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The Coming Fall and Eventual Rebirth of America
American Thinker ^ | November 27,2012 | Frank Ryan

Posted on 11/27/2012 7:54:17 PM PST by Hojczyk

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1 posted on 11/27/2012 7:54:22 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Rebirth of America

The greatness that was America, once lost, will never recover.

2 posted on 11/27/2012 8:02:22 PM PST by doc1019 (Abortion: Women have a choice, unborn babies don't.)
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To: Hojczyk
We are a creative and vibrant people who believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Statistically speaking, no we aren't. That ship sailed.
3 posted on 11/27/2012 8:12:38 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Hojczyk
We are a creative and vibrant people who believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Those three magical ingredients will fuel our rebirth.

The author forgot the 4th magical ingredient: We're nearly 17 trillion in debt and we accumulate another $125 billion per month.

And the electorate is happy with that.

Sorry. Even magic can't pull a rabbit out of this hat.

4 posted on 11/27/2012 8:12:58 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: doc1019

Exactly. To quote Adams: “a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it…”

The history of every Republic-turned mobocracy is...... they commit suicide.

This people fired a loaded gun into our collective heads in November 2008. We’re already brain-dead - the body is just taking it’s time to follow in a slow death.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 8:16:09 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hojczyk

This guy is far too optimistic.

“Rebirth” might very well be 6 different countries, some commies and some free....


6 posted on 11/27/2012 8:19:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hojczyk

Jeremiah 7:16
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:13-14
For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal. 14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.


7 posted on 11/27/2012 8:20:08 PM PST by jcwky (Our response?...)
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To: SpaceBar
We are a creative and vibrant people who believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Statistically speaking, no we aren't. That ship sailed.

Exactly. Most people won't work hard unless they are forced into it. America has chosen communism right now because they are over fed, distracted and lazy to the core.

8 posted on 11/27/2012 8:22:47 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Hojczyk

Why do so many think that after a collapse, we can rebuild and come out stronger? After any collapse, we will still have the same cast of characters with their hands out. We’ll still have dem pols pandering to them. We’ll still have unions and lobbying groups buying the pols.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 8:23:52 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Hojczyk; nathanbedford; All

Thanks for this thread.

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” - - - For us, Gov. Romney was a great candidate but at the wrong time. - - - “

Guess you have a low threshold of what a “great” candidate is, Frank Ryan.

For a quick (only 3-part) REALITY check, hold off on the Koolaid from DeNile and read the following:

1.) Romney took the summer off from aggressive campaigning in a year when most voters had made up their minds as who to vote for by July 4 th;
2.) Voters had already started early voting before Romney had finished his Second Debate;
3.) Romney gave the election to Benghazi-Coward Obama by refusing to attack Obama when Debate Moderator Bob Schieffer delivered THE Benghazi question to Romney.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/the_coming_fall_and_eventual_rebirth_of_america.html#ixzz2DUEfEBqH


10 posted on 11/27/2012 8:29:37 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Hojczyk

We shouldn’t expect or hope a ‘fall’ will bring about a rebirth we will like. It is very rare in human history that a collapse, on any scale, of any society or civilization, brings about more freedom or positive result.

At the best case scenarios, collapses further centralize power, such as what we saw in the great depression.

In the worst case scenarios, collapses allow despots to emerge and take complete totalitarian control, such as Weimar Germany or Russia’s massive depression after the Russo-Japan war that triggered the Russian Revolution then the Bolshevik Revolution.

Not as common in the modern world except for places like some former Russian provinces shortly after the fall of the USSR, you will see many small civil wars and cities or even blocks being controlled by gangs and warlords. (think the Slavic states)

On the other hand, one could look to the fall of the USSR and places like the Czech Republic and Poland, but they had something going for them we didn’t have, the US support. What external support will we have, be it moral or physical support? Canada, Japan, India?


11 posted on 11/27/2012 8:33:21 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Hojczyk

Romney has never been a great candidate, after 20 years no one even knows for sure what his real political beliefs are.

The election is over, and none of us can name a greater political chameleon, than Mitt Romney.

Hardly anyone here at this political site, which discusses abortion daily, can tell us what his last public position on abortion was, yet very few will be surprised to learn that it probably wasn’t what they thought it was.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 8:36:03 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Hojczyk; HonestConservative

The author, Marine Col. Frank Ryan, is a fine man. It’s too bad we here in Pennsylvania didn’t send him to Congress in 2010 when we had the chance.

http://www.frankryan.org/


13 posted on 11/27/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Hojczyk
I have posted many times during the election campaign but publicly withdrew the observation to the effect that Romney was not litigating the implications of America going bankrupt soon on the assumption that his polling data was properly guiding him. We now know he was blundering about as much as we were. We conservatives assumed that message, the American understood we were going bankrupt, because that is what we believe and it is, frankly, human nature to expect others to see the world the way we do. They simply do not.

Our assumption of the common understanding was reinforced when Romney picked Ryan whose entire approach is based on the belief that an economic crash is inevitable if we do not reform. But somehow Ryan's message at first was channeled into a fight over Medicare and the issue of our economic peril was lost, perhaps because it was simply assumed. But the electorate does not share our set of assumptions about the state of the economy anymore, evidently, that shares our assumptions about social issues like free birth control.

I take issue with the author, though, about his scenario. He tells us that after the crash the pain will bring electorate to reality and they will turn to conservative solutions. I do not believe that for a minute. History tells us that with rare exceptions that the remedy for failed socialism is not reform but more socialism. For every Margaret Thatcher we have a counterreformation which puts socialism back into the British economy. For every Greece we have rioters in the streets in Athens demanding more socialism. For a great recession precipitated is not occasioned by socialist policies generating unsound home mortgages, we have federal programs for more unsound home mortgages. It is impossible to conclude that the socialist programs of Barack Obama which deepened the recession have been regarded by the electorate as reason to reform either him or the system.

We have academia and journalism telling the electorate they should always take the wrong lessons from history, from current events, from foreign affairs, and from economic conditions. I doubt if the next downturn will provide an epiphany to the electorate, most likely it will cause the country to lurch even further left.

Saul Alinsky is smiling.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 8:41:47 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
My apologies for so many proofreading mistakes in my immediate past post. Here is a corrected version:

I have posted many times during the election campaign but publicly withdrew the observation to the effect that Romney was not litigating the implications of America going bankrupt him him him him him him him him him him him on the assumption that his polling data was properly guiding him. We now know he was blundering about as much as we were. We conservatives assumed that message, that the America understood we were going bankrupt, because that is what we believe and it is, frankly, human nature to expect others to see the world the way we do. They simply do not.

Our assumption of the common understanding was reinforced when Romney picked Ryan whose entire approach is based on the belief that an economic crash is inevitable if we do not reform. But somehow Ryan's message at first was channeled into a fight over Medicare and the issue of our economic peril was lost, perhaps because it was simply assumed. But the electorate does not share our set of assumptions about the state of the economy anymore, evidently, than it shares our assumptions about social issues like free birth control.

I take issue with the author, though, about his scenario. He tells us that after the crash the pain will bring electorate to reality and they will turn to conservative solutions. I do not believe that for a minute. History tells us that with rare exceptions that the remedy for failed socialism is not reform but more socialism. For every Margaret Thatcher we have a counterreformation which puts socialism back into the British economy. For every Greece we have rioters in the streets of Athens demanding more socialism. For a great recession precipitated if not occasioned by socialist policies generating unsound home mortgages, we have federal programs for more unsound home mortgages. It is impossible to conclude that the socialist programs of Barack Obama which deepened the recession have been regarded by the electorate as reason to reform either him or the system.

We have academia and journalism telling the electorate they should always take the wrong lessons from history, from current events, from foreign affairs, and from economic conditions. I doubt if the next downturn will provide an epiphany to the electorate, most likely it will cause the country to lurch even further left.

Saul Alinsky is smiling.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 8:48:57 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Hojczyk

Rome and Egypt certainly bounced right back.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 8:52:49 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: mnehring

The breakup of the Soviet Union was not all rainbows and unicorns. Azerbaijan and Armenia fought a war over Ngarno-Kharabach and there other unrest in Georgia. Further, there were dictators in the former Central Asian Republics and Belarus. The media swept it all under the rug, just like they tried to do with the breakup of Yugoslavia. Something happened in the early-90’s with Clinton’s election that turned the media into Pravda. The reporting on international affairs is deplorable.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 8:54:46 PM PST by Feasor13
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To: Hojczyk

Can’t believe the negativity on this thread. No one knows the future but God, and a brighter tomorrow is never more than a miracle away. If God closes the door, no one can open it, but if he opens it, no one can close it. Not Marxists, not Islamists, and not freeloaders. Most of the strength of the left is in illusion, in demoralizing us, getting us to quit, give up, give in to whining and self pity, getting us to forsake our faith in God and his plan for our redemption. Buck up, people. We can take on these giants in the land, if God will help us.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 8:59:41 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

The good Colonel struck a negative chord. Can’t imagine why.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 9:04:47 PM PST by stanne
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To: Hojczyk

It’s hard to share the author’s optimism. He mentions several formerly Communist countries. But they each had undergone a revolution, or perhaps evolution since they weren’t violent, from a totally different political and economic system, while the U.S. is ever so slowly sliding into some form of quasi-socialism, and doing so evidently imperceptibly to the half of the voting electorate who voted for the card carrying Communist, and the half of total electorate who didn’t bother to vote at all. And those post-Communist countries are not all doing so well either.

A better, more accurate model of how a decline happens would be, I think, Argentina, once in the top five or six economies on the planet, before the lovely Peron couple showed up and mocked it all up so much that even a military coup couldn’t fix things up. We are becoming Argentina, as one Argentinian predicted on William F. Buckley’s TV show 30 years ago, and was casually dismissed by the ever smarter than thou William F. leaning way back in his chair. Argentina - a country of the poor and the very rich with the forever struggling middle class supporting both. Argentina is still limping along, and so will we.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 9:05:16 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Hojczyk; JRandomFreeper; Kartographer
Kart, prepper ping.

I accepted the reality of our country's collapse in 2007. I have also prepped since 1998 to be responsible for my life.

If the country's economy collapses, which I think it has to, my personal world will continue to function well.

If you care about yourself and your loved ones, prepare to be responsible for your safety, food, water and health care. Insurance for your survival and spiritual welfare is No. 1, everything else is No. 2.

21 posted on 11/27/2012 9:05:18 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Yes sir, I meant “mucked it up”, as I always mean what I intend to say!


22 posted on 11/27/2012 9:10:03 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
A better, more accurate model of how a decline happens would be, I think, Argentina...

I think an optimistic outlook would be Japan's lost decade. Unless we have a major economic reform that literally unleashes America's productivity (massive energy production, exploration, etc) OR an entirely new economic sector emerges (think the internet boom out of pretty much nothing), we could simply hope for a long, stagnation versus worst possibilities.

23 posted on 11/27/2012 9:11:09 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Springfield Reformer
No one knows the future but God, and a brighter tomorrow is never more than a miracle away.

God does not force anyone to make a decision against his will. What we sow, we will reap. As a whole, this nation is sowing sloth, immorality, and wastefulness on a scale unknown to history.

We are about to reap a very, very ugly crop.

24 posted on 11/27/2012 9:17:26 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: mnehring

We still haven’t experienced the economic shock of Obamacare, the virtual nationalization of one sixth of U.S. economy, but as I’ve read, Big Pharma is now cutting down investments, as are medical equipment manufacturers and researchers. That is the elephant in the room, as I see it, something that Japan did not experience during the period you mention. We can only hope that Obamacare is defeated piece by piece, one way or another.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 9:19:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Marcella; Hojczyk

It is not hyperbolic or only something for them ‘Tin Foil Hat’ crowd, Look what is happening right before your eyes and take heed. There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it.

Heed the words of the Bible:

“A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
NIV Proverbs 22:3

And when the trouble comes the only helping hand you will get is your own.

Sandy’s lesson is right before your eyes just as it was with Katrina; You either prepare and stand on your own or you can depend on a bunch of self-serving politicos, third class bureaucratic and chance to provide your basic needs.

Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo. Maybe while you stand there you will get a chance to a prop in some politico’s photo op and even get your picture on the national news.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, gas cans, cooking stove/fuel, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the Bible says:

“In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has.” Proverbs 21:20

“But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.” 1 Timothy 5:8

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http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

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Underestimation can be fatal.”


26 posted on 11/27/2012 9:23:21 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: umgud

Historically after a collapse, guess who are the first people that get put up against a wall or otherwise killed? By all sides?

If you guessed the cast of characters who have their hands out, you guessed correctly.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 9:25:11 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


28 posted on 11/27/2012 9:25:16 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: nathanbedford

Lyrics to Bright Sunny South :
From the bright sunny south to the war, I was sent, E’er the days of my boyhood, I scarcely had spent. From it’s cool shady forests and deep flowing streams, Ever fond in my mem’ry and sweet in my dreams.

Oh, my dear little sister, I still see her tears. When I had to leave home in our tender years. And my sweet gentle mother, so dear to my heart, It grieved me sincerely when we had to part.

Said my kind-hearted father as he took my hand: “As you go in defence of our dear native land, “Son, be brave but show mercy whenever you can. “Our hearts will be with you, ‘til you ‘turn again.”

In my bag there’s a bible to show me the way, Through my twelfth year on earth and to Heaven some day. I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword, In defence of this land and the word of the Lord. From the bright sunny south to the war, I was sent, E’er the days of my boyhood, I scarcely had spent. From it’s cool shady forests and deep flowing streams, Ever fond in my mem’ry and sweet in my dreams.

Oh, my dear little sister, I still see her tears. When I had to leave home in our tender years. And my sweet gentle mother, so dear to my heart, It grieved me sincerely when we had to part.

Said my kind-hearted father as he took my hand: “As you go in defence of our dear native land, “Son, be brave but show mercy whenever you can. “Our hearts will be with you, ‘til you ‘turn again.”

In my bag there’s a bible to show me the way, Through my twelfth year on earth and to Heaven some day. I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword, In defence of this land and the word of the Lord.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 9:27:00 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Springfield Reformer

I don’t know the future, but if you’re hoping that God will bless a nation of unrepentant and covetous fornicators, blasphemers, false teachers, idol worshipers, thieves, money lenders, gluttons, tyrants, prodigal parents, sluggards, schemers, feminists, and murderers, you’re reading a Bible I’ve never heard of.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 9:29:46 PM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Kartographer

Bookmark


32 posted on 11/27/2012 9:40:51 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: Flycatcher; doc1019; SpaceBar

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)


33 posted on 11/27/2012 9:40:54 PM PST by stanne
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To: Anti-Utopian
You left out: and re-elected a man whose party thrice denied Him and Israel a place on their party platform.
34 posted on 11/27/2012 9:41:31 PM PST by null and void (Knowledge increases exponentially, wisdom increases logarithmically.)
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To: doc1019

[[The greatness that was America, once lost, will never recover]]

Correct- the ONLY way it coudl recover now that it has sunk so far into hte sewer is IF God raises it up supernaturally- because Lord knows this coutnry WILL NOT voluntarilly take themselves off the government teet now that they have ‘tasted the good life’ thanks to government handouts and entitlements

This country has been going left for a long time now, and the great influx of leftist illegals into thuis country, and hte whing of the atheists and religions other than Chriostianity have dragged thsi country so far left that htere is NO gettign back the ocne great country we’ve so blindly squandered away!


35 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:39 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: mnehring

Our America is gone—but I have hopes that a new America will be born from the chaos that is coming—inflation, riots, central control, rationing, spies, and “the Camps” are all coming. But—things will change and change quickly. A spin to the right will come—that will be fascistic. There will be a great leader (it sure aint Obama) —there will be flags and uniforms, new music and art, yes, scapegoats too, It will be a re-brith but not of the America we once knew—a strange America with both good and bads. Good thing—No more PC, No more Race Cards, No more illegals, Globalism will be gone—we will make all we need here. More Jobs, a draft for National Service, yes, wars as well. Bads, Drug tests for all Americans once a month—failure to comply 6 months in the Labor Camps. A take over of all media—they will be forced to make pro-American films and TV shows or to the Camps with them! Freedom of speech will no longer exist. That’s what I see.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:31 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Sorry, but where in scripture do you read that things eventually get better (short of Christ’s return of course). Everything I have ever read tells a story of moral, political, and spiritual decline until the Second Coming. Did I miss something?


37 posted on 11/27/2012 9:49:06 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Hojczyk

America’s motto has changed from ‘What can I do for My Country’ to ‘My government OWES ME- and I want it all right now regardless of what it might do to this coutnry tomorrow’

You can NOT change that kind of attitude once it sets in- it is an incurrable cancer- money (and ‘free’ money in the form of entitlements) are the root of all evil- and htis country has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt by votign in EVIL and voting God out of this country- The truth DID NOT register with hte people- they preferred the LIES (Because the lies came from a black liberal (Whom they dare not call to the carpet for his lies because he is black) who promissed them free stuff)


38 posted on 11/27/2012 9:53:07 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: INVAR

Sad but true, I fear.


39 posted on 11/27/2012 10:29:56 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: nathanbedford

Sometimes I wonder what Zero, et. Al. Know that we don’t. Is there a giant asteroid coming soon and we don’t need to bother over who will pay the bills?


40 posted on 11/27/2012 10:35:37 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: nathanbedford
I have felt it better to have it collapse sooner and faster than later while there are still millions of armed patriots who remember what it was like in America when men were free.

However, it also appears that Bill Ayers will finally have the anti-capitalist gulags he planned in the Weather Underground.

41 posted on 11/27/2012 10:37:32 PM PST by Squeako (The radicals are the wolves. The moderates are the wolves in sheep's clothing.)
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To: Hojczyk

We are gonna rebuild with what?

The mix of northern white liberals and the brown invasion?

God...people are so frigging stupid still.

it is over...our way of life...we are outnumbered and getting more so every day

we can only take back our land and culture by being willing to fight for it

and from what I see around me here...a tall order indeed


42 posted on 11/27/2012 11:03:23 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: CottShop

Yup


43 posted on 11/27/2012 11:04:00 PM PST by onona (It's a good day to celebrate life, so I shall !)
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To: Hojczyk

>> We are a creative and vibrant people who believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

That’s right. And let that be a reminder to any pussy craphole that’s given up the Country.


44 posted on 11/27/2012 11:17:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Buck up, people. We can take on these giants...

Thank you, SR. That needed saying.

45 posted on 11/28/2012 12:02:00 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Hojczyk
We are a creative and vibrant people who believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Why do people even say stupid sh** like this anymore? The people who actually care about liberty are in the ever-shrinking minority. Our future is that of a balkanized 3rd world totalitarian nation with nukes.

46 posted on 11/28/2012 12:13:29 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The new America you see ain’t happening. We’re headed towards Communism.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 12:22:24 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: wardaddy
we can only take back our land and culture by being willing to fight for it

True enough. But I wouldn't be surprised if even these relatively innocuous comments were putting us on the government watch lists. It's an ugly age of data-driven government oversight of the citizenry.

48 posted on 11/28/2012 12:27:11 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Windflier; Springfield Reformer

>> >> Buck up, people. We can take on these giants...

>> Thank you, SR. That needed saying

Tired of the jackwagons condemning our Country to the abyss of despair.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 12:30:41 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric
Tired of the jackwagons condemning our Country to the abyss of despair.

During the American Revolution, a third of the colonists supported the revolution, another third opposed it, and yet another third didn't care one way or the other. Only 3% of the population actually picked up a gun and fired at the British.

Sometimes I think the percentages haven't changed a bit. It's no wonder that so few of us (even on this board) seem to have the willingness and courage to spit in the devil's eye.

50 posted on 11/28/2012 12:40:16 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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