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John Boehner: No tax cuts for middle class without tax cuts for top two percent
Washington Post ^ | 11/28/2012 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 11/28/2012 3:44:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind

As you know, GOP Rep. Tom Cole made waves today by urging Republicans to give in to the Dem demand that they extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone under $250,000. Cole argued this would remove the leverage Dems have and give the GOP more leverage to fight to extend the high-end tax cuts later, since Dems want the fiscal cliff averted and also want a debt ceiling hike.

Today John Boehner rejected Cole’s suggestion. But in the process, he said something pretty revealing:

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“I told Tom earlier in our conference meeting that I disagreed with him,” Boehner told reporters after a closed-door meeting of the House Republican Conference. “He’s a wonderful friend of mine and a great supporter of mine. But raising taxes on the so-called top 2 percent — half of those people are small-business owners that pay their taxes through their personal income tax filing every year. The goal here is to grow the economy and to cut spending.

“We’re not going to grow the economy if we raise tax rates on the top two rates,” the Speaker added. “It’ll hurt small businesses. It’ll hurt our economy. That’s why it’s not the right approach. We’ll willing to put revenue on the table as long as we’re not raising rates.”

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In Boehner’s telling, extending the tax cuts just for those under $250,000 is simply indistinguishable from raising them on those Boehner himself describes as the “top two percent.” But Cole isn’t suggesting a tax hike for the top two percent. Rather, Cole wants Republicans to extend the low end tax rates right now, and then take a stand against raising the high end ones in the fiscal cliff talks.

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KEYWORDS: boehner; budget; fiscalcliff; taxcuts
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1 posted on 11/28/2012 3:44:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There already are GOPers ready to capitulate.

From the article:

...another House GOPer — conservative Rep. Tim Scott of South Carolina — is even conceding that Obama’s extension of just the middle class tax cuts could pass the House. But Boehner can’t extend the middle class’ tax cuts — even though both sides agree on them — because he apparently thinks it will make it harder to prevent a tax hike on the top two percent later.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 3:45:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How is Boehner supposed to negotiate when every House members is going free agent on him?


3 posted on 11/28/2012 3:49:51 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: SeekAndFind
Boehner doesn’t have to bring anything to the floor. No bill, no vote, same results.
4 posted on 11/28/2012 3:52:51 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Boehner doesn’t have to bring anything to the floor. No bill, no vote, same results.

Dirty Harry's trick. It would work if he'd actually do it.

5 posted on 11/28/2012 3:54:10 PM PST by Principled
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To: SeekAndFind

The bastards raise my taxes and I am done paying taxes.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 3:54:16 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: tobyhill

A week from now, he’ll sell us on some gimmick “compromise”, like the “supercommittee” horseclinton last time.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 3:54:40 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Arthurio

Boehner has also made a bunch of conceding comments so it is no wonder that others are “going free agent”. The GOP will capitulate just like they always do


8 posted on 11/28/2012 3:55:30 PM PST by falcon99
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To: Arthurio

Any Republican with balls ought to bring a sign each day with the number of days since a BUDGET was last passed.


9 posted on 11/28/2012 3:56:51 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: falcon99
The GOP will capitulate just like they always do

Yes they will and - won't get anything in return for it either.

10 posted on 11/28/2012 3:59:33 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, here we go. The Democrats want to help the middle class and the Republicans are out to help the rich. Didn’t take long. The Republicans fall for it every time.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 4:00:15 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner needs to come to the American people to explain this over and over versus sending out these kinds of statements of what he was supposed to have said. I pray they don’t cave so the wealth redistribution along with more spending aren’t implemented into the government. Once they add a new tax hike, they want to use those same tax rates to use as their spending spree. I think this is all a lie. Obama said before elected, he would continue the Bush tax cuts. It’s on video. if I were up there, I would be using that microphone to explain even with charts and graphs. We have to begin educating the public vs allowing the soundbites to describe the message. They need to fight back.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 4:00:22 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Christie at the beach

The fact that Boehner is still calling this a “tax cut” instead of an intended Dem “tax increase” shows just how inept the GOP really is. Americans may not vote for a tax cut, but they will rarely vote for a tax increase. Romney failed to get that message across during the election and Boehner is ensuring that the Republicans will be once again on the wrong side of the debate.


13 posted on 11/28/2012 4:04:33 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: treetopsandroofs
....ah....the real problem...has been identified...

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Any Republican with balls

Ain't none...sorry charlie

14 posted on 11/28/2012 4:07:18 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Arthurio
Flashback to December 2011:

Speaker Boehner bows to pressure on tax deal

House G.O.P. Leaders Agree to Extension of Payroll Tax Cut

Boehner Facing Unrest in Caucus Over Payroll Tax Cut Deal

Simple answer: Conservatives in the House don't trust him.

15 posted on 11/28/2012 4:07:49 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: falcon99

Yeah. They keep talking about NOT raising rates, but limiting deductions—same result. You’re right—they’lll cave.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 4:08:05 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: littleharbour
I hope they see your message. You explained it perfectly.

The solution is easy though they continue to please the people

that detest them the most. We all see this happening.

17 posted on 11/28/2012 4:10:09 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Why is Boehner taking the bait? He should be out there every day with an example of waste,cronyism, fraud, cost per taxpayer of the ‘stimulus’ or better the unfunded liabilities and asking the D party to explain themselves.


18 posted on 11/28/2012 4:14:47 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: falcon99

The House GOP should meet privately and vote on a negotiating position, and then stand out of Boehner’s way. If Boehner messes up the negotiations or fails to follow the agreed upon position, then remove him as Speaker. But having every bloody member express his individual opinion to the press only plays into 0Bama’s hands.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 4:15:34 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: blueunicorn6
Well, here we go. The Democrats want to help the middle class and the Republicans are out to help the rich. Didn’t take long. The Republicans fall for it every time.

Exactly. Which is why Rep. Cole's idea makes a lot of sense. Whatever the ultimate resolution of the "fiscal cliff" issue is, it is going to involve an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. No one objects to that, no one is going to object to that. By keeping that within the broader negotiations, the GOP is allowing the Dems (and their MSM cheerleaders) to argue that the GOP is holding the middle class tax cuts hostage in order to, as you put it, help the rich.

If, on the other hand, as Rep. Cole suggests, the GOP allows the middle class tax cut extension to pass now, with nothing else attached, that effectively removes the issue from the "fiscal cliff" negotiations. The Democrats can't grandstand about it, the GOP can't be portrayed as holding it up. In fact, passing the middle class portion now may actually strengthen its utility as a negotiating chip - instead of looking like they're holding the middle class cuts hostage, the GOP can say, "look, we already gave you what you wanted."

20 posted on 11/28/2012 4:21:13 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: blueunicorn6

The rich ARE the new middle class thanks to Obama and the democrats!


21 posted on 11/28/2012 4:21:34 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has Boehner joined the Dem PR team or is this headline a bit “leading”??


22 posted on 11/28/2012 4:27:15 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wedge Wedge Wedge the issues. Propose a special surcharge tax on Hollwood and Union Benefits. Heck, throw in Lawers and Politicians too.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 4:45:33 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner is right. If Republicans allow Democrats to extend the 2001 tax rates to those making less than X dollars, but for such tax rates to expire (and thus automatically raise the tax rate) for those making more than X dollars, they will never be able to get Democrats to agree to keep the tax rates on those making more than X dollars the same, fiscal cliff or no fiscal cliff. The only way to get the Democrats to extend the tax rates is not to allow them to carve out tax rates for the middle class. If Republicans make it all or nothing, then the Democrats either will have to raise taxes on everyone just because they wanted to soak “the rich,” or else not raise taxes opn anyone.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 4:49:11 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

no, mistake in strategy. you don’t throw away your strongest card, which for republicans is to insist on no tax rate increases.

i think the republican strategy is to stall this thing until the end of december and then go for a series of short term temporary status quo deals on taxes and spending that gets several months in the year and to the end of the debt ceiling.

they have much more leverage there:
1) a democrat threat to walk off the fiscal cliff puts a big retroactive tax increase on all tax payers, which wlil be due april 15
2) the debt ceiling forces a balanced budget with all the fiscal adjustment on the spending side

in august 2011, obama conceded everything just to get the debt ceiling past the election. the republicans wanted further debt ceiling votes because they think it plays to their strength


25 posted on 11/28/2012 4:53:04 PM PST by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: madameguinot

“Why is Boehner taking the bait?”

He rolled over for the supercommittee ploy....

Boehner is as pwned as Petraeus is.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 5:09:01 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Reverend Wright

OK that is now twice I’ve heard today the stealth “wealth tax” where they are talking about taxing assets. Heard it from a dear, dear wise an older friend today and just heard it barely mentioned by BOR.

I don’t think it has a chance, right now, but just shows how sneaky those RATS are.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 5:11:25 PM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: SeekAndFind
You wanted high taxes America:

****NOW PAY THEM****


28 posted on 11/28/2012 5:17:23 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I notice Greg Sargent conveniently omits the fact Harry Reid has added a demand that long-term extension of the debt limit be included in any deal.


29 posted on 11/28/2012 5:18:32 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let all the Bush tax cuts expire... ALL of them. This country blames Bush for everything anyway, so get rid of that part of his legacy.

Won’t it feel good, America...getting rid of the last reminders of Bush’s awful presidency?


30 posted on 11/28/2012 5:23:59 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Go to hell Boehner. Get Lt. Col. West in.


31 posted on 11/28/2012 5:34:14 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone tell me how Cole and Scott are wrong. Just pass, right now in the House, a bill extending tax cuts to ALL WAGE EARNERS who make $249,999.99 or less.

That is it. Pass it, send it to Senate. Get it off the damn table. Warn the middle class: Obamugabe and the Demonrats are about to implement a tax increase on YOUR EMPLOYERS that will decrease your hours, wages, benefits AND increase the costs of your goods and services.

Obamugabe would then have ZERO (which is what he has now) to bitch about.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 5:36:12 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Usagi_yo; All

Someone tell me how Cole and Scott are wrong. Just pass, right now in the House, a bill extending tax cuts to ALL WAGE EARNERS who make $249,999.99 or less.

That is it. Pass it, send it to Senate. Get it off the damn table. Warn the middle class: Obamugabe and the Demonrats are about to implement a tax increase on YOUR EMPLOYERS that will decrease your hours, wages, benefits AND increase the costs of your goods and services.

Obamugabe would then have ZERO (which is what he has now) to bitch about.


33 posted on 11/28/2012 5:37:21 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP should propose a further 10% tax cut for the middle class over and above the Bush tax cuts.

Instead of being reactive they should put Obama off balance by being proactive with something like this.


34 posted on 11/28/2012 5:44:00 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about Boehner talking about cutting the Incredible taxes ObamaCare is going to place on all of us?

500 billion dollars worth.

These guys don’t even pretend to fight and seize the narrative.


35 posted on 11/28/2012 5:49:23 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

simple solution
go on vacation
stop answering the phones or mail
just say when you have cut spending then call us
not before
end of story.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 5:54:46 PM PST by genghis
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To: Arthurio
How is Boehner supposed to negotiate when every House members is going free agent on him?

Boehner doesn't have to negotiate, all he has to do is refuse to bring any bill that increases taxes to the House floor for a vote.

In short: Pull a Dirty Harry Reid.

Boehner may not fully understand this yet - but he holds the trump card in using the Democrat's own tactics against them.

37 posted on 11/28/2012 5:54:46 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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38 posted on 11/28/2012 6:00:22 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
it is going to involve an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. No one objects to that, no one is going to object to that.

Actually, I am getting around to objecting to it. Let the whole tax cut package expire, put more of the 47 percent back on the tax rolls. People don't like it, they can do something about it next election.

39 posted on 11/28/2012 6:39:35 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the true sense of the US government is now fully exposed, it is filled with shake down thugs and is the largest criminal enterprise on the planet. it make Jesse Jackson be proud


40 posted on 11/28/2012 6:40:02 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Notary Sojac
I've never figured this. When the economy is in the crapper, the POTUS gets the blame. When the economy is humming, the POTUS gets the credit (Clinton).

If the republicans give in, the economy WILL crater, and Obama will blame the dumb$hit republicans for AGREEING with him. And the MSM will wonder just HOW the republicans raised taxes in a recession.

If I were a house member, I'd simply refuse to do anything.

Let Obama explain why HE wanted EVERYONES taxes to go up.

Play it like "Turnabout Intruder" on Star Trek. Once the crew realizes that "Kirk" is actually an imposter, they simply stand down and do nothing.

"You will OBEY my orders, you will OBEY!"

Let the dems eat it, and explain why. The MSM won't care, but Repubs do not have to play.

Let them vote "present".

41 posted on 11/28/2012 6:52:32 PM PST by boop ("I need another Cutty Sark"-LBJ)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bohner should just give the dems every thing they want...

Hold a news conference to explain to the american people that Obama and the Senate majority leader Reid now have everything they want...because they refuse to compromise on anything reasonable with us...

We oppose it... because it is bad policy, will hurt everyday working people, drive unemployment up and kill growth, drive up more debt... and not solve our fiscal problems at all...

When we dip into another recession you will know who to blame...squarely on the administration and the Senate

We tried to work with them, but refuse to work with us...

Now the American people will have a front row seat...on a slow train wreck...

Remember who is responsible this in 2016

42 posted on 11/28/2012 6:55:57 PM PST by Popman
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To: treetopsandroofs
[Any Republican with balls ought to bring a sign each day with the number of days since a BUDGET was last passed.]

Obama’s words from Winter of 2010 that the economy was too fragile to raise anybody’s taxes need to be thrown back at him. Technically the economy is weaker now than two years ago.

43 posted on 11/28/2012 7:07:13 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Notary Sojac
Actually, I am getting around to objecting to it. Let the whole tax cut package expire, put more of the 47 percent back on the tax rolls

That is my position now...get rid of the tax credits for layabouts pumping out kids to get the $1,500 credit...

I hardly think the 4 billion sent to Mexico last year for legal children of illegal invaders by the IRS via tax credits will be missed...

Double the tax rate on the working poor...works for me...about damn time they paid their fair share anyway...

44 posted on 11/28/2012 7:09:36 PM PST by Popman
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To: bigheadfred

Now there is a plan... suppose everyone who voted for Romney just refused to send in the 1040 in April - or perhaps just those self employed since the employer would already have withheld the employed’s taxes. A lot of those top 2 % ers file their own... what would they do? Throw 10 million people in tax jail/tax court... talk about gumming up the system... Of course the fear of reprisal would keep folks from doing that but it sure would be a nice form of revolt.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 7:25:55 PM PST by Froggie
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Raising revenue by raising the tax rate for “wealthy” is not the real goal..it’s classic envy, class warfare, and “social justice” in the minds of mind-less libs. Greta just had interview with a real light-weight Sen. Casey (PA) and though she tried to get him to answer if it’s worth risking lowering job creation and slowing the economy to get 8.5 days worth of revenue by taxing “the rich” he had no answer and obfuscated the issue. He was spinning like a roulette wheel... of course it isn’t worth it...and is counterproductive unless your real goal is to punish “the rich” which I submit is Obama’s true racially and class directed objective. My psychiatric training tells me Obama is severely conflicted by his “white half” and compensates by pushing his agenda of liberal social justice ... i.e. racism and classism!


46 posted on 11/28/2012 7:33:29 PM PST by Froggie
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Oops, he did it wrong. /s

Thanks SeekAndFind.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 7:48:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would anyone believe anything Boehner says? He is on a self-destructive mission in the name of self-preservation.


48 posted on 11/28/2012 7:48:30 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Timber Rattler
Simple answer: Conservatives in the House don't trust him.

So why did they reelect him as Speaker then? These Republican lawmakers are an "oxymoron." They aren't "republican" and they won't or can't pass "laws".

49 posted on 11/28/2012 7:52:26 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Popman

So the GOP should hold a news conference to explain to the public how the Democrats are refusing to compromise with them? And, um, how exactly will this message reach the American populace? Do you seriously expect to see it on NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, CNN, etc.? Fox MAY run it, but isn’t that just preaching to the choir?


50 posted on 11/28/2012 8:31:30 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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