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Another Shooting May Test Florida Law(Jordan, Dunn)
nytimes.com ^ | 28 November, 2012 | LIZETTE ALVAREZ

Posted on 11/29/2012 12:52:02 AM PST by marktwain

MIAMI — In what could become another test of Florida’s broad self-defense law, a software developer charged with killing a Jacksonville teenager said he reached for his gun and fired eight rounds only after he was threatened with a shotgun.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; dunn; fl; jordan; jordandavis; michaeldunn
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The other side of the story comes out. The fact that the New York Times is reporting Dunn's side of the story is significant.

As I recall it took them a long time to report Zimmerman's side of events.

1 posted on 11/29/2012 12:52:09 AM PST by marktwain
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Ah, but according to the article, the shotgun hasn’t been found. This doesn’t mean it wasn’t tossed, but we’ll see.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 1:03:35 AM PST by Amberdawn
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Dispute over loud music? = Stupid.

Leave the scene? = Really stupid.

Then, to be tracked down by the police? They charged him with second degree murder. Duh!


3 posted on 11/29/2012 1:15:43 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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Ah, but according to the article, the shotgun hasn’t been found. This doesn’t mean it wasn’t tossed, but we’ll see.


4 posted on 11/29/2012 1:19:18 AM PST by Amberdawn
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There are probably pictures of it on the SUV occupants’ Facebook accounts or cell phones.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 1:26:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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The other side of the story comes out. The fact that the New York Times is reporting Dunn's side of the story is significant.

What is significant about it? Everyone has been reporting the story the same way, as soon as his attorney put out a claim of a shot-gun, everyone reported it, so what is the big deal?

Who has been holding anything back? Heck you have been on a long thread that had all kinds of reporting of it, so why pretend that they weren't?

6 posted on 11/29/2012 1:41:09 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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We all need to be wary of any story like this that makes Blacks “innocent” during these types of crimes....we know from the George Zimmerman case that the media will lie to cover for Blacks...even at the expense of other minorities

Sad part is that Jack Booted Nazi Thug Angela Corey is the State Atty in Jacksonville (Duval County) and she has another Stand Your Ground victim to prosecute. This one will be a little easier for her as the victim is White


7 posted on 11/29/2012 3:27:38 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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As the car with the teenagers pulled out, he feared they would try to shoot back, so he fired four more shots, his lawyer said.

Maybe the weakest spot in the case for applying SYG even if the shotgun, or evidence of it, were found. It's unclear at best if SYG should apply to shooting a fleeing assailant. I'm also surprised with that little bitty 9 mm gun someone was badly wounded, let alone killed.

8 posted on 11/29/2012 3:32:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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But the NYT wasn’t able to complete the story without one bogus comparison of “no weapon found.” Well in the Traytable case, it is also “no weapon alleged,” and there has not been a formal filing asking for SYG in the Traytable case, which there has to be in order to use it.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 3:35:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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I suspect he was really drunk, which was probably one of the reasons he left the scene. Actually, it was probably one of the reasons the whole thing happened.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 3:53:09 AM PST by livius
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Does anybody on this thread, anybody, think that the first, second, or even last thing going through George Zimmerman's mind, or Michael Dunn's mind, is "I'm protected from murder charges of shooting this @$$#ole who's attacking me by a "Stand Your Ground" law? I'll go ahead and pull the trigger, then get a good lawyer and ask them to use SYG as my defense. Die, scumbag!"

Yep. Sure they do. I would go around looking for perps to blow away if my state had that law. / bitter sarc

11 posted on 11/29/2012 4:39:33 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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Mr. Dunn will probably die in prison. We’ll see what all comes out in the courtroom.

But one lesson might, “might,” just be learned by some of our yutes:

Crazy Old White Guys might just pull out a blaster and shoot your ass if you blast your music too loud in the parking lot.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 4:54:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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I'm also surprised with that little bitty 9 mm gun someone was badly wounded, let alone killed.

9mm's have killed a lot of people.

13 posted on 11/29/2012 5:03:22 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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But she said the shooting bore no resemblance to the case of George Zimmerman, accused of second-degree murder in the death of Mr. Martin.

“There is no racial motivation here whatsoever,” Ms. Lemonidis said. “He would have never, ever, in a million years pulled a gun if his life was not threatened. He saw a shotgun, and four inches of the barrel, and the guy said to him, ‘This is going down now’ and popped the door open.”

There is absolutely no racial motivation in the Trayvon Martin case, as well. To say there is - is a blatant lie.

14 posted on 11/29/2012 5:10:42 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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pointed a shotgun at him through a partly rolled-down window, threatened to kill him and began to open the door.

His story is evolving -- the "threatened to kill him" is new. If the music was so loud how would he hear any threats. And "began to open the door" is also new but the back doors were locked and lock controlled from the front.

His story is evolving -- but his problems are many.

15 posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Everyone involved in this story is stupid and lying.


16 posted on 11/29/2012 5:31:51 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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Of course it can and has. It’s just it’s such a piddly weapon from the viewpoint of having to use it for self defense in a chaotic situation.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 5:37:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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Somebody points a shot gun at you and it ain’t a threat to kill?


18 posted on 11/29/2012 5:39:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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fled the convenience store in his Volkswagen Jetta after the teenagers left because he was afraid they would return,

Sorry but that is a pathetic excuse. If you are afraid go in the store and lock the door. The clerk was already on the phone to the police and if not he should have been.

Was he in any way concerned that the shots that he fired at the vehicle might have gone awry and hit some innocent person in the line of fire???.

19 posted on 11/29/2012 5:39:23 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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His story is evolving -- the "threatened to kill him" is new. If the music was so loud how would he hear any threats. And "began to open the door" is also new but the back doors were locked and lock controlled from the front.

I do not see how you can say his "story is evolving" when this is in the first account that was put out by his attorney. The only other accounts that I recall were saying that he claimed self defense, so I do not see any "evolution".

20 posted on 11/29/2012 5:40:28 AM PST by marktwain
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