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Obama’s “Tell” In Fiscal Cliff Negotiations
Conservative HQ ^ | 11/12/2012 | George Rasley

Posted on 11/29/2012 7:44:52 AM PST by Powers Not Delegated

Experienced negotiators, and poker players, always look for the opponent’s “tell” -- that one little blink or tic that helps them see through the opponent’s deception to reveal what the opponent is really thinking or what cards he really holds.

For those Republicans who thought Obama was actually serious about avoiding the government’s “fiscal cliff,” he just blinked and revealed his cards – and they show a hand that Democrats have held before and know how to play to entice Republicans into making a sucker bet.

What Obama said to reveal his hand was that Congress should pass his tax increase plan now and hold-off on making any decisions on spending cuts until next year.

To Capitol Hill’s establishment Republican politicians, never eager in the first place to make the hard choices involved in reducing spending, this sounded like manna from Heaven: an opportunity to pass a tax increase they see as inevitable, while looking reasonable and kicking the can down the road on cutting spending.

This is a sucker bet that got Republicans skunked when they raised taxes and President George H.W. Bush went back on his “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge.

And it is a sucker bet that even President Ronald Reagan, with all his political skill, took to his regret.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donedeal; fiscalcliff; obama; spending; taxes
I'm betting on McConnell and Boehner folding
1 posted on 11/29/2012 7:44:58 AM PST by Powers Not Delegated
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To: Powers Not Delegated

Welcome to FR.

Of course they will fold, and Boehner will cry.
And no spending will be cut, but it will instead increase, and the testicle-less Republican leadership will wring their hands while whining, yet again.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 7:49:21 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
Obama’s “Tell” In Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

His lips were moving?

No "negotiations" required, On orders from Boehner and McConnell, Chambliss and the RINOs surrendered faster than than a bunch of French whores - way before any shots were fired! Their strategy is to raise taxes now and the dims will cut expenditures - NEVER!

3 posted on 11/29/2012 7:50:53 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Fast and Furious , Benghazi - What's 0bama's current body count?)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
If they fold they'll do so fully understanding what they are doing and what the outcome of the agreement will be.

If they do, when they step up to announce the 'deal' may they be drowned out by the sound of a million raspberries.

4 posted on 11/29/2012 7:50:59 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Powers Not Delegated

we lose in every possible scenario.

we go over, the press hounds our side for 2 straight years as being the cause of a second recession. we then lose the house.

we don’t go over, a will still have stagflation, conservatives are still blamed... you see this is just as Orwell predicted... we lose the house.

the truth is what the Prez and the Press say it is.

it’s going to take a complete collapse of the United States for things to ever turn around... for now, we are just playing games.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 7:51:30 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Powers Not Delegated

“I’m betting on McConnell and Boehner folding”

Its a foregone conclusion.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 7:53:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

What few are saying is that 0bama WANTS fiscal collapse.

He’ll take whatever power he can get along the way,
but he will still collapse the economy.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 7:56:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

I’m reluctant to be critical, but this article is no more insightful than saying that Lucy has a “tell” that she is going to pull the football away from Charlie Brown right before he kicks it.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 7:56:40 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

Of course Boehner will fold. The only question is will Lord Obama accept the unconditional surrender. He may prefer to go over the cliff.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 7:57:33 AM PST by NeoCaveman (SMOD 2012)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
The House (GOP majority) should pass their own budget, stand firm and call Soetoro's bluff.

Wishful thinking perhaps...

10 posted on 11/29/2012 7:58:02 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

11 posted on 11/29/2012 7:59:07 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

The Republican establishment can’t think of enough ways to get themselves ‘had’!


12 posted on 11/29/2012 7:59:34 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Chuzzlewit

When ‘The System’ collapses, it is essentially ‘fixed’.............


13 posted on 11/29/2012 8:00:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: henkster

GMTA!...........


14 posted on 11/29/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: DTogo

That’s exactly what I’ve said. The GOP will be screwed in the press no matter what they do. They might as well do the right thing (and the job they were sent to do) and not play politics. They won’t win the political game because the press stacked the deck.


15 posted on 11/29/2012 8:01:54 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Red Badger

Dittoes! Lol!


16 posted on 11/29/2012 8:04:00 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: MrB

Power? Power over what? By the time Obama and the Dhimmicrats get through with America, the only thing they’ll have POWER over is a throng of slobbering, screaming babies demanding their Obamaphones and other freebies. When “he” takes all he can from the “evil” rich and can’t deliver any more “Obamaloot”, these throngs will riot and burn everything in sight - including him if he gets in their way.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 8:05:39 AM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE of Blacks & Hispanics!)
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To: Chuzzlewit
So why don't we give him everything he and the leftists with the most fevered dreams want. They are going to do it anyway; let's help the country over the cliff and see what is left after economic collapse and hyperinflation. At most, don't oppose Obama, just abstain from the votes for higher taxes, more entitlements, and more everything.
18 posted on 11/29/2012 8:06:55 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Chuzzlewit

Instead of concession and agreement wherein the blame is shared, why don’t they say that they firmly disagree with it, but see that the Democrats are willing to let people suffer, so they will simply vote PRESENT, sort of a protest. At least make it very, very, very clear who owns the whole thing. Otherwise, if they make an agreement and things tank, we will only hear that “Republicans are equally to blame.” So, take a stand OR vote “Present” but don’t share in the takedown actively please, Republicans.


19 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:06 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: Twinkie

This has happened before, so we can see what will happen.

Those who cause the collapse will re-direct the blame on “the rich”,
which basically means anyone that owns anything at all.

And in 0bama’s case, those he redirects blame on will invariably be paler than he is, giving his peeps an excuse.


20 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:45 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

“when they raised taxes and President George H.W. Bush went back on his read my lips, no new taxes pledge”

These are the looters, the Bailout Babies of 2008. This will result in acceleration of:

1. Continued diminished purchases.
2. Hence unemployment and business closing.
3. Due to #2, Extortion-Care fines and penalties, becomes the Federal WorkCamp.
.........Arbeitsziehungslager


21 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:52 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Truth29

I like that idea. Take a page from obama’s book and vote “present”


22 posted on 11/29/2012 8:09:23 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Powers Not Delegated

If McConnell or Boehner had any guts they’d say:

“Well Lucy, You can take that football and shove it where the sun don’t shine!”

Whimpy’s line, about: “I’ll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today.”, is also apt, but the reference is a bit dated for most.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 8:13:42 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: henkster
They might as well do the right thing (and the job they were sent to do) and not play politics.

But if they do that they might not be reelected: a thought that induces night terrors in today's professional political class. What about those lush retirement and medical benefits? The media attention and glitzy parties, not to mention the under-the-table "extras" provided by lobbyists?

The Republic died the day Americans allowed politics to become a profession and not a civic calling.

24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:55 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Powers Not Delegated
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY

The Republicans should vote "present," in both the House and the Senate, and publicly state that this is the Democrat's plan, lock, stock, and barrel.

25 posted on 11/29/2012 8:22:42 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: G Larry

It will be easy to know when Mc Connel is ready to cave. He will give a very tough-talking, conservative’s dream speech on the Senate floor immediately preceding his total capitulation.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 8:24:13 AM PST by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Chuzzlewit
the truth is what the Prez and the Press say it is.

Unfortunately....very true. The long term goal MUST be to formulate a plan to "take over" as many media outlets as possible. Problem for good conservative business people is that a lot of the media outlets are bleeding money right now and it would be a "bad investment". I think the libs look at any media venture as a necessary "cost" rather than a business and that's the way some deep pocket conservatives need to view it also.
27 posted on 11/29/2012 8:25:01 AM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
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28 posted on 11/29/2012 8:29:16 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: henkster

Except it didn’t matter how many times the football was pulled away, Charlie Brown still talked himself into believing that THIS was the one time it wouldn’t. The triumph of hope over experience.


29 posted on 11/29/2012 8:48:43 AM PST by Powers Not Delegated
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To: Darksheare

What’s really crazy is that Obama promised in 2008 a “net spending cut” if he was elected. He actually accused McCain of being the big spender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZpJ4rSITo


30 posted on 11/29/2012 8:51:45 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Anima Mundi

Obama got to the White House voting present. So I agree with you. Vote present and let the Dims own it.


31 posted on 11/29/2012 9:01:04 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: Anima Mundi

Obama got to the White House voting present. So I agree with you. Vote present and let the Dims own it.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 9:01:20 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: Anima Mundi

Obama got to the White House voting present. So I agree with you. Vote present and let the Dims own it.


33 posted on 11/29/2012 9:01:24 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: Deo volente

Down the memory hole!
The Ministry of Truth demands it!

It’s much more lucrative for Obama to fiscally destroy the nation.
He gains much more doing that then he would by actually performing good stewardship over the nation.
Hence tghe actions designed to do the opposite of what is right and opposite of what he initially ran on.


34 posted on 11/29/2012 9:04:28 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
Congress should pass his tax increase plan now and hold-off on making any decisions on spending cuts until next year

Yep, I caught that, too. Much like Nancy's pass it now and we'll read it later. That worked out well, didn't it.

35 posted on 11/29/2012 9:15:36 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

The narrative is being framed around the GOP has to do something. The GOP doesn’t have to do anything, this is the deal they negotiated mid-year. It was designed to push the issue down the road and make it look like both sides have to do something.

If they’re not willing to standby what they already agreed what makes us think that ‘tax now’ cuts later is going to work?

All bills must originate in the house, start passing bills for what you want in piecemeal fashion and keep the pressure on the DEM held Senate — keep the DEMS holding things up. Because we all *KNOW* beyond any certainty that ‘cuts later’ aren’t going to happen. If the GOP capitulates now, they DEMS will only start asking for more.


36 posted on 11/29/2012 9:16:41 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: copaliscrossing

Obama’s goal is to destroy America and blame Republicans.

It is best we limit the damage, as we’ll be blamed regardless.

Then, mount a takeover of the Senate in 2014, and stop the bastard!


37 posted on 11/29/2012 9:40:03 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Powers Not Delegated
Oh, how I long for the day when Tip O'Neill was Speaker. a real man who kept every president in his place. Leader of the People's House. Boner is a pathetic disgrace. A cheap suit with an IQ of an ape. He is nailing the final nails in the coffin of American freedom. Even Pigtosi was more of a man that this piece of dirt.
38 posted on 11/29/2012 10:07:33 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Powers Not Delegated

I would like to see us go over the cliff for real. I would end up paying much higher taxes but we would get way more spending cuts than any other deal will include. Then in Feb when its time to raise the debt ceiling just refuse and tell dems in senate they will have to pass their first budget in over three years and oh yeah... it needs to be balanced on a dollar in basis. No more borrowing. This would also take the fed out of the bond buying business because the us would not need to sell bonds anymore.


39 posted on 11/29/2012 10:15:39 AM PST by cdpap
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To: MrB
you ask the question: Why would big “O” want to crash the country? Very simple, so he can impose socialism! As a matter of fact, this country is going socialist right before your eyes. every year, the federal government is taking more and the private sector is producing less: now at
43/57%.
40 posted on 11/29/2012 11:29:56 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: upcountryhorseman

I didn’t ask why he would.
I just stated that that’s what he wants.
I KNOW why he wants to do it.


41 posted on 11/29/2012 11:38:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: April Lexington

An interesting point about O’Neil v Boehner. It may not all be about just personality and leadership style but it could be about the decline of representative democracy and the relative shrinkage of the power wielded by “the people’s house” and the rise of the Imperial Presidency.


42 posted on 11/29/2012 11:47:45 AM PST by Powers Not Delegated
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