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Yes, Romney Was the Problem
realclearpolitics.com ^ | November 27, 2012 | Steve Baldwin

Posted on 11/29/2012 7:55:36 AM PST by Resettozero

The GOP establishment and some conservative pundits, such as Ann Coulter, are in full defense mode, claiming that Romney is not responsible for losing to an incumbent responsible for perhaps the most damaging fiscal crises in our nation’s history. Don’t believe it. Romney IS responsible for wasting a billion dollars to carry out an issue-free campaign full of simple-minded platitudes. Indeed, Coulter is leading the charge with her recent column titled, Don’t Blame Romney. It’s sweet to watch Coulter defend her darling Romney, but let’s get real.

The reality is that Romney was one of the worst GOP presidential candidates in modern times. He was not the first choice of most conservative voters but he managed to rise through the ranks in the primary due to conservatives being split 4-5 ways, but also due to a slew of endorsements from conservative leaders and groups that had no business endorsing him – such as Ann Coulter. Repeatedly, Coulter assured conservatives that Romney was one of us and that he would be the “best possible candidate” to face Obama. But as any conservative from Massachusetts knew, Romney was a liberal at heart who, as Governor, led the nation in passing three of the left’s most sacred issues: Same sex marriage, Cap and Trade, and government control of health care.

But the Romney forces were clever. Beginning in 2004, they created a half dozen PACs to give money to conservative and GOP entities all over the country. I’ve reviewed these disclosures and hundreds of GOP and conservative entities benefitted from Romney’s largess. In other words, he bought the support of many “conservative leaders” and used that support to give himself “cred” among conservative voters. It was a phony image though and it’s shameful that so many conservative leaders went along with this ruse.

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1 posted on 11/29/2012 7:55:41 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Accurate piece.
Sadly, Romney was another Bob Dole...


2 posted on 11/29/2012 7:58:58 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Resettozero
Romney governed to the left of Bill Clinton which hurt him with fiscal conservatives, and is a cult leader which hurt him with Christian social conservatives.

Of course Romney was the problem....Romney and the globalist Bush/Rove RINO cabal that foisted him upon us !

3 posted on 11/29/2012 8:00:55 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Resettozero

He sure as heck wasn’t my first choice. The GOP Establishment needs to be taken over by Conservatives.


4 posted on 11/29/2012 8:01:44 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Resettozero

Yeah, he WAS the problem. Let’s ignore voter fraud, an entitlement mentality of over 50% of the country, a totally biased media, racism, and several other factors. Yep, Romney was the problem. If people actually believe this, the GOP, and the conservative movement in general is dead.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 8:03:15 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: b4its2late

We’re trying but it isn’t working out too well. Look at Mia Love and Allen West. The GOP establishment doesn’t really want conservatives. I just don’t understand why, though.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Resettozero

Absolutely dead on perfect. Romney was THE problem. It wasn’t anything else but Romney and the fools who pushed him on us.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 8:05:04 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Dole is a pretty good comparison. I never hated Dole, I just knew he was a poor candidate. McCain...I probably wouldn’t push him out of the way of an oncoming bus...he’s a turd. Romney is an accomplished guy...and probably would have been the best candidate for us in 2008, but this time around, he was an awful choice. Unfortunately, there was not a decent alternative. Newt and Santorum would have gotten beat, too...and Perry sunk himself with a terrible performance.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 8:05:04 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: softwarecreator

Romney was the symptom of the problem.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 8:05:27 AM PST by livius
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To: Resettozero

If he’d fought as hard against Obama as he did other Republicans, he may actually have stood a chance.
But, he played patty cake and tried not to offend much.
Coupled with the demster vote fraud, he was another Bob Dole/John McCain weak candidate.
And yet another one we would not be able to trust because his record of governing was that of a solid liberal.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 8:06:12 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Resettozero

Thanks for posting this, Reset. Romney had an absolute target-rich environment in the 3rd debate - he could have nailed obozo to the wall over Benghazi, but chose not to. That whole debate should have been about Benghazi and obozo’s inability to defend those men who he watched in REAL TIME as they were murdered.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:01 AM PST by Ken522
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To: softwarecreator

Let’s also ignore the RNC cheating to get Romney to be the candidate.
Let’s also forget how Romney fought light years harder against other Republicans than he did against Obama.

Yes, he was a problem.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:09 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Resettozero
I chose Newt in the primary but if Romney ever said “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country” and not JFK, the liberal media of 2012 would have castigated him as selfish, out-of-touch and an extremist while pop culture would have ridiculed him as a rich white guy.
13 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:30 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Having an abortion is "progressive"?)
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To: softwarecreator
He wasn't the ONLY problem, but he was A BIG problem. I still believe that if we had a candidate that believed in conservative principles and could present them in a positive light, we would have had a better chance to win.

Instead, we get this.

14 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:30 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Resettozero; sickoflibs

Several of us said all along he was the problem and we were accused of being DU trolls even if we have been here for over a decade.

Finally, everyone else is seeing what we saw


15 posted on 11/29/2012 8:09:55 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Resettozero
Romney IS responsible for wasting a billion dollars to carry out an issue-free campaign full of simple-minded platitudes.

And if what I heard a couple of days ago on Fox News is correct, a big chunk of his campaign team has already started meeting with Jeb Bush.

So we've got that to look forward to.

16 posted on 11/29/2012 8:11:15 AM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Resettozero

Let me see....in 2008 McCain decided not to use Rev Wright and his terrorist pals against Obama. You dream about something like this falling in your lap!

Now Romney could not have used Rev Wright even if he had wanted to because of his own troubles with cult of his own...

Do not think he would have used it anyway. NOW in 2012 we have another scandal in Bengazi, again the kind of things you only dream of falling in your lap, but we do not use it.

Perhaps it would not have worked, I have no idea, maybe the American people or too many of them have just back slided to far to far

The fact that a Democrat, a anti Christian Democrat can be elected is a sign we are in the last days...not really news, I mean Kerry and Gore almost won

Also remember that the folks that voted for Obama are every bit as evil as him, anybody that has voted with Dems since 1972 or thereabouts is also anti Christian.

Hillary and the gang are every bit as evil as Obama, they all share same values


17 posted on 11/29/2012 8:11:54 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Resettozero
As long as people keep lining up behind candidates like Romney (and McCain, Dole, GWB, etc) the GOP will keep nominating them.

2016 prediction --

1) The GOP will nominate a moderate candidate indistinguishable on may issues from the Democrat candidate.

2) People will bitch & moan about how he/she is a RINO, etc and how they will NEVER, EVER vote for that person. And, if you say you will vote for that person you'll be subject to name-calling, ridicule, etc.

3) As the election draws near, those same people will turn 180 degrees & say voting for the RINO must be done, it is imperative, the future of the entire universe rests on electing that person, etc. And, if you say will not vote for that person you'll be subject to name-calling, ridicule, etc.

4) The GOP candidate goes down in flames. Again.

Not much of a prediction, really.

18 posted on 11/29/2012 8:12:00 AM PST by gdani
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To: Resettozero

So, I suppose Romney is the problem as the GOP prepares to cave on tax increases for the rich in exchange for nothing at all?

The problem is the staggering stupidity of the right.


19 posted on 11/29/2012 8:15:00 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Resettozero

I am sick and tired of the predictable circular firing squads that come out every time we lose an election. And I am also sick and tired of every GOP candidate being compared to Ronald Reagan. There will only be one Reagan.

Was Romney perfect? Of course not. Did he flip flop? Of course, nearly all politicians do. Rule of thumb: When a candidate is flipping in YOUR direction, don’t complain about it.

Now does anyone think any of the other candidates could have won? Newt Gingrich with all of his personal baggage, Herman Cain with all of those women coming out of the woodwork? Ron Paul??? Michelle Bachmann who narrowly held on to her house seat? Rick Santorum who lost re-election in his home state by a whopping 18% then hightailed it out of PA to become a Washington lobbyist? Rick Perry who performed miserably in the debates?

Let’s get on with it and stop fighting yesterday’s battles. I’m sick of the blame game. We need to unite for a change and block Obama’s ruinous tax hikes and agenda these next four years. Our greatest enemy is ourselselves, our endless finger pointing, circular firing squads, and blame games. We need to be UNITED now more than ever if we want to stop Obama’s agenda these next four years.


20 posted on 11/29/2012 8:15:45 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Resettozero

I know people are writing articles that it is time to move on about the candidate being the wrong one/stories to accepting it and don’t bash him posts.. But..He was the problem .. republican moderates/dems lites rewriting the republican party platform is the disease and until the conservatives get back into leadership roles to make these other representatives stay in line, nothing can change. If we had a strong speaker, even in the worse of times, we would win some of these battles. Just image a young Newt leader(someone who is there to get work/reforms done) The current speaker has let us down. I wish he was a different type of leader. He’s one of the problems. He should be out front and center about all of these issues. Where is he? He needs to be strong (crack the whip, as they say) so the others follow a message vs some going off in a foreign place of ideas with a diluted message.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 8:16:21 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: kosciusko51
Bush Sr was the problem, Dole was the problem, McCain was the problem, and now Romney is the problem. What is that definition of insanity again?

As long as we have a totally biased media, free gifts for everyone, illegals allowed to vote, and unchecked voter fraud we will NOT win ... I don't care if Reagan could be risen up and allowed to run again. Until these matters are reversed, the GOP will not win another election. Thinking otherwise is just passing the blame without addressing the cause.

22 posted on 11/29/2012 8:16:52 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Resettozero

A charismatic personality is needed for our next candidate. Romney has never been accused of having that personality, but others show great promise in this area.

Charisma will be a determining factor for many cycles to come and we need to adapt to that need.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 8:17:09 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: livius
"Romney was the symptom of the problem."

I totally agree. > $1 billion spent with Mittens and PACs but there wasn't a single coherent message of how things would be better by replacing the empty chair president. Clint had a much more powerful message by speaking off the cuff than all of the high paid consultants combined. What disgraceful, wasteful, incompetence!

24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:18:00 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Resettozero

We need to hold all of the Republican primaries on the same day throughout all the states. By the time Texas has its primary there are only RINOs left.


25 posted on 11/29/2012 8:18:04 AM PST by avacado
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To: ilovesarah2012

THEY want to get just enough conservative votes so they can go the the table with the Democrats and get what THEY want. If they can win, then so much the better, Then they will bargain with the Democrats and sell out conservatives, because they really want what the Democrats want, which is access to the public purse.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 8:19:00 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

THEY want to get just enough conservative votes so they can go the the table with the Democrats and get what THEY want. If they can win, then so much the better, Then they will bargain with the Democrats and sell out conservatives, because they really want what the Democrats want, which is access to the public purse.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 8:19:08 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Resettozero
Romney’s liberal record so compromised him that he was unable to attack Obama on a whole range of issues due to fear of Obama using his own positions from just a few years earlier to make him look like a hypocrite. Whether its Cap and Trade, ObamaCare, gun control, gays in the military, religious freedom or even illegal aliens, Romney took these issues off the table because his own record on these issues was not dissimilar to the Obama record.

Then he should've run as a an open Liberal instead of pretending to be a Conservative.

At least then we could finally put to rest the fool notion that The Republican Party needs to be more like The RAT Party in order to win elections.

Ask Scott Brown how that worked for him.

This double sucks. Not only did a Liberal Republican lose, The Right still gets blamed for it.

Screw it. I don't care. The truth is the truth. If people are too stupid or too lazy to figure that out for themselves, that's not going to stop me from spouting it.

28 posted on 11/29/2012 8:19:24 AM PST by Texas Eagle (1)
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To: Resettozero
Romney IS responsible for wasting a billion dollars to carry out an issue-free campaign full of simple-minded platitudes.

Hmm... I was told by some (who happen to be of the RINO persuasion) that Romney should not get specific about what he will do."Obama's sinking himself"

You were wrong!

(whoever you are)

Guess I wasn't really the "concerned troll" he or she tried to make me out to be, huh?

29 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:26 AM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
More correctly Romney was identical to Wendell Willkie ~ and ended up losing the same as Wendell Willkie.

Only difference was no one knows if Willkie ever bothered registering as a Republican ~ even after the nomination.

FDR had a good chuckle over that candidacy.

Harry Truman said about another Republican who wasn't as bad as Willkie or Romney, that Democrat voters when given a choice between a fake Democrat and a real Democrat will chose the real Democrat every time.

Join me in one of my really early criticisms of Romney:

"To: Eagle Forgotten....... Isn't Romney much more like Willie Horton than Dukakis? Think of it this way. Horton became a political problem when the state of Massachusetts cut him loose for a weekend visit and he decided he needed to do a home invasion in Maryland where he beat the occupants and raped the wife...... Here we have the state of Massachusetts once again cutting loose a guy who'd earlier been housed and fed by the state government at public expense, and he's taken the opportunity to break into the Republican party where he's terrorizing the occupants (with a large wad of campaign cash), and for all we know may be joining Joe Biden in upping the rape rate....... I think we need to send Willard and Willy (if he's lose again) back home where they belong!........ Oh, yeah, they offer FREE MEDICAL CARE for illegal aliens and there's going to be a hard winter this year. Mass is the place to be fur shur. ..... 4 posted on October 23, 2011 11:36:26 PM EDT by muawiyah [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse] "

I think that was about the time Coulter and some of the others came out FOR Romney, or at least used that term "More Electable" ~ and there I was comparing this loser to Dukakis and Willie Horton ~ in a commentary on a George Will commentary about Dukakis ~ another Mass technocrat.

Willie was a much better example I think.

30 posted on 11/29/2012 8:21:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Christie at the beach

Boehner and McConnell, unfortunately, agree with the enemy more often than they agree with their conservative allies.


31 posted on 11/29/2012 8:22:20 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: reaganaut

Don’t forget how the Rino squishes told conservatives that Romney didn’t need our vote while trying to at the same time bully us about him.
Real great strategy there by his supporters.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 8:23:12 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: gdani
1) The GOP will nominate a moderate candidate indistinguishable on many issues from the Democrat candidate.

1) The GOP will nominate a moderate candidate, Jeb Bush. Case Closed.

33 posted on 11/29/2012 8:23:15 AM PST by laweeks
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To: gdani
1) The GOP will nominate a moderate candidate indistinguishable on many issues from the Democrat candidate.

1) The GOP will nominate a moderate candidate, Jeb Bush. Case Closed.

34 posted on 11/29/2012 8:23:27 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Texas Eagle
The Right still gets blamed for it.

The blame wont last long. This is NOT the first time Romney has lost but let's hope it's the last time he loses (as a "Republican")

Romney himself has too much of a history and too many videos out there that expose him as our version of an Algore/John Kerry.

35 posted on 11/29/2012 8:23:56 AM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: buffaloguy
A charismatic personality is needed for our next candidate.

You're exactly right! That's what made Ronald Reagan the powerful candidate he was.

Reagan's experience and ability as an actor allowed him to charismatically portray to the public the type of personality that nearly everyone could RELATE to and to ACCEPT.

Conservatives need a persona as a candidate that has this ability.

36 posted on 11/29/2012 8:24:19 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: ilgipper
‘zackly right.
Perry had the looks and voice but duh, where’d his brain go ?
I think everyone knew Bob Dole was going to lose. The RNC picked Dole because it was “his turn.” Ditto Romney, who had been running for six f’n years.
Newt looked and spoke well but had too many skeletons. Imagine him taking the oath and one of his “ex’s” showing up...
37 posted on 11/29/2012 8:24:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: softwarecreator
Bush Sr was the problem, Dole was the problem, McCain was the problem, and now Romney is the problem. What is that definition of insanity again?

You make my point. NONE of these men were true conservatives, and none of them articulated conservative principles. They were all for the status quo, but at a slower pace. GWB was the closest we had to a conservative candidate in a while, but he too added to the size of government.

PS: An aside, but it really ticks me off, especially since the press intentionally makes this mistake all the time:

It is not Bush, Sr. and Bush Jr. One is GHWB and the other is GWB. The press intentionally did this while not referring to Al Gore correctly as Albert Arnold Gore, Jr., son of Senator Albert Arnold Gore, Sr.

38 posted on 11/29/2012 8:25:12 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: laweeks

The democrats would WELCOME another Bush candidate. They have not stopped running against “Bush” yet.


39 posted on 11/29/2012 8:25:45 AM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: Resettozero

If the rats and the media’s main strategy was wage a war on women and they pulled it off against Romney.... Imagine what they would have done to Santorum.


40 posted on 11/29/2012 8:28:08 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Rinocrat party has not given us a decent candidate since President Reagan. Even Bush was not close to the Gipper. Not even close.


41 posted on 11/29/2012 8:29:38 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: muawiyah

I was reading the earlier post and thinking of Nelson Rockefeller as a comparison to Mitt. While I don’t remember Willkie, I’ve read enough about him to agree with you and Harry Truman.


42 posted on 11/29/2012 8:30:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Personal baggage - Everyone had personal baggage but like a propaganda carrier you zero in on only one - just like Drudge/Romney’s pawn did on Bloody Thursday. Why didn’t Romney/the coward use Drudge to expose Obama’s personal baggage?


43 posted on 11/29/2012 8:30:12 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: tsowellfan
Ubama never stops campaigning. We can't wait until the 2016 primaires to figure out who our nominee is going to be.

We need a Conservative to start campaigning right now. Otherwise, we'll be playing catch-up. Like we always do.

44 posted on 11/29/2012 8:31:00 AM PST by Texas Eagle (1)
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To: Christie at the beach

You want the blunt truth from the way that I see this. Newt had this election electrified after South Carolina. The committed stubborn social conservatives if only would have forgiven him and ask Santorum to help Newt, things would be different today. So, please don’t be angry at your fellow conservative. We had to pick from the list. Cain went down due to not defending himself on those personal attacks (which I believe were leaked by Romney people to stop him) as they stopped Newt and Rick. Newt could have won because he was getting out the base who were are pissed. Palin tried to give us out here an insight time and time again. The woman is no fool. Now, we are in hell for sure. I think God left a message and you know what it is. Romney should never had been the leader the face of the republican party due to his career in Massachusetts politics. All the other things followed and controlled by the moderates of GOP HQ- Bush regime. The moderates are the problem.


45 posted on 11/29/2012 8:31:00 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: kosciusko51
You make my point. NONE of these men were true conservatives, and none of them articulated conservative principle

That would be great if 51% of the people in this country were hard-core conservatives. But as the last 6 or 7 elections proved to us, that is not the case anymore. Starting in the late 60's our kids have been indoctrinated in communism by our public schools since kindergarten and the conservative movement gets smaller with each generation. We saw this and did nothing ... now we see the results. Let's face it, McCarthy was right.

46 posted on 11/29/2012 8:32:16 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

Yup, Romney ran a HORRIBLE campaign. I blame him completely.

Doesn’t mean there wasn’t vote fraud.


47 posted on 11/29/2012 8:34:57 AM PST by DManA
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To: Resettozero

Those huge exhuberant crowds didn’t show up to cheer Romney in October. They showed up to cheer what they hoped and prayed was the removal of the African communist from the White House.


48 posted on 11/29/2012 8:35:08 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut; Resettozero; Gilbo_3
RE :”Several of us said all along he was the problem and we were accused of being DU trolls even if we have been here for over a decade. Finally, everyone else is seeing what we saw”

That’s pretty standard stuff especially near a POTUS election: “We got to get this guy I said I hate elected or we all die”

I must admit it (including the weak attacks) didnt faze me this time.

I wouldnt say that EVERYONE gets it.
The Romney/Jim Jones crowd in the bunker still claim that all those polls showing Romney was losing were rigged, because the election itself was rigged, everything is rigged.

But if this is true than why bother voting or having an opinion on a primary candidate?, in fact why post an opinion at all?

I guess that latest poll on taxes was rigged too, man nothing is real anymore, are you three real or part of the ‘massive consiracy too?? AHHHH’

:)

49 posted on 11/29/2012 8:35:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: softwarecreator
The fact that you use a pejorative phrase like “hard core conservative” speaks volumes.
50 posted on 11/29/2012 8:36:16 AM PST by DManA
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