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Iran Building Powerful Nuclear Device
Israel National News ^ | 11/27/2012 | David Lev

Posted on 11/27/2012 3:25:16 PM PST by Uncle Miltie

Iran is planning to build a nuclear bomb with at least triple the force of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima in World War II, diagrams obtained by the Associated Press indicates. According to AP, the diagrams were first discovered by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) scientists after an inspection of an Iranian nuclear facility. The document was published by the AP Tuesday after, the news agency said, it was leaked by officials critical of the way the West has been handling the Iran issue.

The diagrams discovered by the IAEA show Iranian scientists calculating the desired "nuclear explosive yield" in a device they were apparently working on.

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The diagrams showed a scientific calculation of the expected yield of a nuclear device, with a maximum force of 50 kilotons, experts who saw the AP diagrams said. There was no possibility that the diagrams referred to a process other than construction of a nuclear weapon, the experts said.

If Iran is indeed designing a nuclear weapon with a 50 kiloton yield, it will be significantly stronger than the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan during World War II, which were only 15 kilotons powerful. Nuclear weapons held by the U.S., Russia, and other countries are significantly stronger than a bomb with a 50 kiloton yield.

Iran, meanwhile, said Tuesday that it had filed complaints with the United Nations over what it said were violations of its airspace by U.S. planes.

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Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast on Tuesday: Any country that violates Iranian airspace, he said, could expect “strong measures” to be taken against their planes or drones.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


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1 posted on 11/27/2012 3:25:23 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

I am sure Susan Rice is on the case, ready hit the twitter feeds and Sunday morning talk shows.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 3:29:22 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Uncle Miltie

IIRC, Israel has thermonuclear (”H-Bombs”) as well as nuclear (”A-Bombs”) weapons like those Iran is developing, including some on submarines.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 3:29:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Iran is planning to build a nuclear bomb with at least triple the force of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima in World War II...”

Would that be enough to blow Israel off the map? I’m pretty sure that’s their guiding principle for the engineering.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 3:35:35 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So what can a 50kt device do?


5 posted on 11/27/2012 3:35:54 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Iran Building Powerful Nuclear Device

Yeah, but they would only use it in response to an offensive You Tube video.

6 posted on 11/27/2012 3:36:36 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Wasn’t the Hiroshima bomb considered relatively small relative to ones developed later? Also, how many Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians would a bomb that size kill in addition to the Israelis?


7 posted on 11/27/2012 3:42:30 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: NonValueAdded

3X what a Hiroshima device can do.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 3:43:07 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Uncle Miltie

C’mon ... the arabs haven’t done anything significant since the 5th century. They’ll blow themselves up trying to figure out which end the trigger is on ;)


9 posted on 11/27/2012 3:45:31 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: NonValueAdded
So what can a 50kt device do?

Wipe out one Israeli city, and a whole bunch of Iranian cities.

10 posted on 11/27/2012 3:47:46 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: gleeaikin
Also, how many Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians would a bomb that size kill in addition to the Israelis?

Iran would care because...?

11 posted on 11/27/2012 3:50:36 PM PST by null and void (Knowledge increases exponentially, wisdom increases logarithmically.)
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To: gleeaikin
Yes, Hiroshima isn't considered very powerful by current standards. There are many Muslims living within Israel, plus the neighboring countries, of course.

As I understand it (I'm not a physicist) the trigger for an "H-Bomb" is an "A-Bomb" within the device. That's how much more powerful they are.

12 posted on 11/27/2012 3:51:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: johnd201

I think you mean the 13th Century.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 3:52:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

14 posted on 11/27/2012 3:53:39 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: NonValueAdded
So what can a 50kt device do?

Surround it with a cobalt jacket and set it off where prevailing winds will carry fallout over most of central Israel. You don't need to kill that many people. You just have to make the area so unhealthy that rational people don't want to live there any more.

It won't matter if the Palestinians can't live there either. The objective all along was to displace the Jews, rather than settle the Palestinians.

15 posted on 11/27/2012 3:53:57 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: NonValueAdded

“So what can a 50kt device do?”

If they manage to deliver it perfectly (i.e., location and altitude), it can pretty much take out a medium-sized city. So, no, one will not take out Israel (assuming they can handle the associated EMP, but that’s a separate topic), but half a dozen, yes. A single 10 MT blast would pretty much wipe out the northern half of Israel.

These weapons aren’t toys, but it looks like Israel takes its defense quite seriously.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 3:58:48 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Perdogg

It’s no doubt a peaceful nuclear bomb, designed to blow up over Israel, peacefully.

And no doubt, spontaneously, in response to a video on YouTube.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:00:29 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Israel won't know what hit it.
18 posted on 11/27/2012 4:04:44 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Uncle Miltie

Heyyyyy, they cheated. Ahmadinejab said they were going nuclear for energy purposes. Why would you use a bomb for nuclear energy??? Derrrrr Heeeeee Hurrrrrr... /s


19 posted on 11/27/2012 4:04:44 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: gleeaikin
how many Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians would a bomb that size kill in addition to the Israelis?

That's ok, they will be declared "martyrs" and everybody will be happy!

20 posted on 11/27/2012 4:07:59 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: jessduntno

No, it will take out medium or small cities, as someone else noted.

Or completely destroy certain bases and immediate surrounding areas. A few miles in radius.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 4:08:28 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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And here I though they only wanted to build a little bitty one. Who is surprised by this?

22 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:20 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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23 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:44 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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24 posted on 11/27/2012 4:20:49 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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25 posted on 11/27/2012 4:21:44 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: johnd201

Iranians are not Arabians. They are Persian, and, historically, considerably more sophisticated, cultured, and educated.
I think Israel takes Iran seriously.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 4:22:17 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: PapaBear3625
Ah, you speak of the "salted" bomb.

Not just cobalt, either, if you're a poor nation, there are other nasty substances to use that are more readily available, but perhaps less effective, at spreading nasssty fallout (we hates it)....

My personal belief is...why *wouldn't* a nation salt most of its bombs?* I'll betcha China salts every one of theirs. Conversely, I'd bet that the USA, UK, France, Israel don't salt theirs. Go figure.

*Why not salt the bomb? A cobalt sheath is the easiest component to make. Triggers are harder, the other compoents are harder.

Yeah, I know, rational people wouldn't want to live in a world with wind-blown, wandering radiation clouds. (Neville Shute, anyone?) But not all of our enemies are rational (by our standard).

There is the additional consideration in that, if you're gonna fight a nukewar, why not assume the descendants of your enemy won't try to finish off/take revenge upon your descendants? Going nuclear is bound to generate a whole can o' whoopa$$ animosity against the perpetrator. Why wouldn't you just try to kill 'em all off, all future potential...I mean, if you're going nuclear to begin with, it's not like your playing paddycake, now, is it?

In other words, we're New World Americans living in a nuclear age with Old World mentalities. And that's what scares me. Precisely because those societies think long-term and vindictively when it comes to war.

Especially given the worldview of the Iranian theocracy, why wouldn't they salt their bomb? They'd want to maximize carnage. We all agree on that.

MAD (mutually assured destruction) worked versus the USSR, but is ineffective against Tehran, which has repeatedly expressed a desire to initiate a Final Battle--one they openly acknowledge they cannot win alone--that will usher in the Mahdi from Damascus. Yes, they know they can't win. But that act of initiating the war against the Great Satan signifies the faith they have in Allah to finish the battle for them. All they need to do is...show how much they trust in their Moon god. He'll do the rest.

There's never been a better case for pre-emptive war than there is now against Iran. God help us all. God help the people of Israel.

Sauron

27 posted on 11/27/2012 4:24:12 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: tacticalogic

dont forget the destruction of Mecca, the Aswan high dam, as well as atomic detonations at strategic points into the country of Israel to stave of invading forces. I would also blast an area in the desert region on the Egyptian border as well. Tehran with 2H’s, Reactor sites at Bushehr, Arak, a strike on the purification sites at strategic locations associated near water at Gchine, Chalus, Neka, Tabriz, Lavizan, and Gorgan. Follow up with atomic detonations at every major port which supports military vessels. You have to go all in if you are attacked.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:44 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Fix Bayonetts!!!!!!! Time to fight!!!!!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Would be a shame if that bomb somehow blew up outside Tehran, killing hundreds of thousands. (Then the world would know that iran isn’t to be trusted with nukes.)


29 posted on 11/27/2012 4:33:19 PM PST by gotribe
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To: Michigan Bowhunter
You have to go all in if you are attacked.

You are so right. There's no other way, because you can't be sure how much they've got left to hit you with.

NOT fully committing will only get more of your own people dead. It'd be like hitting the schoolyard bully twice your size with one shot, briefly knocking him down, but not finishing the fight then and there (while you can).

...and that's what's so scary about a nuclear war. It tends to ratchet UPwards rather than DOWNwards. It's self-escalating feature is pure evil genius, all the more so because it's so necessary.

Somewhere, The Devil is smiling.

Sauron

30 posted on 11/27/2012 4:34:44 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: Uncle Miltie

50kt means they’ve mastered ‘boosting’. Nuclear boosting means injecting tritium right before the conventional explosives go off. This ‘boosts’ the yields up due to neutron reaction from fusion of the tritium inside.

There is no reason to ‘salt’ anything with cobalt. At 50kt, salting is useless. It won’t convert anything to an isotope in the needed amounts. You have to move up to thermonuclear 2 or 3 stage. In that case, you want to use U-238 for the ‘dirty’ version and never anything else. Why? It’ll fission as well as U-235 and increase the yield per kg of the bomb and will also spew all the fallout you would ever want from a ‘cobalt salted bomb’.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 4:39:18 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Uncle Miltie

Well, they’re right on schedule. I suppose hydrogen bombs are next, with yields in the megatons instead of kilotons.

The US developed its first H-bomb about seven years after the A-bomb. Russia did it in five, in part by stealing it from us. More information is out there today than ever. Iran will probably be able to do it in five or six — with help. Then we’ll all wake up one morning, perhaps while Hussein Obama is still in his second term, and Israel will be no more (and maybe not NYC, Chicago, DC, Miami, LA and Seattle, to boot).


32 posted on 11/27/2012 4:40:13 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: RedMDer
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33 posted on 11/27/2012 4:41:58 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Uncle Miltie

No laughing matter.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 4:42:40 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Monty22002

but I’m confused as to why a peaceful nuclear program would have creation of explosions as a design goal.

The Iranians did say their program was peaceful in nature, didn’t they?

I guess they were not entirely candid in their previous
assurances.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 4:43:14 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obsteperous gentleman..)
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To: Perdogg; NonValueAdded
3X what a Hiroshima device can do.

That's not quite true, in terms of damage caused. Larger yield explosions are to some degree, "less efficient" than smaller ones. A crude way to think of it is that the destructive effect of an air blast goes up by the square root of the explosive power. (I know someone will come up with a more accurate figure, so, again, I just give that as a crude calculation.)

If you have enough material to make two small bombs (and a way to deliver two, to two targets), that's usually much more effective than a single larger "2x" bomb.

I'd be curious as to what type of design was found. Almost everyone forgets that a "gun" type A-bomb is not that hard to make, and is almost fool-proof, except that they can go off a little TOO easily...

36 posted on 11/27/2012 4:46:01 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter
You have to go all in if you are attacked, and finish it.
37 posted on 11/27/2012 4:50:29 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Monty22002

So, is a “boosted” bomb considered an A-Bomb, an H-Bomb, or a hybrid?


38 posted on 11/27/2012 4:52:30 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: RitchieAprile

Peaceful, yep.

If I were Israel I’d start openly testing, NOW. Untested designs are not weapon proof beyond the very basics.


39 posted on 11/27/2012 4:53:48 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Uncle Miltie

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40 posted on 11/27/2012 5:01:58 PM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Paul R.

Those terms blend a bit at that level. A true H-bomb is a Teller-Ulam style multistage device. A boosted primary alone is what triggers the H-bombs. The initial ‘A-Bombs’ in the 40’s weren’t boosted.

So a boosted gets from you 15-20 up to 50-60, maybe a 400 kt depending. A true ‘H-bomb’ can be lower yield though, I depends on if the weapon uses the primary/secondary configuration. The primary (boosted or not) is considered just a primary.


41 posted on 11/27/2012 5:15:38 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Logical me

BS.

TEHRAN will be exterminated. It might take rogue pilots from the IAF after meoow-bibi, but there is no way Israel takes a surprise hit, and no way they don’t do it without finally exterminating Tehran.


42 posted on 11/27/2012 5:17:03 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: BIV

“They are Persian, and, historically, considerably more sophisticated, cultured, and educated.”

” more sophisticated, cultured, and educated”

They aid that about the Nazis.

Iran needs to be wiped off the planet.

AS AN OBJECT LESSON.


43 posted on 11/27/2012 5:18:00 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Adding the hydrogen isotopes tritium and deuterium boosts the yield of fission bombs. This was first tested by the US during the early 1950s and doubled the explosive yield from the first Hiroshima and Nagasaki designs. Iran is assisted in developing high yield bombs because that the technology is well known and almost certainly they had help from either North Korea or rogue Pakistani nuke designer A.Q.Khan.


44 posted on 11/27/2012 5:23:58 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: airborne

I appreciate your tag line... So many have given their lives for our FREEDOM... We are next in line to maintain that liberty for our posterity.


45 posted on 11/27/2012 5:25:31 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Iran’s building an enormous nuclear weapon???

Wow, there’s a shocker.

Do you think maybe somebody should tell the Israelis? It’s possible they don’t know about this....


46 posted on 11/27/2012 5:28:35 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Yehuda

Of course it won’t be the iranians who drop the bomb on Israel. They’ll use a proxy, maybe have the syrians do it for them.


47 posted on 11/27/2012 5:36:26 PM PST by gotribe
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To: Logical me
Israel won't know what hit it.

Are you serious?

48 posted on 11/27/2012 6:09:43 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: johnd201

“C’mon ... the arabs haven’t done anything significant since the 5th century. They’ll blow themselves up trying to figure out which end the trigger is on ;”

Um... the Iranians ain’t “Arabs”.

And how about those durn Pakistanis? They’re still here....


49 posted on 11/27/2012 6:16:21 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Former Fetus

“how many Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians would a bomb that size kill in addition to the Israelis?
That’s ok, they will be declared “martyrs” and everybody will be happy!”

That’s actually their strategy.

The muslim world knows that a modestly successful nuclear attack on Israel would result in many, many muslim deaths.

They also realize that in the aftermath of the attack, Israeli survivors would likely initiate “The Samson Option”, destroying a good part of the muslim world.

However — the muslims don’t care. They (or those who purport to lead them, spiritually) would give up half their population, so long as Israel was obliterated in the exchange.

The muslim world would survive, but Israel would be gone.
For them, that’s “game over”.


50 posted on 11/27/2012 6:21:19 PM PST by Road Glide
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