Skip to comments.Just Walk Away, Republicans
Posted on 11/29/2012 12:12:39 PM PST by Kaslin
RUSH: I'm having trouble coming up with a term for this. But the conventional wisdom, the groupthink, I mean, folks, I don't care where you go, and this is not a criticism. I'm actually looking at this in wonderment. I don't care where you go. It could be a left-wing blog or right-wing blog, a left-wing magazine, a right-wing magazine, a left-wing newspaper, right-wing newspaper, they're all analyzing these negotiations in the same way: Can Obama prevail over the Republicans? Do the Republicans have any leverage? Are the Republicans going to get entitlement reform? Will there be any serious tax reform? Will there be any serious spending cuts?
All of that is just bunk. It's not real. That's not what's happening. In the leverage that the Republicans have? "That's right, Mr. Limbaugh, the Republicans have leverage that they don't even know they have, because Obama doesn't want that second term recession. They need to call his bluff. They don't dare cave on this because Obama does not want to be saddled with a second term recession." I don't think he cared about the first term recession. And besides, an Obama recession is never gonna be called a recession. The people who write the history are Obama's friends. Whatever happens economically: 399,000 unemployment claims is good news, and 7.9, 8.2% unemployment, not a problem.
Would somebody explain to me how the people who elected Obama, who support Obama, who love Obama in the media, in the universities, who write the history, are going to write anything critical of the guy no matter what happens? Even if there is a second term recession, you're gonna need a telescope to find it reported, just like you need a telescope to find Oprah's network now. It won't be reported as a recession. So what is the leverage that the Republicans have? To my mind the only leverage they've got is to walk away from this, to stop playing, to stop talking, to stop playing this game.
The Republicans lost. Now, they still control the House of Representatives. Boehner still runs the show there. But the only leverage that I can see that they've got is to back out of this and make sure that whatever happens, they don't have any fingerprints on it. I know what you're saying, and you'd be right. You're saying, "But, Rush, but, Rush, no matter what the Republicans do, they're gonna get blamed for it." Yes, totally true. No matter what happens. If there is a reported recession, in fact, it will be said to be the Republicans in the House fault. No matter what happens, that's going to be said, and no matter what happens, as we sit here now, the American people, the majority of whom, are gonna believe that.
So back out of this and make sure you don't have any fingerprints on this at all. "But, Rush, but, Rush, aren't your fingerprints going to be on it if you back out? Couldn't the case be made that Republicans backing out and letting Obama have his way is, in effect, allowing this transformation to happen, can't you say there would be fingerprints there?" Yes. But I'm telling you there's another aspect to this that Obama is attempting to pull off here, and if the Republicans aren't careful, it's going to happen. Not only is he not worried about a recession in the second term, 'cause even if there is one, it will not be reported as such.
Part of Obama's transformation of America is wiping out the Republican Party. And anyone who fails to understand that that is also part of Obama's agenda at this moment, anybody who fails to understand that is really not paying attention and is too caught up in traditional conventional wisdom about, "Well, it was just another election. Well, yes, Obama won. Yes, we marshaled our forces, but we need to stand for pro-growth policies and all that rotgut." Yes, we do. There's no way we're ever gonna be tied to pro-growth policies if our fingerprints are on this coming disaster.
Folks, let me raise another point here with you, talking about how to stave this off. Let me give you some words that are never associated with current Republican leaders. And this is not personal criticism either; simply a recitation of reality as we sit here today. You will never hear these words said about or associated with any current Republican leader: clever, brilliant, masterful, feared, charismatic. All of those words are applied to the Democrats. Every one of those words is applied to Obama. There isn't room in the media narrative for any of those words to be attached to a Republican leader.
In other words, let's say we wanted to engage. Let's say we wanted to just roll up the sleeves and get in the mud with all these Democrats and really try to stop them dead in their tracks. Would somebody point to me the Republican who can do that by virtue of evidence. And again, not criticism. I don't want anybody calling anybody's office and saying I'm calling people cowards. I'm not doing that at all. I'm simply assessing the situation as it exists and if the motivation, if the objective is to strike a deal, we're finished, because it isn't going to be a deal advantageous to us.
Those cards were taken off the table on Election Day. The best thing to do is back out of this and let Obama and the Democrats have it and do what they gotta do. 'Cause that's gonna happen anyway. I don't know about you, but I don't want my fingerprints on this.
RUSH: Now, don't misunderstand me, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not coming up here with a partisan strategy that's based only on partisan concerns for the Republicans. I think if you want to call Obama's bluff -- if that's what you really believe, if there are people who think that Obama will not go where he wants to go unless he has Republican fingerprints -- then don't give him any. If you believe the Republicans truly have leverage, then use it.
And the way you use it is making sure that as far as Obama's concerned, he doesn't have any assistance in taking this country over the cliff, that that's all him. That's my only point here. And let's find out. Let's find out real fast.
Deny Obama that Participation Trophy just for showing up!!
If Thelma and Louise (Pelosi and Reid) want to go over the cliff, I say,”Let ‘em”.
The GOP does not have the guts to walk away.
I don’t get it. Big fan of Rush, but how do you back out of it at this point? Not show up? Not negotiate?
Maybe the House just passes whatever bill it thinks is best (with some entitlement and spending reform and, say, cap of $50,000 on deductions, whatever) and send it to the Senate to die (for what, the third time?).
How do we back out and get the Dem’s to own it? Nothing will pass without the House.
Now, if he’s saying go over the cliff and, as good, not pass a increase to the tax ceiling, I’m all for that. The “Let them Suffer” approach. But that will all be blamed on the GOP.
Just not sure how to do what he is recommending.
I agree. Vote present and let this fall squarely on the Messiah. Dont vote for tax increases or take a bite of the crap sandwich. Let the Dems owe this 100%
[ Can Obama prevail over the Republicans? ]
He already has.. Massive voter fraud has made elections a cartoon..
Some will not see it.. or face it.. or turn their heads from the fact..
but it has happened.. Voting died on Nov 6th.. 2012..
Might have died a few elections earlier but many cannot ignore it anymore..
Democrat voter fraud has become outrageously NORMAL..
Most “almost all” republicans are afraid to “touch it” because the solution is “OBVIOUS”..
The remedy is a bloody specter most will shy away from..
The protagonists WILL NOT give up.. melt into the woodwork.. or “moderate”..
WORSE.... the democrats KNOW IT!!!.. republicans are generally COWARDS..
What? I'm sorry, but we're already being blamed for all the spending, about time we get some credit for actual cuts.
I think the dem plan is to run out the clock, and have taxes rise, defense be cut, all the “fiscal cliff” stuff, then blame the pubbies for not “compromising”, and in a year, that will be Official Reality.
Walking away plays right into that.
The Republicans should just refuse to do anything for the next 4 years. Let Obama, Reid, and Pelosi drown in their own leftist vomit. Cut defense spending? WHY? Obama is going to EO us into bankruptcy within 24-36 months, and you heard this from me. Why help him plunder the country by agreeing to, or signing off on ANYTHING? Do we want to cosign on a 20-22 TRILLION upcoming debt? Obama is desperate to get Republicans to cosign on his NATIONAL BANKRUPTCY, so he can blame it all on Republicans!
103 posted on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:52:29 AM by stephenjohnbanker
Bring up whatever Democrat budget bills are submitted in the House or passed by the Senate. Let the House vote on them, but all Republicans simply abstain. The bills will be sent to Obama passed by Rat votes only. If he signs them, the Dems own the consequences.
” I agree. Vote present and let this fall squarely on the Messiah. Dont vote for tax increases or take a bite of the crap sandwich. Let the Dems owe this 100%”
we are Mexico....we will have the same govt in power for 50yrs....
we've got the permanent underclass who won't better themselves...we've got the permanent govt worker class, and they'll vote for their selves every single time....
don't we have any rich people that can buy ONE major tv outlet?....
do something about this oligharchy?
I think the message has to be Mr. President, present YOUR plan. Rush is isn’t saying that here, but I believe he’s mentioned it in the past week. This circus, like last year’s debt debate is a loser for our side. We can’t win the PR debate no matter the result. The President has the bully pulpit and a compliant media. With the ‘cliff’ completely baked into existing law, there is nothing we can do to win issue if all the discussion is done by senior leaders behind closed doors. We got beat last year in this same scenario (and the narrative for the reelection was born). We need to stand back and demand leadership, and have Obama put his fingerprints on the cuts. He is letting us present all the unpopular solutions, and then the media/Dems will pin them on our party.
I've just about given up.....
It would be interesting to see how the Dems would spin that: “The economy collapsed because the evil Republicans allowed the Democrat plan to be passed”
Anyway, I think this is the only real strategy to take. Tax hikes can always be reversed at some point later. But right now, the Republicans aren’t even a speed bump, and have zero political capital. The only realistic hope is that the Democrats take the full blame when the economy goes down (which it will, the only questions are a) when, and b) who is blamed). Put whatever the democrats propose up to a vote, and abstain.
So, the fiscal cliff is whether to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire or modify them. What happens if they expire? Taxes go up on everyone. They even go up on the poor. They just won’t get as big a refund check. Do you think they won’t notice that? They will. Income tax refund checks are a huge item to lower income people. It’s like a rich uncle leaving them money. And they get it every year. You don’t have to raise taxes on lower income people. They don’t actually pay income tax anyway. Just reduce, or threaten to reduce, that refund. Tie that in to this fight. They might not be thinking of their refunds now, but I guarantee you that they’ll compare it to last year’s refund.
Nah, the strategy is to Wedge the issues. Go 1/2 the way to Dems proposals, then make them unpalatable by adding wedging amendments that alienate the DEMS constuencies.
Cut foreign aide to all buy our best and truest friends.
Pass bills forbidding government funding of organizations that also participate in campaign donations by any means.
Bills that require voter ID to contrast the de-facto amnesty program.
Pass bills that add 10% tax to lump sum earned income such as Hollywood paychecks, Lawyer’s wins on huge settlements. Tax Union benefits.
There are many ways to combat the DEMS, the GOP just isn’t up to it, they’ve either given up or are in on the deal.
but just who those pubs will be is questionable....West would do it...Mia love would have...
For once, just play golf, Boehner! All of you guys, hit the links and play your boring game and just stay out of DC until after the Inaug.
Pelosi never had a problem asserting every bit of her authority. Reid never had a problem asserting every bit of his authority. Obama never had a problem asserting every bit of their authority.
But the republicans? they're afraid they might make somebody angry if they speak up.
What did we send them to Washington for? To get along? What did they swear to protect and defend? Camaraderie?
I say their is a coup going on right before our eyes. Czars, selective enforcement of laws, Major lies to the congress and the American people, corruption, malfeasance, and election fraud.
The House has authority over the purse stings. Use it.
” Massive voter fraud has made elections a cartoon..”
I’m with you. Did you see this?
[ Fraud’ster Troll’er ]
True I am... any that denys “the” election fraud is a tool...
Are you a tool.. of what?.. of whom?...
Fraud not everywhere but in many places.. maybe most places..
Places;... federal places, state places and local places..
Denying the obvious fraud is fairly close to treason.. at least sedition.. maybe espionage..
Course much of the fraud is not uncovered yet...
Some is obvious some other of it isn’t obvious..
Not only in major elections but in “primarys”..
MSM is involved and Unions as well..
Voter fraud has become NORMAL.. so normal that it is expected.. and “sniffed at”..
In many places I.D. is not required and is discouraged..
Making multiple votes very easy even the dead easily vote..
Obama minions over played their hand in this voter fraud..
Its obvious now.. to any but the “ANTI-Fraud’ster Troll’ers”...
Who are either democrat operatives -OR- cowardly republicans..
Top Republicans have no spine. They don’t want to fight, even when a fight is warranted.
They’re content to let Rush fight for them.
This “walk away” speech by Rush may be his way of telling them “I’m not fighting for you any more.”
I don’t know what else makes sense. “Walking away” certainly doesn’t.
Rush is right as usual!!! Just let him go!!!!
Yes, that’s it exactly. I wrote something similar to this the day after the election and posted it on Facebook. We have to drop out. A strategic retreat. Let them pass laws allowing marriage between humans and insects, let them pass laws against drinking coffee, let them make it illegal to wear blue socks on Tuesdays -
Don’t even show up in congress or the senate, don’t talk, don’t argue - just drop out and ignore them, and do whatever you want.
Oh, and nobody, nobody, pay taxes. They cannot arrest 56 million people.
The problem with your approach is two-fold. First, nothing the Republicans propose will end up as actual law, so things like voter ID will just cause gridlock — no Dem would vote for any such rider. Our ability to affect positive change is non-existent.
Second, and more importantly, the private sector economy is crumbling, no matter what we do. Look at the latest GDP — all inventory building and government spending. Private sector growth is nowhere to be found. And there is so much on the horizon that there won’t be any real recovery, while a major collapse is a very real possibility. Whether it simply crawls along, or collapses, the economies’ woes are going to be pinned squarely on the Republicans. That is just reality. The spin — repeated through the MSM, pop culture, universities, and elsewhere — will be that the Republicans caused this mess because they only care about their rich friends. And if this recent election doesn’t convince you that a majority of voters will buy into that myth, then I don’t know what will.
The Dems have no problem with either an economic collapse or continued private sector stagnation. Either gives them a perfect excuse to push forward their left-wing agenda. And they know that in a pathetic excuse to be relevant, the Republicans will take all of the blame. Sometimes, the only way to win is to not play the game. And position yourself so that that you can win the war, even if it means ceding some of the battles.
I’m waiting to see the reaction of liberals who spent the last 12 years talking about the “Bush tax cuts for the rich”, after they see their bill when those cuts actually expire.
Kind of disingenuous when the particulars of the fiscal cliff were agreed to by BOTH parties. Republicans cannot absolve themselves of the implementation of their agreement by saying “I have nothing to do with this”, as their fingerprints are all over this mess. Let them implement, and when March rolls around, no budget, no CR.
And have no doubt this has been happening previously and in this election.. proof may be impossible to get.. except for truth tellers ratting out the malefactors..
I sure hope this guy recorded his conversations..
he might commit suicide with two bullets to the back of his head..
Put up a bill that repeals all the Bush Tax Cuts. Have all the Republicans vote against it.
Put up a bill that makes all the Bush Tax Cuts Permanent. Have all the Republicans vote fore it.
Put up a bill that repeals the Bush Tax Cuts on the top 50% of taxpayers. Have all the Republicans abstain.
Put up a bill that repeals the Bush Tax Cuts on the top 25% of taxpayers. Have all the Republican abstain.
Keep going until a bill passes that is the maximum tax increase the Democrats pass by a majority of DEMOCRATS.
Then, any and all Tax Increases are Democrats’ fault.
The Republican Party can’t survive this, but conservative congressmen and senators can. Libs have destroyed the GOP and it’s not coming back.
Not if they vote present. How much more compromising can you be than to simply get out of their way?
Rush must have been reading my posts.
Rush must have been reading my posts.
Uncle Miltie you are on to something. I have also wondered how unified the democrats are themselves on raising taxes and looking down the fiscal cliff?
On the first day of the Marxist’s 2nd term, he will be a lame duck. He already is. Senators will be scrambling and cat fighting each other for the 2016 presidential mantle.
He and Reid will not be getting all their ducks in a row. I think that is why Reid is tampering with the filibuster rules. He doesn’t trust his own fellow senators.
Romney didn’t lose because of fraud. Romney ran a great campaign and I think he did everything right vs. a really piss poor incumbant. Could he have done better? Perhaps more aggressive with with aggression comes risk.
I think Romney’s problem was he was Morman.
No fraud, not even close.
[ Romney didnt lose because of fraud. ]
Not entirely from fraud.. but mostly from fraud..
Fraud in a hundred ways... Obama is in fact a fraud..
Voting fraud is only one vector.. aided by lieing and minions of every stripe..
The entire democrat party is a fraud.. Obama is just one of the players..
Democracy is a fraud.. no democracy has ever been democratic.. it is a lie..
Democracy was, is, and will remain a lie.. it is Mob Rule by mobsters..
To say the democrats OVERLOOKED voter fraud is a stretch..
Democrats have been performing voter fraud for many decades.. its not NEW..
This election voter fraud reached massive proportions.. in some localities..
Thats not say Romney himself is not a fraud.. they don’t call him MYTH for nothing..
He is a liberal and not conservative at all.. that is a MYTH..
I am all for jumping off the cliff. At least that way we all share the pain. These free loading masses get a $2200 tax increase. That is wonderful. And cuts to military are fine. Shut down 50 over seas bases. I could care less. and at least we reduce entitlements. The answer is jump of the cliff!!
Wouldn’t the vote require a majority of the House to pass?
majority of a quorum.
Let me amend my earlier reply. It is a majority of those voting if a quorum is present, so it doesn’t even require a majority of a quorum.