care about water/mold damage to it from flooding it.

I remember one freeper saying recently :
We must pass immigration reform RIGHT now and pray that it's enough

I replied to her :”That's called a prayer for the Dead

Repeating SOL's reform plan:

1) Give them 1 year green card if they register and get photoed and fingerprinted.
2) For the next year they must report income that puts them in the top Fed tax bracket and pay , and so it must be earned income (using today's rules).
3) If they dont then boot them out on April 16th
4) If they do this for 5 years let them apply for US citizenship if they want.

They wont support Dems after that, but Dems would scream 'unfair' if this plan ever came up.

41 posted on 11/28/2012 8:15:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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