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Utah Voter Turnout One Of Lowest In Country [Utah in bottom 10 of eligible voters staying home]
MidUtahRadio.com ^ | Nov. 27, 2012 | Duke Dance

Posted on 11/27/2012 2:56:31 PM PST by Colofornian

The number of Utah citizens going to the polls continues to drop. The “Salt Lake Tribune” reports that while election officials point to 80 percent voter turnout across the state, that number only reflects registered voters, and doesn’t include more than half-a-million Utahns who are eligible to vote but not registered. Overall, the number of people in the state who cast ballots in the presidential election was 57 percent. That’s basically the same number as the 2008 election, when Utah placed 9th lowest in the country in voter turnout.


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From the article: The “Salt Lake Tribune” reports that while election officials point to 80 percent voter turnout across the state, that number only reflects registered voters, and doesn’t include more than half-a-million Utahns who are eligible to vote but not registered. Overall, the number of people in the state who cast ballots in the presidential election was 57 percent. That’s basically the same number as the 2008 election, when Utah placed 9th lowest in the country in voter turnout.

So essentially Utah's socio-political worldview is largely an "opt out" one; and even when 60% Mormon Utah gets one of "their own" in there...as was the case with Mitt Romney...it doesn't increase the turnout (or registration) -- of Lds ...or other Utah residents.

And so whereas there were at least five post-Election Day threads on the false info that Evangelicals supposedly "stayed home"...which compared to both previous elections and other voting groups...they did not...Mormons apparently weren't inspired by Mitt anymore than they were McCain...

And, in fact, per Pew Forum, Lds voted a tick more for Obama in 2012 than white Evangelicals! (78-21% for Lds vs. 79-20% for white Evangelicals)

1 posted on 11/27/2012 2:56:37 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

LOL! Even Mormons were disgusted with their liberal Mormon candidate.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 3:00:45 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Colofornian

The article’s numbers don’t make sense. I have little confidence they are correct.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 3:04:14 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Colofornian

This may explain why Mia Love lost. What a disappointment.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 3:25:42 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: AlmaKing
The article’s numbers don’t make sense. I have little confidence they are correct.

Well, I crunched the #s...you might be on to something that may place Utah more in the middle of the pack...

Per the Salt Lake Trib, as of January 2012, 23.4% of voting-eligible adults in Utah were NOT registered to vote:
One of every four Utah adults not registered to vote

In sheer numbers, that comes out to approximately 470,000 Utahns (out of 1.94 million voting eligible adults)

So, if say we cornered 1,000 perfectly representable Utahns.

At least 234 of them would not be registered (I say "at least" because that 470,000 Utahns could be 474,500 as the article used a round number)...

Of the remaining 766 of that 1,000-person pool -- all of whom are registered -- at least 153 of them didn't vote.

So 234 + 153 = 387 ... that would mean at best, Utah could have mustered no more than a 61.3% turnout...which is better than the 57% mentioned in the article.

Not sure how 61% would compare to other states...

And not sure what numbers were crunched to get the 57% figure...

At the very least, we can say that...
(a)...at least 470,000 voting-eligible Utahns are NOT registered to vote;
and (b)...at least 294,000 registered Utah voters did NOT vote in the 2012 presidential election!

That's at least 764,000 Utah residents...over 3/4 of a million!

If only 55% of them were Lds (Utah is 60% Lds), that's over 400,000 Mormons NOT voting when a Mormon ran for POTUS!

Based on extrapolating these numbers, you could easily toss in at least another 100,000 Mormons in OTHER states who likewise didn't vote...And Mitt could have drawn another half-a-million votes if he had only secured his "home base" of Mormons!

5 posted on 11/27/2012 3:32:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Bottom 10 in voter turnout...top 4 in well-managed...maybe the dumber voters are staying home


6 posted on 11/27/2012 3:36:01 PM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: ghost of nixon
Bottom 10 in voter turnout...top 4 in well-managed...maybe the dumber voters are staying home

Let's say that Utah voters voted proportionately per their Mormon and non-Mormon status.

That would mean that of the 1.47 million Utah voters in the 2012 election, approximately 882,000 were Lds.

We know from the Pew exit polls that NATIONWIDE, 21% of Mormons voted for Obama...Even if that was less true in Utah (vs. Mormons in other states), you have about 175,000 Utah Mormons who voted for Obama...

How "smart" was that???

7 posted on 11/27/2012 3:45:18 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: ghost of nixon; All
Also, how "sad" is it that in the alleged "Year of the Mormon" and "The Mormon Moment," that it looks like the Mormons couldn't even get 900,000 Lds to the polls in Utah! (Let alone a million!)

Perhaps the BEST spin on this from a Mormon perspective is that many Mormons didn't see Mitt as conservative...and therefore, they stayed home.

8 posted on 11/27/2012 3:48:00 PM PST by Colofornian
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THX 1138


9 posted on 11/27/2012 3:53:11 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian

The base wasnt excited because the opponent picked our candidate for us.

Time to leave the Republican Party. Or more correctly they left us.


10 posted on 11/27/2012 3:54:04 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Colofornian
Utah is dominated by one group, the LDS church. There is no real incentive to bother to register or to vote as everyone knows the outcome of the elections will produce a candidate from that group who the vast majority of the population will agree with on the important issues.

I like Utah and I have lived in Utah but its demographics simply don't reflect the country as a whole and little can be learned about national voting patterns by looking at Utah IMHO

11 posted on 11/27/2012 3:54:41 PM PST by montanajoe
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FReepathon Day 58.

12 posted on 11/27/2012 4:02:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Colofornian
Ridiculous contention. Utah was no battleground; Romney was never going to lose Utah. What reason should they come out in droves? Do you think Mormons should be "identity" voters like the Dems think of all other groups?

Evangelicals on the sidelines in battleground states lose an election. Voters in a safe state not coming out any more than usual is meaningless.

13 posted on 11/27/2012 4:03:13 PM PST by newzjunkey (revue)
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To: newzjunkey
What reason should they come out in droves? Do you think Mormons should be "identity" voters like the Dems think of all other groups?

Good questions. Mormons ALREADY had displayed identity politics voting patterns specific to Romney:

#1: Per this 2008 exit poll data:

Exit poll data from Tuesday's primary elections showed Utah Republican voters cared more about presidential candidates' PERSONAL QUALITIES THAN THEIR POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES, the OPPOSITE OF THE NATIONAL TREND of the national trend in Super Tuesday voting.
Source: Romney's exit disappoints strong Utah following (Feb. 7, 2008 AP/Salt Lake Tribune)

IOW in 2008 whereas the nation was voting "issues" -- Utah voted per the "personal" personality characteristics of Romney, a fellow Mormon!

#2...Then, 'twas rather interesting that 94-95% of Mormons in both Utah and Nevada voted for Romney in 2008...[Nevada is 8% Mormon & a much higher pool % of Nevada Republicans]:

* 2008 (Utah) "While the former Massachusetts governor’s faith has been a flashpoint in his campaign, it was perhaps one of his strongest assets in Utah, where more than 60% of the state’s residents share his faith. Exit poll data shows Romney swept voters across the board, handily winning every social, economic, and generational demographic in the state, as well as 94% of all Mormon voters." (Susan Davis, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 5, 2008, Romney Wins Utah With Help From Friends [Note: The Wall Street Journal was citing MSNBC.msn.com...]

* 2008 (Nevada): Per the Mormon Church, Mormons make up about 7.5% of Nevada's population. But according to the entrance polls so far, a whopping 25% of those who participated in the state's GOP caucuses are Mormons. And 94% of those people went with Romney.
Source: Nevada Mormons turn out for Romney (Mark Murray, MSNBC, Jan. 19, 2008)

* 2008 (Arizona and Nevada): In the Nevada Republican caucuses last cycle, entrance polls found that a quarter — 26 percent — of participants were Mormons and 95 percent supported Romney. He won the state handily. The numbers were also impressive in Arizona, where exit polls showed 11 percent of voters were Mormon and 88 percent of them voted for Romney...
Source: Mitt Romney’s Mormon firewall

* 2012 (Nevada): According to exit polls conducted for the Associated Press, nine of 10 Mormon voters in Nevada supported Romney.
Source: Paul seeks to attract Mormon voters in Nevada GOP contest

Of course, the above was largely Republican Mormon voters...showing that Romney failed to draw the crossover Mormon Democrat and Mormon independent voters!

14 posted on 11/27/2012 4:13:19 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
The Utah voters were too busy jumping all over FReepers who refused to vote for Mitt to show up at the polls themselves!


15 posted on 11/27/2012 4:14:34 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: newzjunkey
Evangelicals on the sidelines in battleground states lose an election

Since Evangelicals turned out at least as well and even better than the previous two POTUS elections...why not "mainline Protestants" on sidelines or "Catholics" on sidelines?

Both of those groups declined significantly in 2012. White Catholics went from 19% of the 2008 pool to 18% in 2012...even tho the voting-age population went up!

So, shouldn't you be broader in that net you're casting?

16 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:15 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: newzjunkey; All
Utah was no battleground; Romney was never going to lose Utah. What reason should they come out in droves?

(Hey I should sick those FReepers who were contending that "every vote counts" and a "mandate" is helped via a higher vote count...as well as those FREEPERs urging others NOT to vote third party in obvious blue and red states...there were plenty who would disagree with your above assertion, even if I recognize what you're saying here)

17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:22:10 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
To paraphrase Trotsky: Utah voters may not be interested in FedGov, but FedGov is interested in them.

Conservatives can opt out in disgust...but they cannot hide.

18 posted on 11/27/2012 4:23:46 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: cicero2k
This may explain why Mia Love lost. What a disappointment.

Didn't she run against a white and delightsome, male, Mormon candidate? That might explain some of it.

19 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:04 PM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: newzjunkey

mormons are identity voters. They voted for Romney at about 95%.
obama won by more than 4.5 million plus votes (still counting) and by estimates three million ‘evangelicals’ stayed home, so even if they had all voted for Romney he still would have lost.
Romney lost because he was a terrible candidate.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 4:52:10 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Graybeard58; cicero2k; All
Didn't she run against a white and delightsome, male, Mormon candidate? That might explain some of it.

Well, per the longstanding Mormon narrative...whites, blacks, Native Americans, etc...were all "pre-existent spirits" on a planet near the star Kolob...

The Mormon jesus offered one plan of salvation for humankind; his just younger bro, the Mormon lucifer, offered another.

Lucifer got upset that the Mormon god declined his offer; and 1/3rd of these spirits supposedly rebelled along with Lucifer...

1/3rd remained faithful...

And the other 1/3rd? They supposedly were "neutral" -- less "valiant" ... and the Mormon 'god' then cursed them with darker skin...which the Book of Mormon promises to eventually become "white and delightsome" upon accepting the Mormon gospel and priesthood...

So Mia Love had her work cut out for her from the jumpstart vs. Mormon voters!!!

If you want to see one of the key theological traces of why Mormons sought to ban blacks from so many aspects of their faith, just do a Google search on the word "valiant" (and add the LDS acronym).

Even a year after the supposed doctrinal "change" (1979...the so-called "change" took place in 1978), we find this interesting paragraph in the back of the Mormon-published Bible (source LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 788 in back of Holy Bible published by Lds church, 1979):

"Although one-third of the spirits became devils, the remaining two-thirds were not all equally valiant, there being every degree of devotion to Christ and the Father among them. The most diligent were chosen to be rulers in the kingdom (Abr. 3:22-23). The nature of the conflict, however, is such that there could be no neutrals, then or now (Matt. 12:30; 1 Ne. 14:10; Alma 5:38-40)."

And that's where you get the 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd Mormon division: * 1/3rd became demonic spirits; * Of the remaining 2/3rds, the most faithful spirits became "good Mormons" on earth...some also then went on to become angels after being people who lived on earth; * The other group were so-called "neutrals"...And the Mormon narrative went -- that God cursed these neutral spirits with black skin for their lack of pre-existent "valor"

So, not only was all this above used to unfairly and prejudicially categorize an entire race of people, but it also actually became a base for prideful elitism among Lds general authorities. Why, they concluded, by very virtue of their leadership, they proclaimed how "valiant" their spirits must have been in the premortal life!

Pride fosters and feeds upon more pride!

Pride and Prejudice can sum up the entire foundation of the Mormon religion!

21 posted on 11/27/2012 4:52:15 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

Have you read the new numbers (’they’ are still counting) obama is now 4.5 million plus votes more than Romney so even if these mythical three million so called evangelicals had voted 100% for Romney he still would have lost.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 4:54:58 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39

23 posted on 11/27/2012 5:51:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

If a total of 2.5M more conservatives had bothered to vote in seven swing states, Romney would have won. Conservatives gave it to Obama instead.


24 posted on 11/27/2012 6:36:51 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Colofornian

State by State stats for 2010

It will be interesting to see a comparison for 2012 to see how they shifted.

25 posted on 11/27/2012 6:51:02 PM PST by deport
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To: Colofornian
Utah Voter Turnout One Of Lowest In Country..Mormons apparently weren't inspired by Mitt


26 posted on 11/27/2012 6:57:17 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: pabianice

“If a total of 2.5M more conservatives had bothered to vote in seven swing states, Romney would have won. Conservatives gave it to Obama instead.”

Conservatives didn’t have a dog in the hunt.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 7:01:52 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: pabianice; All
If a total of 2.5M more conservatives had bothered to vote in seven swing states, Romney would have won. Conservatives gave it to Obama instead.

Try looking at it this way:

Over 126 million voters voted for a liberal for POTUS...they either voted for Obama, or the over 1.2 mil for Gary Johnson, or the 1/2 mil for Green party Jill Stein, or Roseanne Barr, or Romney...
ALL five of them are liberals...

Only about 1/5th of 1% voted for the only true conservatives on the ballot...Virgil Goode, Tom Hoefling, and another 100,000 who voted for others not mentioned above.

So over 99.8% of voters voted for a liberal...
...a pro-abort...
...about 98.5% voted for a socialist pioneer healthcare promoter...

I think it's frankly quite amazing that you could get THAT MANY pro-lifers to vote for a pro-abort...

I think it's frankly quite amazing that you could get that MANY "conservative" voters to vote for candidates well to the left of LBJ...

So look at it this way: The RINOs gave a brand new "blank" the pro-life movement; "blank" the tea party look to its party.

Time for the GoP to splinter and go the way of the Whigs...

My GoP involvement expired in 2012 due to Romney, due to conservative Republicans abandonment of the pre-born, due to RINOism foisted upon us by the GoP-e...

And the 29% of the registration pool that call themselves "GoP" will continue to shrink in 2013 & beyond.

Bye, bye, GoP...a big liberal tent is still a big liberal tent.

28 posted on 11/27/2012 7:04:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Apparently, a substantial number of people, who stayed home, weren’t even registered to vote. I always find those people to be really interesting.

I would like to know why they don’t feel they have a “dog in the fight” when it comes to selecting people to represent them in Government. Have these people done something in their lives to avoid the constraints of bloated Government or is it some ideology/religion that stops them from going to the voting booth?

To me, anyone that didn’t vote against Obama, is a problem. Unfortunately, the majority of voters in the USA are a problem. So that means we have a huge problem in this country.

Obama is a symptom...a symptom of the larger population that produced him. He does represent a large number of people...most of them anti-constitution, anti-america, third world escapees, generational welfare recipients and most importantly, far left marxists and communists. Plus, the crowd that didn’t vote.

It could be that they don’t care. I know that you can’t fix stupid. But, not to fret...Obama will capitalize on his re-election and all of the rest will be history.

I apologize to my mom and dad, my grand kids, to everyone that ever fought for this country and to our founding fathers.

A lot of people tried to stop this...there just wasn’t enough of us left.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 7:38:16 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Colofornian
Based on extrapolating these numbers, you could easily toss in at least another 100,000 Mormons in OTHER states who likewise didn't vote...And Mitt could have drawn another half-a-million votes if he had only secured his "home base" of Mormons!

The mormons in my neighborhood are all liberal. Perhaps that's what's happening in Utah? They didn't want to go against the church so they stayed at home?

30 posted on 11/27/2012 8:02:32 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Psalm 144
Conservatives didn’t have a dog in the hunt.

Amen brother.

John McCain was the last liberal I voted for, put him beside Romney and McCain would look ultra conservative by comparison.

31 posted on 11/27/2012 8:38:25 PM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: Colofornian

Ironic - this country won’t be destroyed by some brutal outside conquorer or by sabotage from within, but by the inertia, passivity, and indifference of those basking in the liberty and comfort she provides - shameful......


32 posted on 11/27/2012 9:29:14 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Colofornian

In the typical Mormon family, do all the wives who are over 18 vote?


33 posted on 11/27/2012 9:44:02 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Colofornian

>>if he had only secured his “home base” of Mormons!

Maybe they were absentee voters vacationing on Kolob 11/7 and the mail got sent to ORD instead of SLC due to an error in translating the Reformed Egyptian postal code?

Nah. Or they just knew what a fraud the Bishop is.


34 posted on 11/28/2012 12:21:36 AM PST by TArcher
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To: BlessingsofLiberty
I apologize to my mom and dad, my grand kids, to everyone that ever fought for this country and to our founding fathers. A lot of people tried to stop this...there just wasn’t enough of us left.

Fresh phrasing. Well put.

(I may "steal" it @ some pt & credit you)

Indeed, we all need to apologize to our parents and grandparents over having dropped the baton of faith & zeal in this relay race of life!

We've narrowed our focus; withdrawn into our homes, and let our nation slide toward oblivion.

Lord, have literal mercy on us as a nation!

35 posted on 11/28/2012 12:37:37 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: pabianice

Incorrect, liberals gave us Romney and conservatives said not again.
Conservatives had no dog in the hunt.
It was liberal/GOPe Republicans that screamed and yelled only Romney can beat obama - well they were wrong and now want to blame the very people who told them he could not win.
Put the blame where it belongs on those who made Romney the nominee.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 12:53:37 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian
Wow, your MDS is so off the charts ... first of all, the article you quote contains a fallacy -- not a big surprise given in your derangement you quoted some low-watt radio station's hasty rewrite of a SLC Trib article.

The conjecture that 57% turnout would place Utah 9th as in 2008 fails to take into consideration that 2012 was a contraction election -- rather severely so and unevenly distributed -- and without that info, their inference falls flat on its face. Whereas you sit on yours...

"Overall, the number of people in the state who cast ballots in the presidential election was 57 percent. That’s basically the same number as the 2008 election, when Utah placed 9th lowest in the country in voter turnout."

But don't take my word for it, moonbat, cause here's the details. Looks to me like Mitt outdid McCrisis handily, with Utah's total vote up about 6% in an otherwise national contraction election. If anything, Mitt adding on 20% to McCrisis shows Mormon motivation prima facie.


Presidential General Election Results Comparison - Utah

Map Year Total Vote D R I Margin %Margin Dem Rep Ind Oth. Democrat  Republican Independ. Other 
UTAH 2012 1,019,810 2 1 - 488,787 47.93% 24.69% 72.62% 0.00% 2.69% 251,813 740,600 0 27,397
UTAH 2008 957,590 2 1 - 268,360 28.02% 34.22% 62.24% 0.00% 3.54% 327,670 596,030 0 33,890

37 posted on 11/28/2012 7:05:06 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Colofornian
"If only 55% of them were Lds (Utah is 60% Lds), that's over 400,000 Mormons NOT voting when a Mormon ran for POTUS!"

So Utah should vote in full percentages unseen anywhere in the US since sufferage. Riiiight. And if it did, of course, you'd be fishwife bitching about how Mormons had outstripped their base of power and were now 'overrepresented' in the electorage. LOL.

38 posted on 11/28/2012 7:09:35 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: StAnDeliver; All
...first of all, the article you quote contains a fallacy -- not a big surprise given...you quoted some low-watt radio station's hasty rewrite of a SLC Trib article.

ALL: StAnDeliver is so "out of it" as a poster apparently she is clueless that the Trib doesn't allow its stuff to even be excerpted as thread posts on FR...Hence if a poster wants to start a thread based upon what the Trib is reporting, it's easiest to do that 2nd-hand.

The conjecture that 57% turnout would place Utah 9th as in 2008 fails to take into consideration that 2012 was a contraction election -- rather severely so and unevenly distributed -- and without that info, their inference falls flat on its face...

If there are faulty voter facts coming out of Utah, hey, consider the source...it's Utah...where Utah leads the nation in coming out with faulty facts!

ALL: StAnDeliver's insinuation is that a "low wattage radio station's hasty rewrite" is somehow the source of the 57% and 80% figures cited by MidUtahRadio.com...

If she knew how to operate her keyboard, she could go direct to the source itself -- the Trib article that reported this...and see that these figures didn't originate with MidUtahRadio, nor did that radio state misreport what the Trib said: Voter turnout: Utah should be more voter-friendly

39 posted on 11/28/2012 8:29:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: pabianice

“Conservatives gave it to Obama instead.”

The GOP has made it very clear, they don’t want conservative votes. They don’t want to hear about the issues we care about, they don’t want us to voice our opinions, they don’t want to give our leaders a seat at the table, and they don’t want our votes to count in their primaries. So, certainly, they must not want our votes in the general election.


40 posted on 11/28/2012 9:11:07 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Graybeard58; cicero2k
Mia Love ran against incumbent Matheson, but she lost mainly because of a third-party challenger - some Libertarian that siphoned off some votes for her.

I'm certain that if the effin' third party guy wasn't in the race, Mia would have won. Shame... Mia would've become an instant GOP star. Hope she runs again...

41 posted on 11/28/2012 9:15:41 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: StAnDeliver; All
But don't take my word for it, moonbat, cause here's the details. Looks to me like Mitt outdid McCrisis handily, with Utah's total vote up about 6% in an otherwise national contraction election. If anything, Mitt adding on 20% to McCrisis shows Mormon motivation prima facie.

Per your stats 75,857 Utahns who voted for Obama converted to Romney this go-round (something the article didn't even address...it focused only on overall turnout...not the ratio of the vote) ... plus when you crunch those #s, your source says another 67,843 additional voters came on board in the GoP column compared to 2008 vote totals.

But in 2008, Utah had less than 1.88 million voting-age adults (1 million, 877,000 per this Census source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0398.pdf); the source I cited on another post earlier in the thread says Utah now has 1.94 million voting-age...being a younger state, it grew by about 63,000.

Given that per your source, 72.62% of Utahns voted for Romney, 72.62% of the additional 63,000 new Utah voters = 45,751. IOW, of the 67,843 additional Romney voters (vs. McCain), 45,751 of them can simply be explained by new Utah adult-age voters coming of age...simple growth of the state itself. It says NOTHING of Romney's voter-capturing prowess. (McCain did NOT have access to those 63,000 in 2008...as they were popping pimples then!)

So TURNOUT wise -- not RATIO wise...out of 1.94 million, how many additional voters (voters who were already adults in 2008 + didn't vote in 2008) does your stats say "flocked" to Romney?

Answer: 22,092...

19,400 is 1% of the voting age Utah populace; so the answer is really a whopping 1%...even using your stat source!!!!

Thanks for making the point of the article!!!

What else does your stat source prove?

Your stats say that 1 million 20 thousand Utah voters turned out in 2012. How does that even compare to 2004 in Utah, when Utah had over 260,000 less voting-age adults in that state (1.679 million per this source: Resident Population of Voting Age and Percent Casting Votes: States 2000 to 2010)?

Answer: Less Utahns voted in 2012 than when Utah was almost 16% smaller!!!! Romney couldn't even draw the number of voters who turned out in the 2004 Utah elections!!!!!!!

Per this source: Voting and Registration in the Election of November 2008 (see page 8) -- 1 million 22 thousand Utahns turned out for the 2004 election. So about 2,000 less Utahns turned out in 2012 -- vs. 2004 -- despite almost 16% growth of voting-age adults!!!

Amazing!

And, if you look at pages 8 and 11 of this last link it's not as if Utah 2008 voting totals were "brag-able"...This govt source says 'twas even worse than what the Trib reported it as...saying only 53.1% (not even the 57% figure the Trib used) of voting-age adults voted in the 2008 Utah election...page 11 says that was second from the bottom among all states!

More egg on your face...next time take a look at the entire package of voter stats 2004-2012 vs. your rambling ad hominem attacks...

42 posted on 11/28/2012 9:24:53 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: pabianice
Conservatives gave it to Obama instead.

Sorry; but the gop-e 'gave it' to Conservatives: again!

43 posted on 11/28/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nutmeg
Shame... Mia would've become an instant GOP star. Hope she runs again...

A hundred years ago she would NEVER have gotten ANYWHERE!





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

44 posted on 11/28/2012 9:56:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All; StAnDeliver
If anything, Mitt adding on 20% to McCrisis shows Mormon motivation prima facie.

ALL: So, let's "recap" my last post:

Whatever Romney added vs. McCain in Utah, 1/3rd of that was simply attributable to the 45,000 + new Romney 18-21 yo voters...as Utah grew 63,000...and the 45,000 figure I used in the last post is 72.62% -- the ratio Romney got from the rest of Utah voters in 2012.

Over half of that 144,570 new GoP total (compared to McCain's 2008 #s) was due to Obama converts to Romney...but these were NOT new voters...which is what this article was about -- overall voter TURNOUT...So already the above two components explains almost 90% of the above figure that StAnDeliver touts.

Apparehtly Romney DID draw less than 23,000 new adult voters (voters who were already adults in 2008)...but that's only 1% of the entire voting-age populace in Utah!

And when you THEN compare all this to 2008 at a national state-by-state level, where Utah ALREADY was 2nd from the bottom in voter turnout among voting-age adults (53.1% per the US Census Dept)...Utah only beat out Hawaii as the most apathetic state in 2008!!!...It's all REALLY appalling!!!

Not exactly "bragging" #s...to say that Romney "inspired" Utah adults to increase their already near totem-poll bottom #s by only 1%!

I want to thank StAnDeliver for her post...'cause it caused me to sift out the REAL #s...

And if I am all those things she labels me, and yet she couldn't figure out the above, what does that then say about her????

45 posted on 11/28/2012 10:10:41 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; StAnDeliver; greyfoxx39; All
Addendum to the 22,092 new 22 & up voters that Romney attracted in Utah...among people who did not vote in the 2008 election...

Remember that Utah is only 60% Lds; so even if we are generous and say that 75% of these 22,092 are Lds, that means that the "Mormon motivation" in Utah attracted less than 17,000 newby Lds 22 & up voters!

That is about .85% of the entire voting-age populace of Utah!!!!!

So here we have a state in which anywhere from...
...42% [Trib said 43%...but I can give Romney the benefit of the doubt and even increase this by a tick]...
...to 47% [2008 Utah voter turnout]...
...which doesn't bother to either register or, if registered, to vote...
...--And translates into at almost half a million Mormons in that state--
...And Mitt can only draw less than 17,000 22 & up Mormon newby voters??? Which is a little above 3% of Utah's non-voting Mormons!!!????

Where is the MSM on this story???

All the finger-pointing by Mormons -- and many FREEPER non-Mormons -- that went on for YEARS aimed at Christians about NOT voting for a Mormon!!!

And here we have almost half-a-million unregistered or registered-but didn't vote adult UTAH Mormons who opted out of these elections!!!!

46 posted on 11/28/2012 10:49:52 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
"Per your stats 75,857 Utahns who voted for Obama converted to Romney this go-round"

The table says nothing of the kind. Yours is a a patently absurd conjecture without any cite to exit polling.

"Given that per your source, 72.62% of Utahns voted for Romney, 72.62% of the additional 63,000 new Utah voters = 45,751. IOW, of the 67,843 additional Romney voters (vs. McCain), 45,751 of them can simply be explained by new Utah adult-age voters coming of age...simple growth of the state itself. It says NOTHING of Romney's voter-capturing prowess. (McCain did NOT have access to those 63,000 in 2008...as they were popping pimples then!)"

Your paralogism doesn't stand up to scrutiny. One, Utah voter turnout percentage by both registered voter and by voting age is on a steady, precipitous long-term decline in Utah.

This is confirmed by Adam Brown's study of Michael McDonald's Voting Elegible Population (VEP) data points as well.

Year Utah’s VEP Votes cast for president Turnout as % of VEP
2012 1,835,666 1,019,810 55.5%
2008 1,746,298 952,370 54.5%
2004 1,574,463 927,844 58.9%
2000 1,431,668 770,754 53.8%
1996 1,326,919 665,629 50.2%
1992 1,162,363 743,999 64.0%
1988 1,043,170 647,008 62.0%
1984 998,820 629,656 63.0%
1980 915,484 604,222 66.0%

In fact, Brown refutes your assertions directly.

"Reporting turnout as a percentage of registered voters can also produce misleading trends. In 2010, Utah’s election officials claimed that turnout was the best for a midterm election in Utah in 16 years. With a little research, however, one learns the reason for this “improvement”: Fewer Utahns were registered to vote in 2010 than in previous years, inflating the turnout percentage when measured as a percentage of registered voters. When measured correctly (as a percentage of VEP), Utah’s turnout in 2010 was actually worse than every midterm election since 1994 except (barely) 2006."

There go your random numbers picked out of thin air.

Two, and more importantly, "pimple poppers" went nationwide for Obama over 60%. No evidence presented to suggest it was any less in Utah (and Mia Love's loss insinuates as much).

Therefore, Romney's huge leap forward in vote total over McCrisis could not possibly have come from 'pimple poppers'; far more likely it came from motivated Mormons.

Face it, you're one of those people who likes to say ridiculous sh!t in hopes that someone will school you and you learn what the actual answer is.

I've seen your kind all my life and I find it a detestable display of bad manners. But you have to live with yourself, Freetard, not me.

47 posted on 11/28/2012 2:02:15 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Elsie
Geesh... WHY did you have to post that HUGE post to me? I didn't need all that crap staring me in the face. A simple link would have sufficed.

Now it's taking me forever to get through my pings...

Don't post to me again.

48 posted on 11/28/2012 2:20:58 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: StAnDeliver
Me: "Per your stats 75,857 Utahns who voted for Obama converted to Romney this go-round"

You: The table says nothing of the kind. Yours is a a patently absurd conjecture without any cite to exit polling.

Sure it does. Ya don't need to cite exit polling when the voting stats that YOU provided are right there...go back to the table you sourced...

In 2008, how many voted for Obama? Answer: 327,670
In 2012, how many voted for Obama? Answer: 251,813

It is simple subtraction...You subtract those #s and 75,857 Utahns withdrew their Obama support ('12 vs. '08)

Since Romney had about 144,000+ more votes than McCain in 2012, it's obvious just about all those voters went to Romney...they didn't simply evaporate into thin air!

Why do you complicate such a simple math issue?

49 posted on 11/28/2012 3:06:59 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: StAnDeliver
...more importantly, "pimple poppers" went nationwide for Obama over 60%. No evidence presented to suggest it was any less in Utah (and Mia Love's loss insinuates as much).

#1...I oversimplified those 63,000 newby voters...[that reflected Utah's growth of Voting-Age population].

Not all of them are 18-21 yo...some, for example, could be older voters who moved there from another state. How many? Who knows...safe to say not a lot...

#2 In conservative Utah, the Pimple Poppers surely at least split 50-50...So even then about 30,000 would still be an adjustable #...And if another 500 were older than 21...then that leaves you gaining at best only 15,000 more...not even another 1%...

50 posted on 11/28/2012 3:25:33 PM PST by Colofornian
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