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Inside the talks: Fiscal framework emerges (Boehner looks hungover in picture)
Politico ^ | 29 Nov 12 | JIM VANDEHEI and MIKE ALLEN

Posted on 11/29/2012 9:25:46 AM PST by SkyPilot

Listen to top Democrats and Republicans talk on camera, and it sounds like they could not be further apart on a year-end tax-and-spending deal — a down payment on a $4 trillion grand bargain.

But behind the scenes, top officials who have been involved in the talks for many months say the contours of a deal — including the size of tax hikes and spending cuts it will most likely contain — are starting to take shape.

Cut through the fog, and here’s what to expect: Taxes will go up just shy of $1.2 trillion — the middle ground of what President Barack Obama wants and what Republicans say they could stomach. Entitlement programs, mainly Medicare, will be cut by no less than $400 billion — and perhaps a lot more, to get Republicans to swallow those tax hikes. There will be at least $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and “war savings.” And any final deal will come not by a group effort but in a private deal between two men: Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). The two men had a 30-minute phone conversation Wednesday night — but the private lines of communications remain very much open.

No doubt, there will be lots of huffing and puffing before any deal can be had. And, no doubt, Obama and Congress could easily botch any or all three of the white-knuckle moments soon to hit this town: the automatic spending cuts and expiration of the Bush tax cuts, both of which kick in at the end of this year, and the federal debt limit that hits early next.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deficit; fiscalcliff; sequestration; taxes
If you read the entire article, it seems obvious to me that he Politico reporters have written this story using "insider" information that some sort of budget deal has already been agreed to by Boehner and Obama. The "deal" will be massive tax increases via a rate increase, closing of tax breaks (called "loopholes" by a propaganda press), and "promises" of savings in another decade or two (seriously....read the full article).

Besides the tax part of the 'fiscal cliff' equation (massive tax increases) that is almost here, the sequestration cuts to DoD, hospitals, and other parts of the economy will eliminate about 1.5 million real jobs almost overnight. The economy will sink even lower than it is, and sink fast. It may sink no matter what Obama and Boehner do.

However, even though the Democrats are arrogant as hell right now, thinking that no laws of economics, gravity, morality, or God apply to them - the Debt Ceiling is going to expire even sooner than Geitner thought. With tricks and lies, DC can probably keep the smoke and mirrors show in place until mid-Feb, early March at the latest. Then.....we are back to square one. Obama will threaten Social Security recipents of not getting their direct deposit checks....just like he did last time. THEN, and only then, will millions of Americans wake up. I believe a Faustian bargain will be reached before that, but let's face facts: our entire government is more dysfunctional than a Lindsey Lohan rehab skit.

The one glaring part of this article to me is the picture of Boehner. I am sorry, but he is hung over or drunk. Period. Look at him.


1 posted on 11/29/2012 9:25:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

There are no spending cuts under this deal. Promised cuts “down the road” will never materialize and wouldn’t even skim the top off the rate of growth. The tax hikes will be immediate of course.

This is just insane.

Deny Obama his Participation Trophy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2963936/posts


2 posted on 11/29/2012 9:31:57 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Democrats want most Medicare and other entitlement savings to kick in between 10 and 20 years from now, which will make some Republicans choke. Democrats will point to the precedent set by House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) of pushing most mandatory savings off until a decade from now.

Hey, why not just put off the entitlement reform for 1,000 years? By "reform" - the Democrats will (on paper) agree to screwing more successful Americans out of Medicare for now. Forget talks of reigning in EBT, unemployment checks, welfare either. Won't happen. The "takers" of society win again.

Military veterans will get screwed though - TRICARE is going to take a huge hit.

Social security reform looks to be off the table, for now. But even if it was included in the "deal", any reform will be kicked down the road (10, 20 years), which means it is all a lie anyway.

Everyone has an opinion on the grand bargain. But only two matter: Obama’s and Boehner’s. Any deal will ultimately be hammered out between the two men, whose on-again, off-again relationship is stronger than most people realize. Bluster aside, both know they have a heavy incentive to cut a deal, and quick. Boehner knows the president isn’t bluffing on letting the Bush tax cuts lapse to get his way on raising rates on the rich. Obama knows the last thing he wants at the start of a second term is an economic funk caused by Washington dysfunction, even if Republicans get more of the blame.

Bath house Barry and the Drunk Crier. Great leadership.

3 posted on 11/29/2012 9:34:56 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: GeronL
Agreed.

From the article (which really has some incredible details given by someone with "deep backgroud" on the negotiations), it appears Paul Ryan is balking at this farce. But, Ryan is already neutered because Cantor will make the deal with or without him.

Bath house Barry does not want his January Corination marred by a budget fiasco. He wants rose petals thrown into the cold winter sky, as they raise the golden crown on his head. Moochelle and her fat Momma in Law want to race off to Hawaii, but they won't care if the economy tanks,, hundreds of thousands lost their jobs, or taxes go through the roof in early January - - just as long as the executive jet leaves Andrew Air Force Base for Hickham Air Force Base and there is plenty of free food on board.

4 posted on 11/29/2012 9:40:07 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Obama sure likes touching people. I find that behavior very creepy. I wonder if he likes touching little boys?


5 posted on 11/29/2012 9:43:55 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: SkyPilot

His right hand was shaking so bad he had to hold it down with his other hand.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 9:44:18 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: SkyPilot

Maybe POLITICO isn’t just a Dem shill machine,
maybe it’s a medical device to help conservatives with low blood pressures.

Nah, it’s just a Dem shill machine.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 9:44:28 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SkyPilot

Private deal, huh. Sounds like the same kind of rubber-stamping that Boehner rammed down the Republican Caucus’ throat in December 2011, while most of the members were away.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 9:46:40 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SkyPilot
Man-About-Town Boehner is not hard to find ... every night ... for jaded old DC denizens. He's a party boy, drinks more than the rest of the fraternity and than Dean Martin ever did, and is always beautifully tailored*.

IMNSVHO, the FBI file on this creep is enought to hold him hostage to anything ...anything ... the Marxist Mombasa MF wants.

*Quite the ladies man, too! Charmingly corrupt and oh-so-social butterfly.

9 posted on 11/29/2012 9:47:43 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: SkyPilot

"BURRRRRP!!"

10 posted on 11/29/2012 9:53:41 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SkyPilot

“(Boehner looks hungover in picture)”

He hasn’t stopped drinking yet.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 9:55:28 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I didn’t read the article, but it looks like the Kenyan is telling a lie, something that cry baby is going to do, and the cry baby is saying (hands closed) I’m stuck. I’ll do what he says.

Body language is huge.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 9:55:28 AM PST by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Mr. Boehner looks pretty bored out and over stroked for that time of day.
Sort of like the other day when the Dems were disrespecting Sen. Lindsey Graham’s sexual orientation. These clowns are true puppets of an evil master.
TWB
13 posted on 11/29/2012 9:55:50 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Are these supposed to be quotes from some article?

If so, please provide the SOURCE.


14 posted on 11/29/2012 9:56:11 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: SkyPilot
And Obama looks gay....!!

What's your point?

15 posted on 11/29/2012 9:58:18 AM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: RetSignman

I thought maybe he was holding it down so it didn’t slap the ONE, but then I remembered it was Beener’s hand. He looks like he is about to bust out laughing. Maybe BS had just called him his good friend.


16 posted on 11/29/2012 10:12:12 AM PST by toolman1401
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To: SkyPilot

That picture infuriates me. Boehner is a grinning a-hole traitor.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 10:13:37 AM PST by BinaryBoy (I'm anti-socialism because I'm anti-slavery.)
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To: SkyPilot; pookie18
OBAMA BOEHNER
18 posted on 11/29/2012 10:17:25 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: SkyPilot
You can lead a donkey to water, and make him drink!

See, Koolaid guuuuuuuuuuuud!

19 posted on 11/29/2012 10:21:55 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Cowboy Bob
The word around the bathhouse circuit is that bozo likes older white men to “touch” him...bozo “touches” no one, privately that is. In public, he IS all feely and touchy...this is just a power play on his part...HE grabs your arm, HE grabs your shoulder, HE lays it out on you any way he pleases, because HE had the POWER to do so.

The sickest, most dangerous POS in power in Washington..ever.

Resist, refuse, obstruct, like the freedom fighters in wars past. See how creative you can be. This MUST be our motto.

20 posted on 11/29/2012 10:24:14 AM PST by itssme
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To: SkyPilot

Bammy wants that participation trophy


21 posted on 11/29/2012 10:25:16 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: txrangerette
Are these supposed to be quotes from some article?

My, this is a bit embarrassing!
Why Tex, the source is moi, who ruefully admits to having bent the elbow for many a year in the nation's capital, often in the exactly the same festive venues chosen by the RINO King. N.B., dear lady, that I do not accuse Mr. Boehner of being ungentlemanly or useemly in his after-hours pursuits. He is the soul of midwestern country club charm.

That is, RINO Boehner is no slobbering Ted Kennedy. But like Ted, and my former unreformed self, he has always been in the forefront of those who enjoy ethanol and the company of attractive women.

22 posted on 11/29/2012 10:34:30 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: BarbM; TWhiteBear; SkyPilot

Ping


23 posted on 11/29/2012 10:40:15 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, whatever happened to Reggie Love?)
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To: SkyPilot

“The one glaring part of this article to me is the picture of Boehner. I am sorry, but he is hung over or drunk. Period. Look at him.”

To me, it looks like he’s been accepted into the Choom Gang and has been puffing the magic drag-on.


24 posted on 11/29/2012 10:41:06 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: itssme; Cowboy Bob
......likes older white men

Reggie has not yet been replaced. No one safe!

Got old Reggie out of town well before the campaign got hot, didn't they? Wonder who will take his place in the playroom now. Val and Axelrod working on it now.Stay stuned.

25 posted on 11/29/2012 10:45:54 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, whatever happened to Reggie Love?)
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To: itssme

26 posted on 11/29/2012 10:59:41 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: GeronL

The usual. Real tax increases now, make believe spending cuts.......someday.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 11:10:46 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

bump


28 posted on 11/29/2012 11:14:38 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SkyPilot

I vote drunk!


29 posted on 11/29/2012 11:16:32 AM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Who is the creepy guy?


30 posted on 11/29/2012 1:36:14 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

That’s Captain Windmark. He’s an observer.


31 posted on 11/29/2012 1:54:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kozak
The usual. Real tax increases now, make believe spending cuts.......someday.

The usual. Real tax increases now, make believe spending cuts reductions in the rate of spending growth.......someday.

32 posted on 11/29/2012 1:56:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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*


33 posted on 11/29/2012 2:00:22 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Lancey Howard

I had to look him up. I’ve never seen Fringe...any good?


34 posted on 11/29/2012 2:06:20 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

In my opinion Fringe is the best show on TV. Anyway, it’s my favorite show. It’s sort of a new version of ‘The X Files’. If you enjoyed ‘The X Files’ you’ll love ‘Fringe’. But you’ll have to catch up on a few years of episodes because this is already announced as the final season of ‘Fringe’.

FRegards,
LH


35 posted on 11/29/2012 2:23:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I think it’s available on Hulu. I don’t have cable tv.


36 posted on 11/29/2012 2:27:20 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Lancey Howard

I forgot to say thanks...thanks.


37 posted on 11/29/2012 2:28:07 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

It’s not really on a cable station.
It’s on the regular Fox affiliate, Friday nights.
But watching episodes on the computer sounds good. I’ve watched a few episodes on my computer before.


38 posted on 11/29/2012 2:30:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SkyPilot

obama is always slapping people on the back or putting his hand on their sholder. I wish one person would stand back and say “Don’t touch me!”


39 posted on 11/29/2012 2:33:59 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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