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Few female Marines step forward for infantry
Washington Times ^ | November 25, 2012 | Kristia Wong

Posted on 11/28/2012 1:45:12 PM PST by QT3.14

Female Marine officers are unlikely to join the infantry anytime soon, in part because of a lack of volunteers for the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer Course, which was opened to women in September.

Only two of about 80 eligible female Marines have volunteered for the course -- a grueling, three-month advanced regimen conducted at Quantico, Va., that was opened to women to research their performance.

Of the two female volunteers, one washed out on the first day, along with 26 of the107 men, and the other dropped out two weeks later for medical reasons, a Marine Corps spokesman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: equality; infantry; marines; military
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Just don't lower the standards then claim women can do the same job!!
1 posted on 11/28/2012 1:45:27 PM PST by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

I met a lot of BAMs and worked with a few. I believe some of them could have hacked it.
But that was 40 years ago and things were different.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 1:48:14 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

In 20 years, I never met one. I had one that tried, only to find out later that she was purging in order to keep up with the males. She couldn’t accept that her body was fundamentally different. She was medically discharged.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 1:53:01 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: QT3.14

My orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear and serve in my beloved corp.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 1:53:25 PM PST by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: QT3.14

just make them sign up for the draft,too.


5 posted on 11/28/2012 1:55:02 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: QT3.14

In related news:

Soldiers don fake belly, breasts to better understand pregnant troops’ exercise concerns

...The Army is ordering its hardened combat veterans to wear fake breasts and empathy bellies so they can better understand how pregnant soldiers feel during physical training.

This week, 14 noncommissioned officers at Camp Zama took turns wearing the “pregnancy simulators” as they stretched, twisted and exercised during a three-day class that teaches them to serve as fitness instructors for pregnant soldiers and new mothers. (snip)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2848440/posts


6 posted on 11/28/2012 1:55:52 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: QT3.14
There are few things that will pull at a man's heartstrings like the screams of agony coming from a female they know who is in peril.
7 posted on 11/28/2012 1:58:11 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I’ve never met one woman who could do the job, carry the weight or march and run with the weight which is needed.

We had one woman with us as a test in the Arctic and mountain warfare training in the Arctic and it was a disgrace to even think this woman who was supposed to have even the best could do the job.

All a woman has to do to get in the marines is 1 yes 1 pull up and 2 pulls ups to graduate which is a disgrace too.
They have more time for a run, less weight to carry .

It’s time to stop this nonsense about women thinking they can do the same job, they cannot , we are built differently also to be fair some men I;ve seen should not be in the military at all, ie.e Manning the homosexual who gave our secrets away is a prime example.

The military shuld not be used as a social agenda for the new party called the socialist party


8 posted on 11/28/2012 2:00:52 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: QT3.14
How about we don’t waste time on putting females in strong back jobs and utilize their talents in brainy jobs like...

Intel
Med
QuaterM
JAG
AG
Finance

...oh yeah, they are already in all those highly sought-after jobs.

Mature people ought to accept that there are no females in the NFL and no female Dogfaces in the Army and no primary Infantry MOS fem Marines. There are reasons.

9 posted on 11/28/2012 2:01:56 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: donna

tell me that is a joke please.

We had a woman with us who was on her period, because we were in the Arctic she had to carry her tampon wiht her and waiting for her to change in minus 50 with the wind chill is pure B/S


10 posted on 11/28/2012 2:02:29 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: rednesss

11 posted on 11/28/2012 2:02:36 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Monterrosa-24

We’re arguing with these fools in their folly, or in this case, in their deceptiveness.

They don’t really want fems in the infantry,
they want to destroy the effectiveness of the infantry.

Just like they don’t really care if gays get married,
they want to destroy the concept of marriage.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 2:03:53 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rednesss

“My orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear and serve in my beloved corp.”
*************

corp?

your.....corporation?????

Sounds like something obama would say!

Semper Corps!
*****

1952—1972
*****


13 posted on 11/28/2012 2:04:16 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Monterrosa-24

agreed, I;ve already stated on this thread about how we had a woman with us as a test so I’ll let you read it if you want.

But have you seen the 4 women suing to get in the combat units?

They could never carry 130 pound over mountinas for 30 miles in 8 hours, hell half the men cannot and yet these idiots want to put front lines marines and soldiers in danger because of their arrogant selfish attitude.

I wrote a reort to the higher ups about this woman and told them how it did not work out but I bet my report was ripped up just like many who said openly serving homosexuals and cross dressers should not be let in the military.

It’s obvious that this admin does not care about lives , Libya was a prime example of that so lives being lost due to their social agenda is another bump in the road


14 posted on 11/28/2012 2:06:27 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: donna
“...so they can better understand how pregnant soldiers feel...”

As a caller to Hanity said yesterday, “Men are NOT supposed to know how it feels”. Pregnancy is a wonderful gift to women. It is part of the special spiritual bond they have with their children. Women are not victimized by pregnancy.

15 posted on 11/28/2012 2:08:12 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: manc

Politically, men need to toss political correctness and bring back logical thinking.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 2:08:25 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: QT3.14

I’m sure there are one or two women out there that can do this. I’m sure a 300 pound man doesn’t want to be “rescued” by a 100 pound female firefighter from a 6 story building. Like she’ll be able to carry him out. Women need to realize they don’t have the physical ability men do.

Thank God for men!


17 posted on 11/28/2012 2:10:54 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Monterrosa-24

Female leaders in combat:

...While most of us actually hear female voices more clearly, men’s brains hear women’s voices first as music. But it’s not music. It’s someone giving them a honey-do list. So the brain goes into overdrive trying to analyze what is being said.

Bottom line: Men have to work harder deciphering what women are saying because they use the auditory part of the brain that processes music, not human voices. Men’s brains are not designed to listen to women’s voices. It’s not the pitch of the woman’s voice, but rather the vibration and number of sound waves that cause the problem, notes Discovery News.

But guys have no trouble at all hearing each other because men use a much simpler brain mechanism at the back of the brain to decipher another man’s voice and recognize it as speech.

http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/men/package.jsp?floc=DC-topb&name=fte/womenspeak/womenspeak


18 posted on 11/28/2012 2:13:04 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

agreed, my wife has just said that todays modern man have become wimps and women like.

I think she is right so don’t hold your breath about some men to actually stand up against PC.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 2:15:38 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MrB

Bingo.


20 posted on 11/28/2012 2:19:00 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: gunnyg

Probably a corpse man.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 2:20:55 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: Dixie Yooper
There are few things that will pull at a man's heartstrings like the screams of agony coming from a female they know who is in peril.

One of the 400+ commenters at the link:

The Israelis tried it years ago and dropped it fast. When the Arabs
captured one they would torture her into screaming and the Israeli
grunts went nuts and against orders tried to save them. Men, other
than moslem males that is, are hard wired that way. The ambushes set
up by the Arabs slaughtered them. That was the end of that piece of
liberal stupidity. NOW they want to try it here. God help us all
and God save the Corps.

22 posted on 11/28/2012 2:23:05 PM PST by QT3.14 ( USA: Likely only country in world history to adopt policies and laws that ensure self-destruction)
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To: QT3.14

Any waman stupid enough to want to be a Marine infantry officer is waaaay to stupid to be one.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 2:27:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: manc; flowerplough

We’ve gone insane!

From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces (report date November 15, 1992, published in book form by Brassey’s in 1993):

“The average female Army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 fewer pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55 percent of the upper-body strength and 72 percent of the lower-body strength...

...women are more than twice as likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer [stress] fractures as men.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657794/replies?c=39


24 posted on 11/28/2012 2:28:11 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna
God never intended for women to be the protector. He made them to be nurturer's.
25 posted on 11/28/2012 2:29:40 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: QT3.14

Keep the standards of the Corps at the highest level. If any woman wants to try and can manage to keep up with the big boys, fine.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 2:30:43 PM PST by lurk
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To: Indy Pendance

Firefighter have a rodeo each yera that is a physical test of the best.
Dragging hose ,chopping ,climbing,carrying, all of the thing Firefighters do.

They have a course for men and a course for women.

If women can do the job they should compete against the men.
They get paid the same.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 2:33:26 PM PST by Venturer
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To: jessduntno

Nah, nobody real.


28 posted on 11/28/2012 2:34:21 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I married a BAM 40 years ago and she would still kick your ass for using the term BAM. Then again, that was 40 years ago and she has mellowed quite a bit. Most of the WMs we knew could have never hacked the training much less extended combat.

Semper Fi from both of us.


29 posted on 11/28/2012 2:34:43 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: QT3.14
The only way this will work is the women must pass ALL the same PT tests and other tests as the men do. Otherwise you have a dishonestly skewed system that gets good Marines killed.

Only two countries had mixed-gender combat units: (1) Israel in its War for Independence (1948-1949) and (2) Russia's Great Patriotic War (1941-1945). Neither of them employ females in frontline combat roles for good reasons that were written in blood,

1. The women and men suffered disproportionate casualties. The women tried to prove themselves and took more risks. The men tried to protect the women.
2. Women casualties had far greater effects on unit morale among the women and the men.
3. Fraternization was an on-going and serious problem that caused order discipline problems in these units.

Both Israel and Russia have women in their military branches today and the women are given combat training. However, they are not assigned to combat arms of infantry, armor, and artillery.

The Canadian Army has opened its infantry units to women. Only three women passed the selection process and none are presently serving with infantry units.

30 posted on 11/28/2012 2:37:00 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: donna

equal rights should mean equal rights but that also should mean that a woman should do exactly the same test as a man and they do not.

Like you said, this is insane.

Think of this.

right now this admin wants submarines to be changed to allow women on them when there is no room on a sub and if anyone has been on one then they would know.

Right now we have homosexuals openly serving and sharing showers with a gender which they are turned on to.

we have cross dressers who can get out of uniform at the end of the day and then dress as if they are the other sex.

Women are just built differently.
I’ve been chopping wood and splitting it , my wife does not do that and admits she cannot do it.

I know the elft have this version and idea of how we should have a world without borders,
A world where men and women are the same but the fact is we are not,.

The left live in a fantasy world and the problem witht hem is that they tell each other over the internet how smart they are, how stupid the right is and how their fantasy world is the right world but they ignore facts.

I’ts like a left wing pansy man saying he is a woman, er no you have something between your legs, you might not like it, it probably is small for a left wing weenie but it is still there


31 posted on 11/28/2012 2:46:59 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: QT3.14
i guess vaginal and urinary tract infections aren't as popular as the think tanks think they are...
32 posted on 11/28/2012 3:04:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Venturer

My Marine buddies favorite tagline:

A WM not on her back is a WM out of her MOS.


33 posted on 11/28/2012 3:13:23 PM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: donna
Politically, men need to toss political correctness and bring back logical thinking.

True, but so do the monkeys in the zoo.

Apparently, you haven't heard of the "War on Men"

34 posted on 11/28/2012 3:26:30 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Coldwater Creek
God never intended for women to be the protector. He made them to be nurturer's

Well, they stopped doing that generations ago and became combatants.

Now, what?

35 posted on 11/28/2012 3:29:56 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: donna
Interesting. I always suspected as much.

It's also true that people of either sex who are a little hard of hearing (like me) don't hear women's voices or comprehend their words very well. The first set of vocal frequencies to deteriorate in most people's auditory range, is the female vocal pattern. I can hear men, but not women on the phone. Young women in particular drive me nuts.

Includentally, the first vocal frequencies a baby can make out, are in the female vocal range. People seem to unconsciously realize this: note how people universally raise their pitch when talking to babies and small children.

36 posted on 11/28/2012 3:48:27 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: QT3.14
There's something sick about a country that sends women either into combat or down into coal mines.
37 posted on 11/28/2012 3:55:11 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: QT3.14

Congratulations girls, you are not officially men.

Now get down there and sign up for the draft.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 4:08:01 PM PST by DManA
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To: elkfersupper
Apparently, you haven't heard of the "War on Men"

Well, I have.

I'm suggesting it's time to fight back by radicalizing the youth.

39 posted on 11/28/2012 4:21:07 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: hillarys cankles
A WM not on her back is a WM out of her MOS.

Who is paying you to infest this site?

40 posted on 11/28/2012 4:31:19 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: donna
Politically, men need to toss political correctness and bring back logical thinking.

To do that, many men are going to have to start thinking with the other head.

41 posted on 11/28/2012 4:33:23 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: RJS1950

HAH! I think we liked using the word BAM just to get them wimmin all stirred up. LMAO! I remember one night I was walking guard duty at mainside Lejeune and they had a fire drill at the BAM barracks. That was pretty interesting for a while.
Semper Fi to the two of you!


42 posted on 11/28/2012 4:35:54 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: QT3.14

In the words of the most famous marine ever:

Shurprise!!!

Shurprise!!!

Shurprise!!!

Does the military realize that GI Jane was a movie?


43 posted on 11/28/2012 4:37:00 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: QT3.14

And it’s politicians pushing this stuff, not the enlisted women. I was in 20 years ago when this debate was starting and all of my shipmates and WMs said they weren’t interested in infantry-type jobs.


44 posted on 11/28/2012 4:39:54 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Monterrosa-24

it’s bad enough guys have to die, and have to lose friends in war.

personally people are people, i don’t think it’s any worse or better to lose a good woman or a good guy. it’s equally bad.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 5:57:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rednesss
my beloved corp(sic).

Corps

46 posted on 11/28/2012 5:58:59 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: manc

that’s just it right there. the lawyers line up for the people with brasts who can’t pass the tests, where are they for the guys who wash out? wasn’t it ufair they couldn’t pass the test too? they failed so obviously just like the women, it’s the TEST’s fault.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 5:59:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: TurboZamboni
just make them sign up for the draft,too.

Yep, I've said for years that if the feminists and the politically correct had been serious about real equality for women, that all women be required to register for the draft and be drafted 1 to 1 with men would have been among their top two or three demands.

Have never once heard one of the phony feminists suggest that.

48 posted on 11/28/2012 6:01:38 PM PST by Will88
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To: donna

right on. just about any time a woman i know talks to me it’s about doing something for her.

that, and if it comes in pink. “it” being anything.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 6:02:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

they are protectors, not primary protectors, secondary protectors.


50 posted on 11/28/2012 6:04:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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