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S.F. gun ordinances are upheld
sfgate.com ^ | 27 November, 2012 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 11/28/2012 8:36:43 AM PST by marktwain

Edited on 11/28/2012 8:40:07 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

San Francisco can require handgun owners to keep their weapons locked when stored at home and can ban bullets that expand or splinter on contact, a federal judge has ruled in rejecting a National Rifle Association-backed effort to block enforcement of the local gun laws.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; ca; constitution; home
I recall the Heller decision specifically forbidding laws which required handguns to be locked up in the home. It is not reasonable to expect people to wear a holstered gun while sleeping.
1 posted on 11/28/2012 8:36:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It will be overturned (at least it should).


2 posted on 11/28/2012 8:42:58 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: marktwain

BTW: I’m to the point where I’m fine letting these big cities take the guns out of law abiding citizens hands and letting the criminals be the only one with guns. It is sure to lead to the decay of their city.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 8:44:32 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: marktwain

“Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding...”

“Judges in every State shall be bound thereby...”

“The Right of the people to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

Impeach the judges who rule against the above. They are acting FAR beyond their mandate.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 8:46:18 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: marktwain
The sick and twisted anti-American commies of San Freakcisco at it again. The anal orifice of Taxifornia.
5 posted on 11/28/2012 8:46:30 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: for-q-clinton

Not good enough, Here we have a Federal Judge who Willfully, Knowingly, and deliberately issued a Ruling in direct contradiction of a Recently Decided Supreme Court Precedence, one in which HE is REQUIRED TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE IN HIS RULINGS. He belongs in PRISON.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 8:48:47 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: marktwain

Then the grieving family can sue the SFPD because they didn’t get to the victim in time, riiiiight? /sarc


7 posted on 11/28/2012 8:50:05 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

>>I recall the Heller decision specifically forbidding laws which required handguns to be locked up in the home.

You are correct, but the “judge” in this case is an Obama appointee and hence illiterate.


8 posted on 11/28/2012 8:50:55 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: eyeamok

He doesn’t belong in prison; he belongs on a scaffold.


9 posted on 11/28/2012 8:52:30 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain

What would you expect?

On August 7, 2009, President Barack Obama nominated Seeborg to be a United States district judge on the United States District Court for the Northern District of California.


10 posted on 11/28/2012 8:52:36 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: DuncanWaring

voting with one’s trigger finger will be in vogue soon.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 8:53:55 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: marktwain
"...and can ban bullets that expand or splinter on contact..."

..because rounds that over penetrate are so much more appropriate in apartments and other urban areas with high concentrations of people...and ignoring the fact that this amounts to a ban on pretty much all hunting bullets. I can't wait to watch the NRA sue them for attorney fees after this stupidity is undone.

12 posted on 11/28/2012 8:54:03 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: marktwain

Wait, wait, what about the hollow points that the SS, NSA, and other agencies just bought? You mean they can’t use them in SF?

100% of the people in the US are in violation of some law, so they can choose to prosecute anyone that does not Kow Tow.


13 posted on 11/28/2012 8:54:24 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Mouton

“From the rooftops”.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 8:55:07 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain

Pure stupidity. I’m sure an appeal will be forthcoming.


15 posted on 11/28/2012 9:05:56 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

You can own a gun, you just can’t have access to it...


16 posted on 11/28/2012 9:07:22 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: marktwain

Lets play the left’s game and go on the offensive. The 2nd ammendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but not all Americans can afford to exercise this right. We need to demand that the govt provide guns for free or at a greatly discounted price to eligible American citizens. And of course having a gun is useless without ammunition so that should be provided as well. The left considers free contraception to be a right but that is nowhere to be found in the constitution. How can they deny us free guns and ammunition?


17 posted on 11/28/2012 9:10:13 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: for-q-clinton

Workin pretty well for Chicago so far.


18 posted on 11/28/2012 9:18:17 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: marktwain

Another renegade judge legislating from the bench. Gee, I wonder why politicians and judges are so worried about citizens having hollow-point bullets? The Feds are certainly okay using them, if recent purchases are any indication. I love this country, but the government scares the crap outta me.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 9:19:46 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Your logic is impeccable.

Don’t expect a lib to understand it.

20 posted on 11/28/2012 9:24:02 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Lets play the left’s game and go on the offensive. The 2nd ammendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but not all Americans can afford to exercise this right. We need to demand that the govt provide guns for free or at a greatly discounted price to eligible American citizens. And of course having a gun is useless without ammunition so that should be provided as well. The left considers free contraception to be a right but that is nowhere to be found in the constitution. How can they deny us free guns and ammunition?

They should pass a law that compels every American to own a firearm and a minimum amount of ammunition. Failure to comply results in a fine (tax). States should set up gun and ammo exchanges in order to ensure a more competitive market. ;-)

21 posted on 11/28/2012 9:32:40 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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Citizens cant use hollow point ammunition because its so “deadly” but the social security people pack it.

Glad they are looking out for Grandpa. Would not want Grandpa to suffer.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 9:44:17 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: marktwain

And how do they enforce the locked-at-home bit?


23 posted on 11/28/2012 9:44:22 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

I would add that registration, waiting periods, and requiring IDs to for gun ownership disproportionately suppress minorities’ right to bear arms. We need to eliminate all that. We need to make gun ownership more convenient...perhaps a “Motor Gun Owner” law where you can obtain a provisional gun at your local Bureau of Motor Vehicles.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 9:48:17 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: marktwain

9th district? Good chance it will be overturned.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 9:56:08 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: marktwain

This is fantastic news. It will be upheld by the 9th Circus, then overturned by SCOTUS.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 9:58:22 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Make the funding of the Treasury Department (including secret service) and the DHS contingent on the passage of the Affordable Firearms and Self Defense Act and national voter ID requirements for all federally held offices.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 10:20:51 AM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: marktwain
Okay judge, so no Hollow Points, Self Defense or Zombie ammo can be used in your home in Slag Fagsisco. Only military style Full Metal Jacket, aka Ball Ammo is allowed -- fine if you say so.

Then I presume when a home owner uses his handgun - which he legally kept in his holster on his nightstand puts five rounds in a Burglar and three go through him and the wall and hit some innocent bystander, possibly killing them, the home owner - aka 'crime victim' - will be legally absolved of any and all responsibility for said collateral damage in using the legally required FMJ ammo, right?

an aside: While you were at it judge you should have also ruled that if using a Shotgun for Home Self Defense that only SLUGS can be used as those nasty 00 pellets in a 12ga shotgun can cause multiple wounds. And that wouldn't be 'fair' to some poor downtrodden person pushed into a life of crime by 'the man'. Now would it?

(flippin ijits)

28 posted on 11/28/2012 10:22:29 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: trebb
And how do they enforce the locked-at-home bit?

Knock knock, gun inspector.

29 posted on 11/28/2012 10:32:30 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: trebb; All
And how do they enforce the locked-at-home bit?

In Canada, one tactic was to wait until you used it in self defense, then you had to prove that it was unloaded and locked up, or you were charged with unsafe storage of a firearm.

30 posted on 11/28/2012 11:02:38 AM PST by marktwain
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And how do they enforce the locked-at-home bit?

There is the ever popular means of giving rewards to snitches, and to encourage children to inform on their parents. Children are already being asked whether their parents have guns in the home by doctors, and many doctors are claiming that it is their first amendment right to do so and to enter the information in government databases.

31 posted on 11/28/2012 11:05:07 AM PST by marktwain
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To: for-q-clinton

My emotion is with you on this, but we have to be universal that all our rights are kept intact.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 11:09:34 AM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: trebb

They’d be sure to check after an unlawful entry, to cover their arses.


33 posted on 11/28/2012 11:27:12 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: marktwain
In Canada, one tactic was to wait until you used it in self defense, then you had to prove that it was unloaded and locked up, or you were charged with unsafe storage of a firearm.

I keep gun locks co-located with my self-defense weapons. In the event that someone asked about safe storage, I could prove that I was capable of complying with even my state's stupid rules. I wouldn't respond until I had a lawyer present, but I do have the means to make my firearms useless for self-defense if I so choose.

34 posted on 11/28/2012 11:44:19 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain

Tell this to the Bay ARea gangbangers.. They have more firepower than the rest of the populace.. and the police too.


35 posted on 11/28/2012 12:33:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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