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US Navy moves to replace presidential helicopters
breitbart.com ^ | 11/27/12 | AFP

Posted on 11/27/2012 2:10:15 PM PST by ColdOne

The Pentagon has launched a new project to replace the aging helicopters used by the US president, three years after a program was canceled due to surging costs.

The next generation of Marine One choppers used by the White House incumbent would start flying in 2020, replacing the current fleet of 19 Vh-3D Sea Kings and VH-60N Night Hawks manufactured by Sikorsky.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hmx1; navair

1 posted on 11/27/2012 2:10:18 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Why do they need 19 or 25 or 28 copters for one president? I know some people have to travel with him, but how many people and how many copters would be in use at one time?

Just curious.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 2:17:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: ColdOne

Why not CH-47 “Shithooks,” seems appropriate to me, because of all the **** he has thrown our way. IMHO.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 2:18:39 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Spares and Decoys for security.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 2:19:44 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: ColdOne

They need to be wind or solar powered.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 2:21:00 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ColdOne
Zero is wearing them out prematurely! He's in the air every week, and often more than once. It takes a minimum of three when he flies out of the White Hut, and they also get ferried by big USAF haulers all over the world. I feel sorry for the crews who are bound to get tired and over used!


6 posted on 11/27/2012 2:21:11 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: ColdOne

Maybe his muslim colleagues can give him a flying carpet or two?


7 posted on 11/27/2012 2:43:45 PM PST by null and void (Knowledge increases exponentially, wisdom increases logarithmically.)
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To: null and void

Can I design Omoslem’s new helicopter fleet?

My design looks like a stack of flying carpets.

Big enough to carry the First Camel around the caliphate, helping al qaeda.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 2:46:38 PM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: ColdOne

IIRC part of the reasons to scrap the original contract was that it was going to be awarded to a European company (Westland?) for their EH-101 medium helocopter.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 2:47:17 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: txnativegop

“In a draft request for proposals, the US Navy said it wanted to buy 25 helicopters and to integrate advanced communications equipment into a chopper that is already operational, instead of building an entirely new aircraft.”

Why not buy existing aircraft ‘off the shelf’, and send them to NARF at Cherry Point to install all the bells and whistles they want. It seems that a lot of the cost overruns occur when a new ‘improved’ item/device has to be integrated into an existing airframe, and it requires major redesign or changes.


10 posted on 11/27/2012 3:05:02 PM PST by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Ed Condon

“NARF” is no more, it is now ‘Fleet Readiness Center East.’


11 posted on 11/27/2012 3:14:59 PM PST by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
"Why do they need 19 or 25 or 28 copters for one president? I know some people have to travel with him, but how many people and how many copters would be in use at one time?"

How else can they spend $1.5B a year carting the presidents family around each year!

12 posted on 11/27/2012 3:29:57 PM PST by Average Al
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To: ColdOne

Osprey.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 3:34:50 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

;)!!!!!!!


14 posted on 11/27/2012 3:36:34 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: ColdOne

Wait a minute........I thought there are massive Defense cuts on the horizon! Oh, I guess the Military can spend more money as long as it is for The Won.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 3:41:25 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Right Wing Assault

They are positioned at various places where the Prez frequently flies.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 4:22:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Every time I see those choppers or AFOne, I think to myself, “You know, ole Joe wouldn’t be all that bad as president. He makes us laugh.”


17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:33:14 PM PST by WVNan
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To: ColdOne

The next generation of Marine One choppers used by the White House incumbent would start flying in 2020....

***
Which will still be Dear Leader.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 4:34:26 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: ColdOne

IMHO, a POTOS should fly incognito on standard military planes. I would think the ideal would be back seat of a Super Hornet. There should also be some transport aircraft just decked out with nice chairs.

Same deal in terms of multiple copies so they can be available wherever needed in the world; each command could have it’s own Presidential unit.

For POTUS Presidential comm, just have the planes outfitted with a comm system that’s real simple that communicates with a distributed network of comm hubs on the ground, so talking to any one of them is all that’s needed.

Also, the plane’s normal comm is there as a final backup for issuing a go/nogo command if necessary.

That’s a much smarter and lower cost way to go, IMHO, all it needs is the custom comm system.

Keep all the fancy stuff of AF1 out of the picture.

If it’s just normal travel, the transport with the comfortable seats can be used. Ditch all that chef and fancy meals; keep it simple. Of course, all the hangers-on would not like riding in AF1 then, but that would be better, IMHO.

The idea of staying aloft for a long time does not buy much, IMHO. I would think a quick getaway and the ability to land at a military base is most important.

I think it’s clear from 9/11 that even if comm had worked, the rest of the leadership of the Exec and Legis branch of government, not in the plane, feels leaderless. The POTUS just has to get somewhere and get back in the game. The idea of floating around in the big bird for hour after hour did not work out well - the nation waited, wondering where POTUS was. And everyone knows the plane can’t stay up there forever. And it’s a big, slow bird, IMHO, even with whatever it’s got.

I’m just a laymen, though, so I can’t say that this idea is good or bad from a professional’s point of view.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 4:44:01 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: null and void
BHK has the CINC flight jacket, took down Osama, etc, etc. Shucks, he don't need no AF jagoffs, he can fly solo for cheap!

Nice comfy lawn chair, some pakolo, now that's flyin'!

20 posted on 11/27/2012 4:59:18 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: ColdOne

Call me when the US Navy decides to be patriots and replaces the President.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 5:04:26 PM PST by dforest
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To: Right Wing Assault

HMX-1 provides rotary winged transport to the entire Executive Branch of the government not just the POTUS. Maintenance on those helicopters is over and above what one normally encounters with one being flown in the FMF. If the POTUS flies from the White House to Andrews and then wants helicopters in London for a State visit that’s a total of six. Plus you need aircraft for training and keeping your pilots current. That doesn’t even take into account the birds used to haul around the press and the clingons.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 5:43:12 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: ColdOne
Replace the 19 VH-3D and 16 VH-60 helicopters with some good, new production Russian Mil Mi-8T “Hip” transports. They are work horses and half the cost of our birds. That's good enough for the Dear Leader usurper. While we're at it, hire a bunch of Russian crews to fly them in the interests of closer ties to Putin.
23 posted on 11/27/2012 6:12:57 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Sergio
IIRC part of the reasons to scrap the original contract was that it was going to be awarded to a European company (Westland?) for their EH-101 medium helocopter.

That was what Sikorsky's paid shills said, but it would actually have been built by Lockheed-Martin.

True the US101 was based on the Augusta-Westland 101.

However Sikorsky's "all-American" alternative S-92 had

Sikorsky of the USA would have contributed the power train and assembly Exactly what Lockheed Martin would have done on the US101
24 posted on 11/27/2012 7:29:11 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (By doubting we come to inquiry, and through inquiry we perceive truth. -; Peter Abelard)
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To: editor-surveyor
They are positioned at various places where the Prez frequently flies.

The names of those places?

As a matter of fact birds are based at Quantico and Anacostia only.

25 posted on 11/28/2012 6:08:32 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Before they shut TI and Alameda down, there used to be one in the Bay Area.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 6:27:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PieterCasparzen
There should also be some transport aircraft just decked out with nice chairs. Same deal in terms of multiple copies so they can be available wherever needed in the world; each command could have it’s own Presidential unit.

Just set it up so you can slide the POTUS box in the back, and plug the unit in. One box, multiple airframes.

27 posted on 11/28/2012 6:33:37 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: editor-surveyor

Due to security and maintenance requirements whiteside birds are only prepositioned at Anacostia and Quantico and that has been SOP ever since HMX-1 became solely responsible for the executive flight mission in 1976.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 7:51:58 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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