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Appeals Court Upholds N.Y. Concealed-Carry Law
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 11/27/12 | Dan Strumpf

Posted on 11/27/2012 2:18:53 PM PST by AtlasStalled

A federal appeals court has upheld a New York State law limiting concealed-carry gun ownership, rejecting arguments that the law violates the Second Amendment right to bear arms. * * * To get a concealed-carry permit in New York, a gun owner must show “proper cause,” defined as “a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community or of persons engaged in the same profession.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 11/27/2012 2:18:59 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Any other ruling would screw up the Sullivan Law of 1911.
Section 400 New York Penal Law. We mustn’t have that.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 2:22:12 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: AtlasStalled

These courts are going to fight that pesky 2nd amendment to the bitter end.

The Heller decision only pertained to carrying a gun in your HOME? Good Lord! What happens if you get caught carrying a 17 oz. soft drink outside your home?


3 posted on 11/27/2012 2:25:36 PM PST by beelzepug ("Why bother creating wealth when you can just redistribute it?")
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To: AtlasStalled
To get a concealed-carry permit in New York, a gun owner must show “proper cause"...

New Jersey has the same kind of provision, which effectively bars the unconnected from their Second Amendment right to self-defense. Your cause or reason is never sufficient.

4 posted on 11/27/2012 2:26:26 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: AtlasStalled
These guys were all obviously mob lawyers before arriving on the bench.

Might be worth some prisoner somewhere filing an appeal of his sentence because the judge was incompetent as counsel due to his or her affiliations with organized crime.

5 posted on 11/27/2012 2:29:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: AtlasStalled

Westchester County requires a permit holders to recertify his permit every 5 years for a $10.00 fee. There is also a rule that if your pistol is loaded and unlocked it must be within immediate reaching distance even in your home. If you go to kitchen for a drink and leave your loaded, unlocked pistol in the bedroom you have committed a misdemeanor. The Liberals in Westchester are always trying to find ways to get around the second amendment without attacking it directly. They also pressure the local representatives to stop the gun shows at the county center.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 2:38:35 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: AtlasStalled
You would need police to enforce this, so there's no need to be concerned. They always respect the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens.

(do I really need the '/s'?)

7 posted on 11/27/2012 2:49:16 PM PST by Ken H
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To: AtlasStalled
Let me try a re-write of this law:

"a gun owner woman seeking an abortion must show “proper cause,” defined as “a special need for self-protection terminating a pregnancy distinguishable from that of the general community or of persons engaged in the same profession.”

There... I'm sure the courts would strike down THIS law... even though a Constitutional right isn't at stake.

8 posted on 11/27/2012 3:05:35 PM PST by alancarp (Liberals: making promises that no one's wallet can keep,)
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To: AtlasStalled

“the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED


9 posted on 11/27/2012 3:11:56 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Do the bodyguards of the politicians, the wealthy and the well-connected have to show “proper cause” for carrying concealed?

And if so, what is their “proper cause”? Is it perhaps that the lives they are paid to protect are of higher value than those of the average citizen who are not allowed to possess a firearm?

And who is it that assigns a value on an individual’s life?


10 posted on 11/27/2012 3:14:27 PM PST by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: AtlasStalled

what’s next... lets imagine...

a citizen must show “proper cause” to exercise their right to free speech, and to get a permit to talk unless “ a special need for self-protection” is called for?


11 posted on 11/27/2012 3:28:49 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: 353FMG

“Is it perhaps that the lives they are paid to protect are of higher value than those of the average citizen who are not allowed to possess a firearm?”

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait until Mau-Mau Buckwheat stacks his obumacare death panels with black racists. Their sole purpose will be to condemn old white guys to death because their lives have no value.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 3:33:03 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: AtlasStalled

A decision like this is why the judiciary in this country should be considered nothing more than BLACK ROBED TERRORISTS!


13 posted on 11/27/2012 4:33:14 PM PST by government is the beast (In the last century, an estimated 262 million people have been murderd by their own government)
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To: AtlasStalled

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/11/court-of-appeals-panel-upholds-constitutionality-of-ny-restrictions-on-conceal

“The three-judge panel of the court’s Second Circuit, noting that “New York’s efforts in regulating the possession and use of firearms predate the Constitution” and continued with the 1911 Sullivan Law, said none of the plaintiffs demonstrated a qualifying need for self-protection beyond that of any other member of the public.”

Unbelievable. In other words, NY existed and had gun laws before the Constitution was ratified so the Constitution doesn’t have to be followed on this issue. They are essentially saying the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply. Leave it to a liberal judge.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 4:34:12 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2

Why anyone would live or even go visit ny is beyond me.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 4:43:10 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: sergeantdave

America had better realize that it deserves whoever they put in office whether they are RAT or GOP clowns or POTUS.

Nobody forced the present administration on the American people but the results will be devastating all the same.

(Thank you Lord that my C.I.C was Ike Eisenhower.)


16 posted on 11/27/2012 4:50:20 PM PST by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: AtlasStalled

In other words, only members of the ruling class need apply.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:53:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: AtlasStalled
that's BS, it all depends on the judge... in my county almost everybody has a CCW, and the new judge is an NRA Life Member
18 posted on 11/27/2012 5:38:14 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: AtlasStalled

the Supreme court is going to strike it down...


19 posted on 11/27/2012 5:38:14 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: AtlasStalled

Clearly, the judges had their heads up their collective assh*les and took a p*ss on the constitution.

Happens all the time in Leftist enclaves.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 5:44:17 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: bicyclerepair

“Why anyone would live or even go visit ny is beyond me.”

Get a good ways out of NYC (it’s a big state), and there’s some remarkably beautiful country (few places I’ve been to as beautiful as Columbia county) and quite conservative folks (who have as little use for the “city-ots” as you do.

BTW, I don’t live in NY state, but when I go out on the Harley for a ride, upstate is where I head. Spent years of my working career in a freight yard in the worst section of the South Bronx, and much more going in and out of Manhattan each day. And I don’t have any desire to go back to the city, either.

On the other hand, I lived in Florida as a youth, and can’t see any reason why I’d want to go back. Flat, hot, awful!


21 posted on 11/27/2012 7:46:08 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: ColdSteelTalon
ColdSteelTalon said: "the Supreme court is going to strike it down..."

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court as it might exist two years from now might NOT strike it down.

22 posted on 11/27/2012 7:48:29 PM PST by William Tell
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To: 353FMG
Nobody forced the present administration on the American people but the results will be devastating all the same.

I disagree. The MSM, by actively protecting candidate and president Obama, from all criticism and negative stories about him, effectively foisted him on us.

The MSM is the active agent in this travesty.

23 posted on 11/28/2012 6:04:47 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Whatever role the biased MSM has played in the re-election of Obama does not excuse the the ignorance and naivete of the American voter.

The simple fact is that the recipients of government largesse outnumber and outbreed the producers. This process will have an upward trend from now on, so draw your own conclusions.

To paraphrase Reagan — you ain’t seen nothing yet.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 1:03:36 PM PST by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: 353FMG; All
Whatever role the biased MSM has played in the re-election of Obama does not excuse the the ignorance and naivete of the American voter.

"Excuse" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. I am saying the election was lost because the electorate was deliberately misled and lied to. That requires a considerably different response than if the electorate made decisions base on fact.

One requires that we find ways to get the truth to the electorate. The other implies that we can do nothing.

25 posted on 11/28/2012 1:23:01 PM PST by marktwain
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