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Forbes Releases List Of 11 "Death Spiral" States
Real Clear Politics ^

Posted on 11/29/2012 4:41:58 PM PST by TigerClaws

FOX News: A writer at Forbes Magazine has identified a phenomenon called the “death spiral states.” The category includes 11 states where private sector workers are outnumbered by people who are dependent on the government. That number would include state workers, and people who are receiving welfare or pension. For example, in California the ratio of “takers versus makers” is bigger than one. If you own a software company that employs 100 people, you’re supporting 139 other people in the state who are on the “takers” list.

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1 posted on 11/29/2012 4:42:02 PM PST by TigerClaws
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2 posted on 11/29/2012 4:51:18 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: TigerClaws

The States are
AL
CA
HI
IL
KY
ME
MS
NM
NY
OH
SC


3 posted on 11/29/2012 4:52:19 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: TigerClaws

Did all 11 states strongly support Obama on Nov 6, or just most of them?


4 posted on 11/29/2012 4:52:28 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: TigerClaws

I have a Conservative friend who left California a couple of years ago and moved to New Mexico to get away from the state. Well it appears from a death spiral stand point New Mexico is at 153/100 which is worse than California which is 139/100.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 4:58:38 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: ClearCase_guy

It looks like ll but KY, SC, MS and AL (quick check) are obozo states.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 5:00:30 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Did all 11 states strongly support Obama on Nov 6, or just most of them?

Only 6 of the 11...4 of them being among the nation's most heavily populated states.

7 posted on 11/29/2012 5:00:37 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Theoria

If I had to guess, I think military personnel stationed in the states are getting counted as takers.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 5:03:02 PM PST by Hardslab
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To: Gay State Conservative

Hmm — double check me?

AL - R
CA - o
HI - o
IL - o
KY - R
ME - o
MS - R
NM - o
NY - o
OH - o
SC - R


9 posted on 11/29/2012 5:04:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They’re not all Democrat states, the Southern states aren’t. Forbes’ focus was on states for which it would be dangerous to buy or hold municipal or state bonds, so it’s purely a set of fiscal criteria (as I read it).


10 posted on 11/29/2012 5:04:57 PM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: TigerClaws

Amazing that Michigan is not number 1.

What I’ve seen and heard it looks like a war zone.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 5:05:50 PM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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Donate here!

It’s nearly Turkey destruction time ,again.
Let’s give Jim an early CHRISTmas and finish this thing! Eh?

12 posted on 11/29/2012 5:14:59 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: moose07
BTTT!

13 posted on 11/29/2012 5:19:45 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Hang'emAll
Michigan has a balanced budget amendment which mitigates the worst effects. It looks like a war zone because expenditures on infrastructure have been cut way back.

CC

14 posted on 11/29/2012 5:20:28 PM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: freedumb2003
"It looks like ll but KY, SC, MS and AL (quick check) are obozo states."

Alabama is solidly Republican/conservative...the last Democrat in elected state office was defeated in the 11-6-2012 election. The entire state government and the Supreme Court are held by Republicans.

Redstone Arsenal, Rocket City (Huntsville), is probably receiving serious federal money.

We have a Black population of 25% that 'draws in' a lot of federal money too.

15 posted on 11/29/2012 5:22:24 PM PST by blam
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To: TigerClaws

Who knows who voted for what?.....


16 posted on 11/29/2012 5:29:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: freedumb2003

Missed Hawaii


17 posted on 11/29/2012 5:45:41 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: TigerClaws

I’m surprised that Pennsylvania is not on this list.

Seems like I’m the only one at the supermarket paying cash for my items, while all others use the EBT card.


18 posted on 11/29/2012 5:47:10 PM PST by miserare
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To: TigerClaws

Forbes really likes Colorado, doesn’t he. ;-)


19 posted on 11/29/2012 6:01:15 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: freedumb2003
It looks like ll but KY, SC, MS and AL (quick check) are obozo states

SC certainly isn't an obama state. We never even saw a presidential ad here because it was already given to the R column.

20 posted on 11/29/2012 6:11:46 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: SandRat

New Mexico is full of watermelons (green on the outside and red on the inside) and they have wrecked the State. Sad.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 6:12:22 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: blam
Redstone Arsenal, Rocket City (Huntsville), is probably receiving serious federal money.

Also, Fort Rucker and the AF base in Montgomery supports a huge retired population, and don't forget the very large retired population living in the vicinity of now-defunct Fort McClellan at Anniston.

In fact, I'd say that the so-called "entitled" population of Alabama is hugely comprised of retired military personnel, all of which usually vote a conservative ticket.

So...I'm not convinced that labeling Alabama as a death spiral state,when compared to, say Ohio, is valid.

22 posted on 11/29/2012 7:21:28 PM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: OldSmaj

Just because a state did not vote for Obama does not mean it is being run well. Look at the criteria to make the list - unfunded liabilities are the top concern. There are about as many Republicans as Democrats who are willing to give away taxpayer money to government employees, I’m afraid. Politicians spend. It’s what people elect them to do.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 7:57:00 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: TigerClaws

No way in Hell NJ doesn’t belong on that list; we have a lot of takers, and are bleeding jobs and taxpayers like crazy. It was bad enough for people to elect Christie as governor (and I’m glad they did), but that was only because many of our takers can’t vote (illegals and/or felons). Our government workforce is bloated (even after layoffs of thousands due to our property tax cap), and the costs of our retirees are strangling us.

I think people will be investing in those southern states on the list long before they invest in NJ...


24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:07:55 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: OldSmaj
"In fact, I'd say that the so-called "entitled" population of Alabama is hugely comprised of retired military personnel, all of which usually vote a conservative ticket."

"So...I'm not convinced that labeling Alabama as a death spiral state,when compared to, say Ohio, is valid. "

I remember during the Iraqi war hearing on the radio that the State of Alabama had more people in the war than any other state except Texas.

The population of Alabama is less than metropolitan Houston. So...that seems reasonable.

25 posted on 11/29/2012 8:14:11 PM PST by blam
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To: TigerClaws
Alabama has become kind of a retirement state. A lot of snow birders came, and just stayed. It has a low cost of living, and that's good for retired people. The largest employer in the state is UAB The University of Alabama in Birmingham. Medical and research. Which is Government workers. Also Red Stone Arsenal, and NASA are government. A very high rate of veterans and reserve personnel. Four major military bases. Other then UAB, the state of Alabama isn't really doing a whole lot to expand it's government employee base. They have in the last decade been working to bring in plenty of private industry.
26 posted on 11/29/2012 8:45:54 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: freedumb2003

I don’t see Mississippi on there — only Maine.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 9:00:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hang'emAll
Amazing that Michigan is not number 1. What I’ve seen and heard it looks like a war zone.

Just the demoncrap pustules known as Detroit and Flint, which are run by low-life suckup Obama wannabes.

The rest of Michigan is pretty nice.

28 posted on 11/30/2012 1:25:58 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: TigerClaws

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29 posted on 11/30/2012 1:44:44 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Slyfox

Look at the election county map for Michigan. Detroit is war zone rat handout central. Rest of that state is all red.

Really except for the major cities (New York, Detroit, Chicago, Philly, Cleveland, etc.) with black populations the rest of the UNITED STATES is red. We have 10 cities controlling the entire country now via paid for voters and scamming.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 4:15:44 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Excellence

srbfl


31 posted on 11/30/2012 10:42:40 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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