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Amazon Kindle inches closer to iPad in tablet fray
WSJ/Market Watch ^ | November 27, 2012 | Dan Gallagher

Posted on 11/28/2012 4:59:31 AM PST by Mad Dawgg

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Amazon.com Inc. is expected to pick up share in the tablet market in the fourth quarter with strong sales of its Kindle devices, though Apple Inc.’s iPad will remain the dominant product line in the segment, according to a brokerage report on Tuesday.

Analysts at Pacific Crest said supply-chain research shows increased production orders for the Kindle Fire HD, which Amazon (US:AMZN) now sells in a variety of sizes and configurations. The broker raised its forecast for the Kindle line, which is now expected to account for 13% of tablet shipments for the year compared with 11% expected a month ago.

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The wife decided we needed kindle Fires for Christmas. They look cool and all but I read my ebooks using the Kindle Fire App on my laptop. Not sure its gonna knock my socks off and trying to tell my wife I wasn't all the excited about it was just not conducive to a quiet and restful household for the Holidays. She started getting the "You are not following my commandments" wrinkle on her forehead when I broached the subject. So I thought discretion would be the better part of valor on this particular issued and proceeded to nod and smile. "She who must be obeyed" is now happy again and I guess will make the appropriate sounds of joy and happiness when I receive my Kindle Fire. (I talked her down from the more expensive HD when I noted I would use it to read ebooks which really don't benefit one bit by being viewed on an HD screen.)
1 posted on 11/28/2012 4:59:36 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: Mad Dawgg

I used to lay around reading for fun. The past few years I have been so upset all I can read for any length of time is the Bible, I certainly can’t read some stupid novel. I wish I could


2 posted on 11/28/2012 5:06:58 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 5:07:49 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I recently got an iPad Mini, and really like having a device this size. Much more convenient than a laptop or a large tablet (which last I never bought because I always thought them too big and ungainly).

Try it, you may end up liking your Fire more than you thought you would.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 5:08:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Very wise of you. You seem to be able to read your wife without HD.


5 posted on 11/28/2012 5:09:48 AM PST by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: Mad Dawgg
the more expensive HD

Ah, that would be why my husband is saying he "needs" a new Kindle. Whatever.

6 posted on 11/28/2012 5:14:00 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I have a “plain” Kindle KB (keyboard). Honestly it is a much better way to read books.

My wife has the Fire, and loves it. When we were at my parents for Thanksgiving, my brother in law, who is a big Apple Fanboy, got to play with the Fire. He was impressed enough that he thought about buying one.

They aren't as powerful as an Ipad, but do a lot of the same stuff.

7 posted on 11/28/2012 5:15:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I too have the Kindle app, on my iPad. I love being able to carry the iPad around with several books on it. I also love being able to brighten the page and enlarge the print. Then, if I’m tired of the book, I can send and receive email, texts, surf the net etc. I’m not sure of the capabilities of the newest Kindle but although it’s quite a bit more expensive, I do love my iPad.


8 posted on 11/28/2012 5:16:20 AM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: wastedyears
"I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives."

Always? not even close. Its just that arguing over purchasing something as cheap as a 130 bucks is not worth it especially when we spend so little on non-essentials.

When she started talking about purchasing a new car, I would not relent. I've owned one new car in my life and unless I get to a point where money is never a concern (like winning a multimillion dollar lottery jackpot) I will never buy a new automobile again. Its just not worth the outlay of capital.

She believes these gadgets will be fun and we will use them alot. Me I use a laptop and love it. I can't for the life of me see where this gadget will replace my laptop. But hey if she gets a bit of enjoyment out of it then who am I to squelch it.

9 posted on 11/28/2012 5:16:38 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: yldstrk

I’m reading a lot of classics. This year I’ve read Nicholas Nickleby, Paradise Lost, Dante’s Divine Comedy, some Shakespeare, and of course, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and the Hobbit. If you prefer sacred or theology I recommend the two books on Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict, Men and Women He Created Them a new translation of John Paul II’s work on the theology of the body, and anything by C.S. Lewis.


10 posted on 11/28/2012 5:20:22 AM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: wastedyears

“I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives.”

Which would explain your name.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 5:20:34 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: wastedyears

It is simpler than listening to the whining.

Same reason why my bride lets me buy books and a rifle every once in a while. The cost is less than seeing me drool at the gun shop or book store.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 5:22:37 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I had a Kindle Fire and liked it but I liked my old kindle first edition with the ink screen because you could very easily read outside or at the beach. I just bought a Nexus 7 and I like that for browsing the web and doing all my reading except for outside. If I want to read outside I load up my first kindle and take it with me. The Swype function on the keyboard is also great on the Nexus 7, I’m not sure if the newer Kindle Fires come with it.


13 posted on 11/28/2012 5:24:02 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: FreedomPoster
"Try it, you may end up liking your Fire more than you thought you would."

my major concern is that if I understand it right a Kindle Fire is "touchscreen" which for me is a problem.

First I like a keyboard and a touchscreen interface seems so slow to me.

Second I hate fingerprints on my screen it annoys me to the point of being an obsession.

Third for some reason my hands get very dry which means I am using hand cream every day which aggravates the issue of fingerprints on my screen.

14 posted on 11/28/2012 5:25:41 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: wastedyears

You can be right, or you can be happy :-)


15 posted on 11/28/2012 5:27:29 AM PST by LadyBuck (Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go......empty.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Nothing electronic shall ever replace, in my humble hovel, a real book! I may be old school, but books, my glider rocker, and either sunlight, moonlight, or electric light (incandescent bulbs only, the others are not in my budget), and a cup of tea or coffee, and I’m fine.

You can’t break a printed book. It will not have software issues, battery fires, or broken in frustration glass screens.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 5:27:53 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Mad Dawgg

I have an iPhone so thought of sticking with Apple when hinting for a mini pad for CHRISTmas.

Son#3 has a Kindle Fire and when I held it, it seemed heavy and bulky. Is the iPad Mimi easier to hold than the Fire. I’m not big on apps. I just like to go and bookmark where google takes me-— mostly current news. So my tastes are simple.

Would I like Apple or Amazon Kindle do you think?


17 posted on 11/28/2012 5:30:02 AM PST by Exit148
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To: Mad Dawgg

Wish my wife were on Fire


18 posted on 11/28/2012 5:30:15 AM PST by Bertha Fanation
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To: Mad Dawgg

I have an iPhone so thought of sticking with Apple when hinting for a mini pad for CHRISTmas.

Son#3 has a Kindle Fire and when I held it, it seemed heavy and bulky. Is the iPad Mimi easier to hold than the Fire. I’m not big on apps. I just like to go and bookmark where google takes me-— mostly current news. So my tastes are simple.

Would I like Apple or Amazon Kindle do you think?


19 posted on 11/28/2012 5:30:27 AM PST by Exit148
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To: Mad Dawgg

Sorry folks, Kindle is good, but Audible is best. I listen to books while running, moving grass, driving, doing house repairs, before going to sleep at night. I’m about to finish my third book this month and will have read 23 for this year so far...including Gone with the Wind, which is like three average books in length. Fiction, non-fiction, best sellers and classics.

Audible on Droid with bluetooth headphones rock!


20 posted on 11/28/2012 5:31:08 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Bertha Fanation

LMAO! Awesome name. First time I’ve come across it.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 5:32:35 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Exit148

Oops- sorry ‘bout the double posting.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 5:35:11 AM PST by Exit148
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To: Exit148
"Would I like Apple or Amazon Kindle do you think?"

Not sure because I have used neither gadget much to date. However there are others on the thread who have seemed to use both. Maybe then can enlighten you.

23 posted on 11/28/2012 5:38:09 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I got it from this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOVzXYEU3Bk


24 posted on 11/28/2012 5:38:54 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: wastedyears
I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives.

Because it just isn't worth the stress. With a guy you can tell him to get over it and a day later he'll still be your best bud. Women don't ever forget.

25 posted on 11/28/2012 5:40:31 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: wastedyears

Uh...OK. I think maybe you missed the joke.

Anyway, maybe this will help. A wise man once told his newly married son that he now had a choice to make in determining how he wanted to live the rest of his life with his wife — he could either be right, or he could be happy.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 5:48:12 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“”She who must be obeyed””

:) - loved Rumpold.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 5:51:56 AM PST by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Terry L Smith
"Nothing electronic shall ever replace, in my humble hovel, a real book!"

The Kindle has for me. Try it, perhaps, like me, you'll find it much, much better, and wind up reading many times more than before. The advantages I've found (in no particular order) are: (1) The Kindle is very light and much easier to hold than a book; you won't know how much of a difference that makes until you try it for a couple of days. (2) You can hold more than 1500 books on a Kindle, and each book stays right on the page where you left off. This allows me to easily read three or four books at the same time. (3) The type size is adjustable, a great benefit for those of us who need glasses. (4) The Kindle covers either have integrated lights, or, as with the Kindle Fire, the screen itself is illuminated. This makes it very cozy for reading at night. (5) You can search for and download a new book in less than a minute. Sometimes, I'd be reading a book review and decide I'd like to read that book, and it's there on my Kindle in less time than it took to read the review. (6) There are very nice leather covers for the Kindles that look like antique bindings and add hardly anything to the weight. This allows me to take the Kindle with me anywhere, and I do. (7) Amazon lets you to have up to six Kindles on one account, all loaded with the same books without an extra fee. This allows you to have a Kindle everywhere, at home, at work (for lunch), or where ever, and each Kindle automatically synchronizes to the last page you read on any other Kindle.

BTW, I've had my Kindles for three years, and have never had a sofware failure, a broken screen, or a malfunction of any kind.

28 posted on 11/28/2012 5:54:45 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: Mad Dawgg

I bought my husband a Kindle for his birthday 2-3 years ago. He had said he really didn’t need or want one. Now that he has it, he uses it a lot. He reads heavy theological material. Heavy in both size of book and its contents. He isn’t able to get all of them on Kindle, but enough that it makes it a little easier for him to take his reading along.


29 posted on 11/28/2012 5:59:16 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: wastedyears
I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives.

"Always" is a bit strong. We have a nice simple rule for harmony in the kevkrom house -- she makes all of the small decisions, and I make the big ones. And in 14 years, amazingly, we haven't had a big decision yet...

30 posted on 11/28/2012 6:03:43 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I read a lot of books off of Gutenberg.org. (I subscribe to the RSS feed to get the daily list of "new" books...)

Any way, one of the admin people there posted a negative review of the Kindle Fire because it really wants to show ads, even if you shut it down. That is, it will turn itself on at night to display ads. That, and Amazon made it difficult to load books from other sources.

The end of the review also includes a link to an app to load from Gutenberg, FWIW, to restore some of the expected generic functionality. I have a rooted B&N Simple Touch, myself. I'll eventually upgrade, once the dust and prices settle in the 7" market.

31 posted on 11/28/2012 6:04:05 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Exit148
I’m not big on apps. I just like to go and bookmark where google takes me-— mostly current news. So my tastes are simple. Would I like Apple or Amazon Kindle do you think?

For that usage profile, I'd lead toward Kindle (or Nook, if you're so inclined). The strength of the iPad is that it's more versatile and powerful -- if you don't need that, then a less expensive alternative is probably better.

I have a Kindle Fire myself, and while I have some apps installed, I rarely use them (as opposed to the apps on my iPhone). It's used 99% of the time for reading books, and frankly, the only benefit the Fire has over the basic Kindle in that respect is that it's in color, which can help for illustrated books.

32 posted on 11/28/2012 6:08:49 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
(I talked her down from the more expensive HD when I noted I would use it to read ebooks which really don't benefit one bit by being viewed on an HD screen.)

I disagree. The higher the resolution and more particularly the greater the pixel density the nicer the text looks as there would be less pixelation noticeable with the characters. This is why Apple's new retina display Ipad is so nice and also Google's new Nexus 10" tablet. I use the Kindle app as well for reading on the retina and I find it much easier on the eyes then my older Ipad2.

33 posted on 11/28/2012 6:09:13 AM PST by Lent
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To: Mad Dawgg
I have a Kindle Fire (last years's model, not the new one) and I really like it. It's much more convenient than my laptop for reading books, it fits in my jacket pocket, or a cargo pocket of my pants (something a laptop won't do), the battery lasts for much longer than a laptop would.

We're getting my daughter the new Kindle iPad-equivalent.

34 posted on 11/28/2012 6:12:17 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PUGACHEV
Ditto all the way down the line. I'd pretty much reduced my pleasure reading to nothing until I got my first gen Kindle, now I read all the time. Plus a lot of the "classics" that I like to read are in the public domain and free.

I have found with advancing age that I'm now seriously thinking about the paper white version. Sure, I can enlarge the font on my gen 1 but the paper white looks very sharp.

Anyone have any hands on with the paper white?

35 posted on 11/28/2012 6:17:35 AM PST by Proud_texan (You didn't build that, Dear Leader did)
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To: Terry L Smith

There are some advantages an ebook reader. Being able to carry multiple tomes and news sources for one. Another is the built in dictionary. Highlight a word, and it look it up.

Okay, the dictionary can be sorely lacking, and very annoying when handling adverbs.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 6:22:53 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: kevkrom

LOL!


37 posted on 11/28/2012 6:28:47 AM PST by CAluvdubya (We're doomed....)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“my major concern is that if I understand it right a Kindle Fire is “touchscreen” which for me is a problem.”

I prefer the Kindle keyboard for reading some books, and the laptop for others (e.g. diagram-heavy books and manuals). The easy portability of the Kindle is the main selling point for me. I find the Nook (touchscreen) less efficient so it usually stays home in the drawer.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 6:29:29 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Sawdring; Mad Dawgg

I have not bought the Kindle Fire, but my son purchased a Nexus as soon as it came out. I have taken it over. Just upstairs in my bedroom. I had been using a tv up there and a bluray system that let me stream netflix. After getting the Nexus up there, I can surf the web, watch Netflix, and have found I am not turning on the tv. And for reading I still have my Kindle 3G. For real computing, I still sit down at my desktop computer. I have it setup to work like a laptop, though, or better, with wireless keyboard & mouse. But for crunching power, nothing beats desktops, still.

I believe the Kindle Fire is comparable in apps to the Nexus, and a bit cheaper.


39 posted on 11/28/2012 6:34:20 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: Exit148

The mini iPad is wonderful, it’s light and you can read all your Kindle books on it .

I just gave it as a gift and it was a big hit!


40 posted on 11/28/2012 6:38:12 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Use a stylus, I do.


41 posted on 11/28/2012 6:39:12 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: wastedyears
I don’t understand why men always capitulate to their wives.

As my father told me..."son once you're married you have a choice to make. From now on you can chose to be happy or you can chose to be right. You can't be both"

42 posted on 11/28/2012 6:56:47 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: yldstrk
I read a lot for work and when I'm not working, I'm driving to and from work or working on something around the house. This leaves little time for pleasure reading.

Audio books.

I never go anywhere without my Zune loaded with audio books downloaded from the public library. I can cook, clean, fix, shovel, mend, solder, sweep, drive while enjoying a good book.

43 posted on 11/28/2012 6:57:42 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Proud_texan
"Plus a lot of the "classics" that I like to read are in the public domain and free."

That's a big advantage I forgot to mention. Amazon has done a remarkable job of making out of print books and books in the public domain available on the Kindle for a buck or two, or sometimes for nothing. Often, these out of print books are not available except through the Kindle. As an example, last Summer I had an itch to read about the Boxer Rebellion. Within ten minutes I had downloaded three first hand accounts, long, long out of print. I could not have had access to these books any other way except through the Kindle. Another example would be WWI first hand accounts, many of which are esoteric, and of which there are dozens and dozens available on the Kindle.

44 posted on 11/28/2012 7:02:28 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: Proud_texan
"Plus a lot of the "classics" that I like to read are in the public domain and free."

That's a big advantage I forgot to mention. Amazon has done a remarkable job of making out of print books and books in the public domain available on the Kindle for a buck or two, or sometimes for nothing. Often, these out of print books are not available except through the Kindle. As an example, last Summer I had an itch to read about the Boxer Rebellion. Within ten minutes I had downloaded three first hand accounts, long, long out of print. I could not have had access to these books any other way except through the Kindle. Another example would be WWI first hand accounts, many of which are esoteric, and of which there are dozens and dozens available on the Kindle.

45 posted on 11/28/2012 7:03:24 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: COUNTrecount
"Use a stylus, I do."

No worries about scratching the screen? (Otherwise it sounds like a plan.)

46 posted on 11/28/2012 7:19:25 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I tried most all those tablets Nook,Fire,Samsung but ever since I got the Toshiba Thrive I haven’t had my laptop or desktop on. T he Thrive is heavy and the speakers could be better but functionally its the tops......


47 posted on 11/28/2012 7:41:27 AM PST by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Mad Dawgg

Absolutely not.

“Boxwave” at Amazon has a wonderful one, I’ve given them out as gifts.


48 posted on 11/28/2012 7:42:44 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: PUGACHEV

Tons of out of print old stuff here, even the 1790 census . Many older herb books it may take awhile to find what you want but more than likely it is here! Also they are all free....

http://archive.org/details/texts


49 posted on 11/28/2012 7:53:41 AM PST by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Lee'sGhost
I listen to books while running, moving grass, driving, doing house repairs, before going to sleep at night.

Me too. And recently I stumbled upon http://archive.org/details/oldtimeradio

This site has thousands of radio shows from the '40's and '50's, in MP3 format. All are free and easy to download. Comedies, dramas, detective stories, westerns, etc. Most are 30 minutes in length.

If you like detective stores, I recommend "Yours truly Johnny Dollar". For westerns, "Gunsmoke".

50 posted on 11/28/2012 7:56:42 AM PST by Leaning Right
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