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Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal
Marine Corps Gazette ^ | July2012 | Capt Katie Petronio

Posted on 11/28/2012 8:43:20 PM PST by Marie

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To: gleeaikin

“What is wrong with a 5’11”, marathon running, woman serving in a combat unit.”

The main point of the article is this - the few women who ARE capable of keeping up with the men cannot do it for long. There is NO woman who can do what exceptional men can do for a 20 year career.

They will break.

*My* point is that we’re going to pay a financial price for this. We’re going to have a huge population of disabled female vets that we’re going to have to take care of for life.

I had two friends who were gymnasts when they were young. One was seriously training for the olympics. (Didn’t make it, but came close.)

Both of them had serious health issues, even though they both ‘retired’ before they were 20. Both had joint issues, back and neck problems, abdominal adhesions, one had ruptured an ovary while training and lost that as a teen and on and on.

The female body can take abuse, but can’t take it for as long as a man can. We just aren’t built for it.

Just like a man just isn’t built to carry and birth a baby.

We are equal and both sexes bring something special to the table, but we are different. The refusal to accept this is damaging to our military.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 5:28:58 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie
Everyone should read the entire article. If there's one female who would have made it into a Marine Infantry unit, it's her. Her initial physical strengths upon enlistment could not be matched by most men.
Capt Katie Petronio
I can say with 100 percent assurance that despite my accomplishments, there is no way I could endure the physical demands of the infantrymen whom I worked beside as their combat load and constant deployment cycle would leave me facing medical separation long before the option of retirement. I understand that everyone is affected differently; however, I am confident that should the Marine Corps attempt to fully integrate women into the infantry, we as an institution are going to experience a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females.
The idiots who are pushing this pc social experimentation should read this and take note (but they wont).

an aside: This reminds me of an article I read a few years back about some female Army Officer (Ret.) who *claimed* to be the only woman to ever have been 'in the Special Forces and awarded a Green Beret'. The only tiny problem was -- she wasn't. She was fudging the facts just a tad with her version of what occurred (it was all femi-nazi BS to prove women 'are equal').

22 posted on 11/29/2012 7:12:24 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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23 posted on 11/29/2012 9:29:33 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Marie; All

Regarding your argument that NO woman can do what exceptional men can do for a 20 year career. I am thinking back on the career of my son who is currently in Afghanistan again, with Special Forces. He is 6’1” and solidly muscular in build as were his father and myself (muscular, not tall). He is now almost finished with 18 years. He went to Gulf War I with the 82nd Airborne. They sat around (probably worked out and trained too) for almost 5 months, then the invasion of Iraq which was active. Came home in 4 months. Completed 4 years, left for several years, but was persuaded to re-enlist by his reserve commander. Worked on the Bosnia deployment readiness, attended various schools, including helicopter maintenance school for 4 months. Supervised a unit of helicopters for several years. Moved to Special Forces to be closer to home, wife and children. Did several short term assignments to various places in Europe and Africa. Spent 8 months in Afghanistan in 2006, is now there for, I presume, another 8 months. Don’t know how hard his service is when he is not combat area duty, but his other duty does not seem excessive. He has put on a bit of weight.

Thus in modern terms it does not appear that what he is doing most of the time would be impossible for a strong woman who takes care of herself. Naturally, the kind of warfare our troops faced in Europe or Asia in WWI and II for
years at a time is a different matter. Months and months in the jungle in Vietnam is also a point to consider. However, the military seems to be doing a good job of spacing service, at least for their long term career Army people. Also, I imagine there are plenty of smaller men who are not asked to do what he does occasionally.

Regarding the young gymnasts, it is dangerous to push young bodies of girls or boys as much as some are pushed to satisfy the egos of parents or coaches, or even their own overwhelming desire. It is the responsibility of the adults in their lives not to push them to the point of injury. I was 8 years older than my young siblings, and my father treated me like a boy, working in our large victory garden, lifting heavy objects, working in the cold repairing cars at the age of 6, etc. Sometimes my mother would scream at him, “don’t make her lift that, she will rupture herself.” Usually he would back down. Meanwhile I became very strong. When I entered a new school after helping move the accumulation of 12 years living in one place plus 4 tons of salvaged lumber for an addition to our new home, I was the most fit girl (age 16) out of 150 girls in gym. Tested with sit-ups, push-ups, and obstacle course run. I am now in my 70s, eat healthy food, take my vitamins and other supplements, and am full of life and interests and have no noticeable illnesses or infirmities.


24 posted on 11/29/2012 4:18:14 PM PST by gleeaikin
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The natural birth rate is higher for men because with 2% less chromosomal material (Y versus X chromosome size) they have a higher natural death rate. So far as China and India are concerned, where there is a preference for males, this is one of the points of equal opportunity in the military since many societies value warfare and militarism so much. Islamic marriage rules (4 wives if treated equal) causes the same limitation on marriage for many men. This also occurs among some Mormon subgroups. Of course these last two groups also consider women lesser creatures compared to men.


25 posted on 11/29/2012 4:26:42 PM PST by gleeaikin
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I don’t know about the cops and firepeople, but I made an interesting observation when my son was in high school ROTC. It was a large school and he was in the Ranger ROTC sub-unit. I got to know some of the other members, and it seemed to me that they all had strong, dominant (but not overbearing) mothers, which included me. I was more dominant than my husband who was not a wimp either (Korean War combat infantry officer, unarmed combat trainer), and steadier and more sure in my motivation and actions.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 4:34:12 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

You missed my point.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 10:38:38 PM PST by Fungi
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To: gleeaikin

Wrong. This is a simple question with a simple answer. You can’t see it, instead obfuscating it with nonsense.


28 posted on 12/13/2012 10:37:51 PM PST by Fungi
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To: gleeaikin
No. Your response is purely secular, one that does not, nor cannot address the issue. It is one of a religious nature, one where a sovereign God knows the nature of Man and created accordingly. Not an answer you want to hear, but the truth.
29 posted on 12/14/2012 8:22:12 PM PST by Fungi
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I’m not sure what your point was. Actually while the natural birthrate is slightly higher for males, in China and India the ratio is quite a bit higher because of sex selective abortion. They do not have a “natural” birth rate sex ratio.


30 posted on 12/14/2012 11:38:24 PM PST by gleeaikin
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