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Olympia 10-year-old placed in padded room at school (with video)
King5 News (Seattle) ^ | 23APR2012 | Meg Coyle

Posted on 11/28/2012 6:49:37 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine

OLYMPIA, Wash. – An Olympia mom wants to learn why her 10-year-old son was placed in a padded room at his elementary school last Friday.

Melissa Gum's son attends Garfield Elementary, where she acknowledges he's been to the principal's office before.

The school says he was sent to the principal's office Friday for being disruptive in class.

But Gum said he’s never been sent to a room the district refers to as "the quiet room," which is described as the size of an office with gym mats padding the walls.

It gets worse, according to Gum. She said the principal forgot about her son after the end of school and she was frantically trying to find him.

The school district said the room was set up a few years ago for students with special needs. But Gum said her son is a typical 10-year-old with no diagnosed behavioral or developmental issues.

The district said the boy was acting out, but other resource rooms were unavailable, so the principal opted to place him in the quiet room. They also said the boy was released two minutes after the bell rang at the end of the school day on Friday.


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1 posted on 11/28/2012 6:49:44 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In related news...

‘Isolation box:’ Abuse or therapy for Longview school kids? (with video)
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/181195571.html
28NOV2012

LONGVIEW, Wash. — Longview Public Schools administrators call it an “isolation booth” and photos of it are creating a Facebook firestorm.

Some parents say they’re worried kids are being abused when they’re locked inside it at school.

The isolation booth has been at Mint Valley Elementary School for the past four years. That’s because the school hosts a special education program for disabled students with behavioral issues. The booth is used to calm down some of the students when they’re at risk of hurting themselves or others.

Just hours after they were posted, photos of the isolation booth were shared on Facebook about 100 times.

The pictures show that from the outside, the booth is located in a storage area and has two peepholes at different heights. Inside, students can sit on the floor of the small padded room, and the ceiling has air holes for ventilation.

The original Facebook poster, Ana Bate, a Longview mother, criticized its use as abusive, arguing children are locked in for crying or tapping on their desks.

Comments echoed by other Facebook posters like Darren Pirtle asked “seriously ... have the police been notified that this is being used??”

Marcy Brinkerhoff-Hogg wrote, “that is terrible and should NEVER be used regardless if the child is out of control or not.”

And Jena Raelyn Brown suggested, writing in all capital letters: “if a parent did that at home they would get put in jail!!!”

Bate, whose 10-year-old son is not in the special education program, told KATU News late Tuesday night that her son told her he saw several kids go in the box.

In one instance, a female aide came up behind a boy, picked him up off the floor and dropped him into the isolation box, she said. He landed on the floor and cried the entire time. In another instance a boy, who was placed inside the box for lifting up a desk, became violent while he was inside.

“My question for the school district is how is that therapeutic if not directly opposite from this supposed reinforcement they’d like everybody to believe it to be?” she said. “If they are being paid to lock people up, get extra education and work in mental health or psychiatric units, not with children that have minds that need to be explored, need to be expanded, that need to feel safe.”

But the district does not think it is abusive.

“People have their own opinions without having a lot of the information about it. I would not classify it as abusive,” said Sandy Catt, director of communications for Longview Public Schools.

Catt said the isolation booth is designed as therapy for children needing to calm down.

Of the 6,500 students in the Longview School District, only eight or nine are allowed to go inside, and that’s because the school has permission from their parents.

“It is concerning to us that there may not be a complete understanding of the situation,” Catt said.

She said some of the eight or nine kids voluntarily go inside the booth for a break from stimulation. She added when the door is locked a school staff member is outside, monitoring what happens.

Catt said the school district had never received a complaint about the isolation booth until Tuesday, and still, none of those complaints has come from parents whose students went inside.

And for those parents who object, their students would never be placed inside because the district requires parent permission. Bate told KATU News she questions parents who agree to let their kids go inside the box.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 6:53:47 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They just happened to have a padded room available did they?


3 posted on 11/28/2012 6:55:21 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The kid spent ONE HOUR in a small room with the door open, and his mother is ready to file suit because her bratty but “impressionable” boy was “traumatized.” Bet you there has been no dad in this picture for a good long while.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 6:55:46 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This could get interesting

I live near to that school.

That neighborhood is Moscow Center in the middle of a very liberal town.


5 posted on 11/28/2012 6:56:35 PM PST by llevrok (I haven't left America. It left me.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
My wife tought for 40 years and now subs a bit. she was recently asked to do 6 weeks in a class of 6 “disturbed kids” 2 blacks, 2 Chicanos, and two whites. They had a “padded Cell” in the room. There were two aids, one a big guy.

These kids would become very violent, foul mouthed, and uncontrollable. My wife got kicked, hit and swore at constantly. The guy aid would put the violent kids in the padded cell, where they would scream and yell, and kick the door.

6 weeks of hell for my wife. They were all from single family situations - They all will become violent criminals and end up in jail. There is no hope for them.

How many will they kill, injure or violate(or vote for Obama)?

6 posted on 11/28/2012 6:58:33 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The school district said the room was set up a few years ago for students with special needs.

Probably now it's for some teacher or administrator's special needs (wink-wink). Too many low-life abusers in the system.

7 posted on 11/28/2012 6:59:30 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Cool Hand Luke placemarker.


8 posted on 11/28/2012 6:59:33 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: stubernx98

One paddle board and permission to use it would straighten out the whole mess.

These kids aren’t stupidm they know teachers and principles arent allowed to hit themor touch them.

When i went to school the teacher would padle your butt, when you got home it got paddled again. NO ONE needed a padded room.


9 posted on 11/28/2012 7:02:48 PM PST by Venturer
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To: llevrok
Give them a call and ask what sizes they have their straight jackets in. If they don't have any just say'll you'll be glad to donate a few. Say you'll throw in a few Hannibal Lecter masks, too, so the students feel really cozy in their padded room.


10 posted on 11/28/2012 7:03:09 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
WA Ping

What are we coming to ...and when did schools start building "padded rooms"?

11 posted on 11/28/2012 7:03:35 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Jack Hydrazine

School lockdowns and padded rooms make schools sound more like prison all the time.

Who says sending your child to government school isn’t abuse?


12 posted on 11/28/2012 7:05:48 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

would people at a private school put up with this? this is hate, these are children


13 posted on 11/28/2012 7:15:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’d be lifting that principal by the throat off the ground. Fact.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 7:16:31 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: yldstrk
would people at a private school put up with this?

No, they expel such students and send them back to public school.

Public schools are left with the ones the private schools and charter schools find too challenging.

15 posted on 11/28/2012 7:28:28 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Venturer
One paddle board and permission to use it would straighten out the whole mess.

Yep. A lot of folks (including some Freepers) think children are all just sweet little darling angels and never deserve a harsh word. Fact is, some of them need a good blistering or two.

16 posted on 11/28/2012 7:32:17 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: lightman
No, they expel such students and send them back to public school. Public schools are left with the ones the private schools and charter schools find too challenging.

THANK YOU !! Soon as Norm Day is over in California, they kick those little monsters out and send them back to us. Another batch comes right before standardized testing, to raise their scores (and lower ours, though I know that's not their intent.)

17 posted on 11/28/2012 7:34:43 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: stubernx98

There is hope for them, the Lord Jesus Christ. He can change the most hardened, violent kid if they give their life to him. This is Nicky Cruz’s story:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882706306/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0002JANFG&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=00DZWSPMZZ461T155TJT


18 posted on 11/28/2012 7:38:07 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: stubernx98

There is a new kind of behavior disorder, the opposite of ADHD. The kid gets over stimulated, his brain overwhelmed. Instead of a break in the synapse that needs to be jumped by the impulse, there are too many impulses jumping the synapse at the same time. If there is a misdiagnosis and medication like ritalin is prescribed, the kid just flips out.

I think that I saw this happen with a kid in my son’s class. He wasn’t permitted to attend school full time because they said that he couldn’t handle it. One time in grade school, he flipped out, ran out side and climbed the BB backstop and the school had to call the fire company to come and get him down.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 7:42:56 PM PST by Eva
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To: Jack Hydrazine
At least he did not have to spend a night in the box
20 posted on 11/28/2012 7:53:33 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: headsonpikes
see my post #20, first thing I thought of as well.
21 posted on 11/28/2012 7:55:38 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I was in the 4th grade in 1954. Three swats on my butt with a paddle (with drilled holes) in Principal Rasmondson’s office got my attention.

Then I got the belt from dad when I got home. Mom kept me busy with extra chores for the entire weekend.

I never again stole chalk from school — I also never again wrote dirty words on the road, right up to my house. ;>)


22 posted on 11/28/2012 7:56:09 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113

Wow! That was back in the day when men were men and women were women. And children were expected to behave.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 8:06:07 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Gator113

Isolation rooms? Really?

Public schools are not schools. At best they are prisons posing as indoctrination centers.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 8:17:01 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I remember those days with great fondness.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 8:21:40 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113
In the 1950s, people didn't “mainstream” mentally disturbed children into their local public school environment.

I didn't have classmates who routinely crawled under their desks, cursed out teachers, or banged their heads against the walls.
Did you?

My child had to deal with this type of unacceptable behavior everyday.

I doubt the disturbed children benefitted much from the experience.
I know the “normal” children didn't gain anything constructive, other than pure disdain for their supposedly superior adult teachers, who tried to force them to pretend to tolerate abnormal behavior.

26 posted on 11/28/2012 8:22:04 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Jack Hydrazine
These kids would be better off on a Bio Mat:


27 posted on 11/28/2012 8:24:01 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of other people's money.)
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To: yldstrk

This is the result of refusing to permit schools to use corporal punishment. When you cannot swat the kid for bad behavior when small, you end up with an over-sized “time out” room with padded walls to prevent injury and a locked door to keep them in.


28 posted on 11/28/2012 8:25:25 PM PST by tbw2
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To: sarasmom
In the 1950s, people didn't “mainstream” mentally disturbed children into their local public school environment.

I think you have hit the nail right on the head. Why this helps the "mainstreamed" child I will never know, but I do know it hurts every other child in that class.

Best of all, most times it is not permitted to concentrate all of the "mainstreamed" kids in the same class. They have to be spread out so as to disrupt the maximum number of normal kids.

29 posted on 11/28/2012 8:36:30 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Eva

You described my granddaughter. It took me a long time to learn that her problems were not going to be cured with spankings. She had sensory integration problems and chaotic classrooms with lots of noise or even flickering
florescent lighting drives her crazy. And once the impulsive response begins it easily escalates to the point where someone may get hurt. The doctors tried her on ritalin and it did make her want to crawl out of her skin.

We still do not understand what is going on. It is shocking how common this is.


30 posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:40 PM PST by Klondike
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To: Eva

You described my granddaughter. It took me a long time to learn that her problems were not going to be cured with spankings. She had sensory integration problems and chaotic classrooms with lots of noise or even flickering
florescent lighting drives her crazy. And once the impulsive response begins it easily escalates to the point where someone may get hurt. The doctors tried her on ritalin and it did make her want to crawl out of her skin.

We still do not understand what is going on. It is shocking how common this is.


31 posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:52 PM PST by Klondike
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To: CurlyDave

“Why this helps the “mainstreamed” child I will never know, but I do know it hurts every other child in that class.”

I remember mainstreamed kids when I was in school 40 years ago. It was taxpayer funded babysitting for the parents and I’m sure there were big Federal bucks involved, too.

None of the kids I remember were violent but they were all attention-intensive and there was usually a teacher’s aide around to help, nothing we had for a class of 25+ normal kids.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 9:10:45 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite
taxpayer funded babysitting

What is public education Alex?

33 posted on 11/28/2012 9:22:38 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: PLMerite
I remember mainstreamed kids when I was in school 40 years ago. It was taxpayer funded babysitting for the parents

All schooling is babysitting. The goal of compulsory schooling was to separate children from parents, so that the children could be molded according to the will of the elites, and so that women could be thrown into the "workforce." It's been that way from the beginning. It's nothing new.

Have you heard the term, "Carnegie Units"? The reason for the name is that Rockefeller and Carnegie spent more money on "educational research" in the early 1900s than all levels of government combined. They wanted a docile working class, and they got it, through the methodology of behavioral psychology.

Nothing proves the brilliance of their strategy than the fact that parents, who suffered through 12 mind-numbing years of school, gladly send their children off to the same fate, all the while imagining themselves to be freethinkers.

Yes, schooling works. But not in the way we've been taught to believe.

Read, "The Underground History of American Education" for free on-line, or watch any of John Taylor Gatto's interviews on YouTube.

God help us. And God save the children.

34 posted on 11/28/2012 9:27:07 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I remember when a kid got one chance to be “disruptive in class” and, within minutes, learned that it was a very bad plan.


35 posted on 11/28/2012 9:39:20 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Eva

He would have come down when he got hungry.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 9:41:57 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; ROCKLOBSTER

At least the normal kids do learn something. I don’t remember any of the mainstreamers being of the type that were going to live un-institutionalized lives.


37 posted on 11/28/2012 9:45:26 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Klondike

It’s called sensory processing disorder . The worst thing that a doctor can do is put her on ritalin. I think that is what the padded room is for, to calm them down. The important thing for parents and teachers to remember is that the child is not misbehaving when he has a melt down. The child is just overwhelmed and yelling at the child or trying to discipline him will only make things worse.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 9:46:06 PM PST by Eva
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To: PLMerite
At least the normal kids do learn something.

Yes, homosexuality, disrespect, atheism and socialism. Contrast our little Einsteins to students from practially any other country in the world.

39 posted on 11/28/2012 9:49:29 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: PLMerite
Time out room. Say you have a spec ed classroom with violent, explosive,(emotionally & socially disturbed kids) that are a danger to all the kids. Kids that when they get upset, attack other children, throw desks, swear, urinate in classroom and on other kids, ect ect. When they won't stop fighting and attempting to hurt other kids and teachers; they go in the time out room, (padded walls & floor). Usually they continue to kick & scream, then start swearing, then after some time start crying, then start begging the teacher to talk to them and let them be with the other kids who are terrified of the violent child. Teacher then enters room and trys to reason with the child and why they can't act in this manner.

You all should respect what many spec ed teachers go through, attempting to educate these basket case kids; we have to make a place for them to be successful in our greater society or build more prisons. Look first at the kid's family and you will see abuse, drugs, mental illness, and an environment kids should never experience. My wife has come home with black eyes, bite marks, bruises, and blk & blue marks from grade school kids. More to all of this than most believe.

40 posted on 11/28/2012 10:02:24 PM PST by Eska
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To: Klondike

The only reason that I learned about the disorder is because I was trying to help a friend of ours who was having a problem with her two year old. I told her that she needed to get better help than we have locally and found a clinic at Children’s hospital in Seattle that treated the symptoms that her son had.

Anyway, to make a long story a little shorter, this week, they found out that the child has a cyst on the brain stem that might be causing the behavior problems, but that remains to be seen. Tomorrow they have an appointment with neurologist about draining the cyst. It’s one of those situations that you don’t know which alternative is worse, the disorder or the cyst. Maybe the doctors will have some answers tomorrow.


41 posted on 11/28/2012 10:06:13 PM PST by Eva
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In elementary school in the early 1960’s, I often was locked in a “quiet” room because I was frequently not the perfect little drone that incessant indoctrination required. And said room wasn’t padded, either. It was some kind of combination storage room and electrical distribution room full of large electrical distribution panels and dusty shelves full of old text books and other dusty old crap. I was frequently told when locked in said room that if my behavior didn’t improve I was likely headed to the electric chair. I suppose the electric panels were supposed to play on my imagination in combination with such admonitions.

However, I was a tough little kid, so that kind of nonsense didn’t make too much of an impression on me, even at that those tender ages, and I found the quiet storage room was actually rather pleasant compared to being in class. I had no trouble passing the time, since I merely disappeared into a delightful fantasy world of my own making.

I would have never occurred to me to complain to my parents about these punishments, since of course they would simply have added their own whippings to top off the earlier school punishments.

Ah, the days of yore of government education in the deep South in the golden olden days.


42 posted on 11/28/2012 10:13:29 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I guess the Carnegie psychology keeps them docile... until it doesn’t. Maybe going wild is the only way they know of rebelling.


43 posted on 11/28/2012 10:46:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: catnipman

At least you didn’t get prankish and shut off all the school’s lights!


44 posted on 11/28/2012 10:47:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: yldstrk

it appears that the violence and hate is all on the side of the kids...violent not violent later mom doesn’t know how to handle er kids...


45 posted on 11/28/2012 11:02:36 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Eska

I appreciate that dealing with the extremes is a trial. I couldn’t do it.

My only opinion is that most of even the mildly challenged shouldn’t be mainstreamed with normal schoolchildren who have some chance of learning something useful. Kids only get one shot at an education, and anyone and anything that distracts from that should be removed, and I include discipline cases in that, too.


46 posted on 11/28/2012 11:03:46 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The school was afraid that he would hurt himself.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 11:04:21 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Yup, if he had, guess who’d get blamed... it wouldn’t be the kid


48 posted on 11/28/2012 11:12:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In our school district they now place the headbangers in with the regular kids, and of course that means a second teacher needs to be in the classroom. Parents who love their children should do whatever they have to do to keep their kids far, far away from the government schools.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 11:31:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Wow.

Mom needs a reality check.

My oldest boy came home from school last year absolutely mortified by the punishment the principle had handed down to him... she had made him spend his recess time in the kitchen doing dishes!

Of course, due to my son being an "impressionable young kid who watches TV", I ran straight to my lawyer because the school made him feel like "one of the help".

In reality, I called the principle and extended my appreciation for her unorthodox and VERY effective method of making sure my 7 year-old wouldn't be prone to throwing paper-wads during lunch anymore. Of course, this is what you get at a private, Christian school that not only lacks interest in seeking State accreditation, they outright shun it.

I have to tell you, when he came home that day and was telling me, in disgust, about his ordeal washing dishes at school... it was very difficult for me to not bust out laughing.

50 posted on 11/29/2012 4:36:52 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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