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Little Falls shootings: Drugs, other items reported stolen found in car teens used
pioneer press ^ | 11-27-12 | Christopher Magan

Posted on 11/28/2012 7:36:20 PM PST by TurboZamboni

Authorities tied the teenage cousins killed by a homeowner after they broke into his Little Falls, Minn., house Thanksgiving Day to a similar break-in the night before.

Prescription drugs from the earlier burglary were found in the red Mitsubishi Eclipse that Nicholas Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, drove when they broke into Byron David Smith's home north of Little Falls, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said Wednesday, Nov. 28.

Deputies are now reviewing police reports to see if other burglaries are connected to the teens.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; burglary; dead; drugs; felons; mn; prescription; theives; thieves
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1 posted on 11/28/2012 7:36:27 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

But they were such nice kids


2 posted on 11/28/2012 7:38:34 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

FReepers wanted that man dead yesterday but he probably saved the taxpayers a lot of money.

Plus he seems nuts and he’ll likely be locked away for life.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 7:39:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: driftdiver

Oh I am sure a neighbor somewhere has already said that to a reporter somewhere...

“They seemed so normal...”


4 posted on 11/28/2012 7:41:30 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TurboZamboni
Smith's home had been repeatedly burglarized by teens looking for money for drugs, his friend John Lange said.....

Smith is retired from the U.S. State Department where he worked as a security engineer, a position responsible for security of embassies and diplomats around the world.

He was responsible for the security of embassies around the world but couldn't secure his own home. How ironic.

5 posted on 11/28/2012 7:46:45 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: TurboZamboni
Smith shot and wounded the teens as they came downstairs and then dispatched them with close range shots to the chest and head. He put their bodies in a workshop and police were not notified until a day later when a neighbor called police.
6 posted on 11/28/2012 7:46:56 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: GeronL

Everyone seems normal in the beginning, then you get around to asking for a bit of history, and folks admit...well...Johnny did get suspended from school for two weeks, and Ervin was detained by the county deputy for assault. Then folks start to remember more details, and put one and one together.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 7:47:24 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: GeronL
FReepers wanted that man dead yesterday but he probably saved the taxpayers a lot of money.

No, he's going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money in a trial and many decades of housing at Club Fed.

When you say things like "If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," admitting you fired "more shots than I needed to," and are proud of your "good clean finishing shot," you've crossed the line from self defense to murder.

8 posted on 11/28/2012 7:48:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Uncle Chip

maybe Marx Dayton can send out Rice to explain what happened was due to a youtube video.


9 posted on 11/28/2012 7:51:02 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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The criminal complaint:

http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/Criminal+Complaint+-+BYRON+SMITH.pdf


10 posted on 11/28/2012 7:53:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: driftdiver

The shooter will go prison, but I know who got the longer sentence.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 7:53:25 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Yo-Yo
he's going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money in a trial and many decades of housing at Club Fed.

His federal State Department pension will pay for that.

12 posted on 11/28/2012 7:56:39 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: driftdiver

“you’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Do I feel lucky?” Well, do ya, punk?

Looks like they picked the wrong house to break into, and perhaps terrorize the old man(?)

One can only imagine the fear of hearing the glass breaking and someone entering your own house. If the tables were turned, the old guy would have just been another crime statistic.

As it turned out I wonder if it was politically incorrect if the home owner Greeted them with .............
“Hellooooooo Baby!”


13 posted on 11/28/2012 8:11:29 PM PST by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: Yo-Yo

When a burglar breaks into your residence while you are home are you going to break out the tea and crumpets instead of the Glock???


14 posted on 11/28/2012 8:16:58 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No, but when the girl is lying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds, walking up to her and emptying the clip into her head, and then hanging out with 2 dead bodies at the house for a few days is not the correct course of action either.


15 posted on 11/28/2012 8:29:27 PM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Yo-Yo
When you say things like "If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," admitting you fired "more shots than I needed to," and are proud of your "good clean finishing shot," you've crossed the line from self defense to murder.

I dunno, the thought of ending up facing a crazy bastard like that is at least one tiny factor in my decision not to break into random strangers' houses.

once again, government thwarts the powerful lessons we can learn from the misfortune of others...

16 posted on 11/28/2012 8:31:55 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Uncle Chip

“He was responsible for the security of embassies around the world but couldn’t secure his own home. How ironic.”

I’m sure he didn’t have the money the State Department has.

And he did better than State did at Benghazi - the bad guys that attacked him are dead.


17 posted on 11/28/2012 9:28:37 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: GeronL

I saw a couple of threads a few days ago—I didn’t see yesterdays—but I am warming to the guy. The most recent previous burglary had been on Oct. 28, during which the burglars took a bunch of guns (perhaps all), which may explain why he was left using very small caliber weapons for defense. He probably knew as well as the freepers that have been pointing it out that this was not a good situation. I’m not sure what gun laws are like in Minnesota, but this could even have been something that had been eating at him for a while.

He may have also thought that there was a good chance that the same blokes who had come through earlier were back to finish him off. If he is working in the basement when he hears the break in, he may very well effectively be trapped. There is a very good chance that there are multiple people involved in the break in, and he needs to take them all out using not very effective guns. Everyone coming down the stairs needs to be taken out both so that they cannot shoot him initially and so that they will not distract him as other people come down the stairs. If a third person shows up while he is still dealing with the second, he is not in good shape.

He does seem to have crossed a line, and is certainly doing himself no favours by talking, but I can picture a psychological state justifying it to the extent that I would not be too bothered having him as a neighbor.


18 posted on 11/28/2012 9:32:38 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

His comments prove he is a moron. First thing you say to the cops when something like this happens is “I was in fear for my life” maybe burst into tears. Instead he talks about his “finishing shot”? Whack job idiot.

And this guy used to work for the state department? Oh my.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 11:07:39 PM PST by BootsOfEscaping
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To: GeronL

Let me get in first/early with a great big “GOOD SHOOT”.


20 posted on 11/28/2012 11:38:44 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (That Queer Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: BootsOfEscaping

While saying I was in fear for my life to the police would have been much better, I might suggest that better yet would be “no comment” until I have my attorney present. Remember anything you say can and will most likely be used against you. Just a friendly suggestion.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 2:44:07 AM PST by toomanylaws
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To: Jack Hydrazine
When a burglar breaks into your residence while you are home are you going to break out the tea and crumpets instead of the Glock???

Hell no. In states with a Castle Doctrine, if someone breaks into your house you are automatically granted the benefit of the doubt that you were in fear of your safety and deadly force was justified.

However, when someone is laying on the ground, gasping for breath, the threat has ended, and your justified use of deadly force has ended. Did you read the criminal complaint in post 10?

Smith states several minutes later he again heard footsteps on the main floor of his house. Smith stated that another person came down the stairs into the basement where he was sitting. Smith said he waited until he could see her hips and then he shot her. After shooting the person she tumbled down the steps. Smith stated that he tried to shoot her again with the Mini 14 but the gun jammed. Smith stated that, after the gun jammed, the woman laughed at him. Smith stated that it was not a very long laugh because she was already hurting. Smith acknowledged that this made him upset. Smith told Investigator Luberts, "If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again." Smith then pulled out his .22 caliber 9-shot revolver that he was wearing, and he shot the female several times in the chest. Smith acknowledged that he fired "more shots than I needed to." Smith stated that he then dragged the female's body into his office workshop and placed her body next to the man's. Smith stated that the female was still gasping for air. Smith stated at this point he placed the handgun under the woman's chin and shot her "under the chin up into the cranium." Smith described it as "a good clean finishing shot." Smith stated he wanted to end her suffering. Smith acknowledged that neither the male or female had a weapon, but maintained that he was fearful the entire time that they might have a weapon."

It was a clean, justifiable shoot right up to the point where he stands over the woman and shoots her several times while she lays motionless, when he dragged the bodies, and administered a coups de gras to the female as she takes her last breaths. You are demonstrably no longer in fear for your safety, and that, plainly, is second degree murder.

22 posted on 11/29/2012 3:25:03 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

The homeowner may be going to prison for the rest of his life because he didn’t fire enough bullets fast enough to satisfy the criminal justice system but the lives of the other law-abiding citizens in his community and anywhere those two might have traveled to victimize others will be made a bit safer.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 8:48:51 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Uncle Chip
He was responsible for the security of embassies around the world but couldn't secure his own home. How ironic.

He secured his home quite well. Two sub-human scumbags were dispatched, and will not be committing any more crimes.

24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:53:50 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: driftdiver

2 things make me believe the girl was high.

She was in the house when the other teen was shot, so she heard the shot and went to see what happened. Someone in her right mind would have gotten the heck out of hte house.

Second, when she homeowner shot at her she laughed.
For the homeowner to admit to doing what he did, I tend to believe his assertion that she laughed at him.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 10:02:50 AM PST by a real Sheila (R.I.P AMERICA 1776 - 2012)
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