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Grover Norquist is the problem with Washington DC, not the solution
PJMedia ^ | 28 Nov 12 | Patrick Poole

Posted on 11/28/2012 2:49:58 PM PST by LSUfan

One of the bigger political stories of the past few days has been the backlash by some members of the GOP to the manner in which Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform wields some legislators’ tax pledges as a bludgeon to Grover’s own agenda.

Some of the criticism of these lawmakers is on target as they lose their nerve following Obama’s reelection and are contemplating various “revenue enhancements” or “tax reform” schemes as mechanisms to raise taxes on American citizens. Fair enough.

But that in no way makes Grover Norquist the guy in the white hat as a review of his record shows. Not only did Norquist endorse increases in government spending (which we now have to pay for), but his record shows that Grover Norquist’s primary interest in DC is not the taxpayers but no one other than Grover Norquist and whomever is paying for his time (and it sure ain’t the taxpayers).

Let’s review some data points:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; norquist; spending; taxes; terrorism
Norquist is at the very least an apologist for Islamism.
1 posted on 11/28/2012 2:50:12 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

First reply. You’re quick.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 2:51:34 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: LSUfan

Islam and Tax policy are two seperate problems.

1. In 2008, we went BANANAS spending ourself into debt. The solution is not to raise taxes to support the spending. The solution is to cut spending.

2. If Norquist is an Islamic apologist, then he is an idiot. That has nothing to do with tax policy.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 3:00:39 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: LSUfan
Some of the criticism of these lawmakers is on target as they lose their nerve following Obama’s reelection and are contemplating various “revenue enhancements” or “tax reform” schemes as mechanisms to raise taxes on American citizens.

I'm starting to see a bit of hypocrisy in these attacks on Norquist. If you want to attack him as a muslim apologist or a Saudi agent, then fine. Its about time.

But it almost looks like people are attacking his muslim connections as a way of excusing their decision to surrender to the president on taxes.

They didn't notice his muslim connections before now? They are going to attack Norquist's muslim connections and ignore the president's?

All they are doing is proving that they are weak sisters looking for an excuse to jump aboard the O's bandwagon. We should be taking names and primary'ing these guys at the earliest opportunity.

4 posted on 11/28/2012 3:04:37 PM PST by marron
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To: Bryan24

Like hell they’re separate.


5 posted on 11/28/2012 3:04:43 PM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: LSUfan

Why the hell anyone needs a pledge to do the right thing is beyond me.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 3:12:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LSUfan
Again, the writer mixes apples and oranges.

Let’s also not forget Norquist’s lobbying on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to continue the homeownership tax credit, which as Erick Erickson noted directly contributed to the housing bubble and collapse at the expense of billions to the American taxpayers.

But in October 2010, Norquist was on CNN blaming the collapse on Freddie and Fannie:

NORQUIST: You may have missed this, but Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac brought us this collapse. Those were the two things the Democrats refused to fix.

SPITZER: No, no, I agree with you that they were…

NORQUIST: This was criminal negligence on the part of Barney Frank and Dodd.

SPITZER: They were huge participants, but there were multiple parties involved. I think everybody was…

NORQUIST: No Fannie Mae, no Freddie Mac, we wouldn’t have the collapse.

SPITZER: No, that’s not quite the case. Fannie and Freddie contributed in a very significant way as did…

NORQUIST: With trillions. You keep — I give you trillions and you tell me that’s not a big enough number.

SPITZER: This was multiple links in the chain. And that’s why if you want to say just Fannie and Freddie, you’re wrong. If you want to say they’re part of it along with the mortgage banks and the brokers and the people who actually were taking out mortgages improperly, then you have the full picture.

NORQUIST: And Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton’s laws which forced your bank to lend to people who can’t afford to, so that everybody got screwed by the misdirection of capital.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Norquist.

Everything Norquist said with respect to Fannie and Freddie are exactly right, and needed to be said, and precious few Repubs have spoken up to make this case. The fact that Norquist lobbied to continue a homeownership tax credit takes nothing away from what he said. Wanting to claim a homeownership tax credit doesn't make you a supporter of the massive corruption of the financial markets that occurred over the last 15 years.

Again, if you want to attack him as a muslim apologist, fine. Its overdue. But it sounds like they have just discovered his muslim ties in an effort to avoid his entirely truthful argument concerning the corruption in Fannie.

7 posted on 11/28/2012 3:12:51 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

Some folks need to read the article more closely.

Norquist says that allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire is NOT breaking his tax pledge.

But recently he accused a congressman who wanted to end subsidies for ethanol as breaking his tax pledge.

How the hell does that work?

What is conservative or fiscally responsible about subsidies?

And what of his support for higher spending under Bush?

Many of us recognized that compassionate conservatism was not fiscally responsible back then due to spending increases. To be sure, Obama has brought spending on a whole other order of magnitude, but Norquist sounded like Bill Clinton when he called higher spending an “investment.”


8 posted on 11/28/2012 3:20:20 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: Flintlock

How are they related?


9 posted on 11/28/2012 3:21:11 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24
Meanwhile, for fear of crossing Norquist and losing his favor, Republicans for years have been turning a blind eye to all his ties to shady Muslim individuals and groups. If they signed his tax pledge, they were effectively pledging also not to make trouble about the access and influence he was facilitating for people linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. Thus was removed the only possible effective counterweight to the Democrats’ active collaboration with Islamic supremacists.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/atlas-exclusive-robert-spencer-grover-must-go.html

Grover Must Go By Robert Spencer

10 posted on 11/28/2012 3:26:04 PM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: LSUfan

This article makes no sense. How does his tax pledge work as a bludgeon to promote his other interests? It doesn’t. I could see complaining that the publicity grants an audience that otherwise would be denied him, but I was previously completely unaware of his non-tax pledge views. The way this article is written it sounds like no one else is, either.

I call bad writing or nefarious purposes on this article. You decide.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 3:27:40 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: LSUfan
In June 2011, Norquist was battling with Sen. Tom Coburn, who wanted to end ethanol subsidies. But Norquist said he considered ending billions in government handouts without cutting the same amount as a violation of the ATR tax pledge. Again, fair enough, but just a few weeks later Norquist was telling the Washington Post editorial board that allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not be considered a tax increase:

On this, I'm with you. It sounds pretty incoherent to me too.

12 posted on 11/28/2012 3:28:33 PM PST by marron
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To: Bryan24

“How are they related?”

You need money to fight endless wars against 1 billion people to ensure the integrity of American empire?


13 posted on 11/28/2012 3:30:30 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: LSUfan
Thanks very much for posting. Norquist cannot be lambasted enough.

He and Delay and Reed should have spent at least as much time in jail as Abramoff.

And if he has been protecting known terrorists then he is flirting with treason and may deserve a more complete and final penalty.

14 posted on 11/28/2012 3:40:54 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Tublecane

So, Grover Norquist lobbies for a no new taxes pledge so that the US Military will not have the money to defeat Islam?

You want to stay with that position?


15 posted on 11/28/2012 3:44:33 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Tublecane
The writing could be a bit clearer, but the gist seems to be that Norquist decides when congressmen violate his pledge not based on logic, but based on his current set of clients.

Norquist has received a lot of airtime lately. When asked about "his pledge" he claims complete innocence and says it is not a pledge to him, but a pledge to the congressmen's constituency.

Funny how when a congressman does something which only Norquist considers to be a violation of the pledge he sponsors a primary candidate to oppose the supposed violator.

His slipperiness makes eels appear in comparison to have skins made of velcro.

16 posted on 11/28/2012 3:45:58 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: LSUfan

Republicans shouldn’t need Norquist to tell them to never agree to raise taxes on anyone ever. Period.


17 posted on 11/28/2012 3:50:09 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: LSUfan
Grover Norquist is the problem with Washington DC, not the solution

Stupid title.

Washington is the problem, and he's a part of Washington.

As such, he's a part of the problem, but it's not like anything would get better if he went away.

18 posted on 11/28/2012 3:53:48 PM PST by x
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To: x
it's not like anything would get better if he went away.

One less islamopologist helping the GOP to infect themselves with the islamo virus.
19 posted on 11/28/2012 3:57:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LSUfan

Can someone tell me why Norquist is seen as so powerful? Who is he? I know he is discussed a lot, but I honestly don’t know why.


20 posted on 11/28/2012 4:02:45 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Grover Norquist: Married to a muslim. Founder of the islamic institute. Agenda setter, policy maker, lobbyist and overall VERY heavy hitter for the based here on American soil, muslim/islamic terrorist front group, C.A.I.R. That is who Grover Norquist is.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 4:20:36 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: Bryan24

Yes, because neither I am not at war with Islam.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 4:28:24 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Bryan24

Yes, because I am not at war with Islam.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 4:28:30 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: bobby.223

And why is he considered powerful?


24 posted on 11/28/2012 4:28:56 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

In that case it would only be a bludgeon if people tacitly took Norquist at his word that the pledge has been broken. What’s to putative pledge breakers from saying no, this is not a tax hike, and here’s why. It isn’t as if Norqiist has a monopoly on credibility.

This article is childish in that it pretends Norquist’s idiosyncratic views having any leverage whatsoever is him being able to “bludgeon” people with the pledge. Once again, all most people know about him is the pledge. He has not been successful in using it as a Trojan horse for farm subsidies or whatever it is he’s pushing, let alone a bludgeon. All that is required in the face of an allegation that you broke the pledge is a simpe response as to why it doesn’t qualify as a tax hike.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 4:37:36 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Well, if you are not a muslim, Islam is at war with you.
26 posted on 11/28/2012 4:46:51 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Considered powerful? Only by the uninitiated....or those that DO know of his proven anti-American islamic/muslim activities and just look the other way or don’t care or both.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 5:00:57 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: cripplecreek
Why the hell anyone needs a pledge to do the right thing is beyond me.

They all pledge to uphold the Constitution but as we can see that doesn't mean squat.

It's all for show. Nothing more.

28 posted on 11/28/2012 5:12:56 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: LSUfan
Die Infidel!
29 posted on 11/28/2012 5:39:57 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Tublecane

“Yes, because I am not at war with Islam.”

That’s nice. Islam is still at war with you, though.


30 posted on 11/28/2012 5:45:40 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ilovesarah2012

He’s powerful because he is basically blackmailing half of our legislature, and he has access to a nearly unlimited supply of lobbying cash from his Saudi buddies.


31 posted on 11/28/2012 5:47:12 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman; ExGeeEye

Good luck on that war against a billion people. It’ll go about as well as the “war” on drugs.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 8:10:24 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Well, there is an alternative to war with Islam. It's called "submission". Perhaps you should read up on it, if you choose not to participate in the war that Islam has declared on the rest of us. There is a handy little manual on the subject that can acquaint you with the ground rules:

SUBMISSION


33 posted on 11/28/2012 10:18:36 PM PST by Boogieman
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