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1 posted on 11/30/2012 6:01:42 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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Exactly. We don’t know what really happened, what was being covered up or why. What we do know in each case the unmistakable footprints of a government coverup were there for all to see.

2 posted on 11/30/2012 6:08:21 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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Theoretically, the whole TWA800 issue has been put into the "crackpot theory" file. I don't buy that. I spoke with pilots and air traffic controllers who said that it was definitely a missle that took the plane down. Who knows? But what strikes me as very telling is that it so quickly became "verboten" to entertain the notion that anything but a spark in the center fuel tank could have possibly been the cause.

I see Benghazi going the same way. It's "settled science" as they say, so shut up already.

3 posted on 11/30/2012 6:09:06 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Throughout history it’s been rare when our government hasn’t lied to us. It’s just the way it is.

4 posted on 11/30/2012 6:11:42 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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Bubba;s re election narrative was “peace and prosperity”, but telling the inconvenient truth would have required fear and expensive fighting. Bubba and hitlery preferred, “We;re rich and everyone loves us”.

And so they ORDERED that investigational result.

WHY did the twin tower bombers attack TWO buildings? I mean just ONE was huglely spectacular, right...? Simply “cuz they were mean”...?

Ruminate on that answer verrry hard, because the attackers hadobserved there was a vital NEED to attack TWO seperately and not just one.

5 posted on 11/30/2012 6:28:49 AM PST by gaijin
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One central figure appeared in each drama: Hillary Clinton. She stood by Obama's side in the Rose Garden on September 12 as he spun reality into confection.

For supposedly being a paragon of what a woman can become, she spends a lot of time "standing beside her 'men'" even as they shamelessly use women to their advantage...

6 posted on 11/30/2012 6:34:58 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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Food for thought.

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.

Benghazi Index

8 posted on 11/30/2012 6:37:08 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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Warnings Before 1995 Oklahoma Bombing
Thu Jun 20, 5:12 AM ET

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Just weeks before Timothy McVeigh ( news - web sites) bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement received several warnings that Islamic terrorists were seeking to strike on American soil and that a likely target was government buildings, documents show.


The information, though it was never linked to McVeigh, was stark enough that the Clinton administration urged stepped up security patrols and screening at federal buildings nationwide, including those in Oklahoma.

The government, however, didn't fortify buildings with cement barriers like those hurriedly installed after McVeigh detonated his explosive-laden truck at the curb of the Murrah building on April 19, 1995, officials said.

Islamic extremists are determined to "strike inside the U.S. against objects symbolizing the American government in the near future," said one warning obtained by The Associated Press.

The intelligence that prompted the warnings was gathered across the globe from Iran and Syria to the Philippines and became more specific as to the potential type attack (suicide bombing), target (government building) and likely date (after the third week in March 1995), the documents show.

The U.S. Marshal's Service issued an alert on March 15, 1995, to federal courthouses it protects, including the one in Oklahoma City across the street from where McVeigh's truck bomb killed 168 people, the documents show.

"Iranian extremists want it made clear that steps are being taken to strike at the Great Satan," a term used frequently in the Mideast to describe the United States, the marshal's memo said. It said a fatwa — a religious order — had been issued to attack marshals or their buildings.

"There is sufficient threat potential to request that a heightened level of security awareness and caution be implemented," the memo added.

Separately, the General Services Administration received a warning from the FBI ( news - web sites) and asked hundreds of federal buildings it operates to increase security details, including the Murrah building, officials said.

"We were told there was a fatwa threatening to target federal buildings," GSA spokeswoman Viki Reath said this week. "We increased our patrols to 12-hour shifts."

More than two dozen current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials interviewed by AP said the period of spring 1995 was a time of heightened "chatter" among terrorists seeking to strike the United States.

But the officials cautioned the FBI and CIA ( news - web sites) exhaustively investigated whether McVeigh could have been aided by Mideast terrorist and found no credible evidence linking him to any Islamic extremists, including those who prompted the 1995 warnings.

The information about 1995 emerges as a joint House-Senate panel examining the intelligence and law enforcement failures that preceded Sept. 11 has expanded its mission to look back at the late 1980s and 1990s.

John Gannon, former deputy CIA director for intelligence under President Clinton ( news - web sites), said spring 1995 was one of a handful of periods in the 1990s when intelligence on terror threats peaked as the government increasingly turned its attention to Osama bin Laden ( news - web sites) and his emerging terrorist network.

Gannon said the 1995 warnings were plentiful enough that he initially assumed Islamic extremists had struck when the bomb exploded in Oklahoma City. Law enforcement too issued initial bulletins looking for Arab suspects and borrowed Arabic translators from the military.

"When I first heard about the Oklahoma bombing, the first reaction I had was I wonder if this were a foreign group that had done this or the Islamic extremists that had come up on our screen," Gannon said.

He said it was in 1998, after bin Laden issued a fatwa urging specific attacks on America and two U.S. embassies in Africa were bombed, that U.S. anti-terrorism efforts escalated markedly.

"If there was a watershed year, it was 1998. That significantly elevated our concern and resulted in a concerted effort, and a very strong program to go get Osama bin Laden," he said.

The 1995 intelligence was specific enough that "if that was today, you'd have (Bush Homeland Security Director) Tom Ridge going out and saying we have this threat," said former Rep. Bill McCollum, R-Fla., who in 1995 was a member of the House Intelligence Committee.

McCollum formed a congressional task force in the late 1980s that began warning of the growing threat of terrorism, and which issued some of the 1995 alerts.

"For a good number of years, there was a failure to acknowledge the severity of the threat," he said. "There really had been this disbelief or unwillingness to scare people."

Former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart said "protecting America against terrorists was a high priority" during the 1990s. "Threat information regularly came in and steps were taken to deal with it," he said.

"In general, the record is very clear that the Clinton administration increased counterterrorism funding and focus more than any other prior administration based on the emerging threats," Lockhart added.

Some of the 1995 warnings were pointed.

"Iranian sources confirmed Tehran's desire and determination to strike inside the U.S. against objects symbolizing the American government in the near future," said a Feb. 27, 1995, terror warning by the House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.

The warnings became increasingly specific as to the possible location, type of attack and likely dates.

"These strikes are most likely to occur either in the immediate future or in the new Iranian year — starting 21 March 1995," the congressional task force predicted.

U.S. intelligence monitored a series of meetings and conferences between senior officials of Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and other terror organizations in mid-February 1995 in which the subject of killing Americans on U.S. soil came up, officials said.

During these conferences, known terrorists made specific mention of Congress and the White House as "institutions that are great enemies of the Islamist movement," according to a congressional warning.

"This is a deviation from past discussions beyond referring to the U.S. as a single entity to pointing to specific branches of government as their true enemies," it added.

Around the same time, the FBI received intelligence from the Philippines that two men later convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing had been arrested as they were plotting to blow up U.S. airliners. The men planned to hijack one airliner and crash it into the CIA, Pentagon ( news - web sites) or White House, documents show.

The marshal's warning explained that Islamic extremists had issued a fatwa to kill marshals personnel or strike their buildings because of an episode at the end of the World Trade Center bombing trial in which deputy marshals accidentally stepped on a copy of the Koran during a scuffle.

"Allegedly, the fatwa is being disseminated to persons in the United States who have the capability to carry it out," the memo said.

The terrorists could be suicide bombers who may "target as many victims as possible and draw as much media coverage as possible," it added. "Once the press is on the scene the new plans call for blowing up everyone."

9 posted on 11/30/2012 6:38:19 AM PST by Homer1
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Thanks for the post.

I have great respect for Jack Cashill.

BUT, it do not think this was a on the fly spin by the Dems. I think they intended to use the excuse of the movie as a way to suppress Freedom Of Speech granted in the 1st Amendment by this event.

They had already planned to use this.

There are “some” who think that Obozo planned to allow Amb. Stevens to be “captured” and exchanged for the Blind Sheik.

Not sure I agree with them, but it is clear the movie was being used as an excuse to silence 1st Amendment speech in the US.

The producer of the movie was arrested. Is he still in prison? Has he actually been charged with anything? There is a Fatwa against him. Think I read he was sentenced to death in absence in some ME country.

13 posted on 11/30/2012 7:05:14 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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He makes a very good point, which is that Clinton got away with declaring the other terrorist attacks to be non-events because it was in the pre-You Tube, pre-FB, pre-Twitter age when witnesses can report immediately on things they see in a form that leaves a permanent record. (Of course, the government is getting pretty good at erasing these records, but that’s another story...)

Interesting to see the names that cropped up in the FLight 800 cover up: Bill, Hillary...and Sandy Berger. It’s very possible that this was the information he was trying to sanitize once and for all when he stole the records (which contained Bill’s marginal notes) from the National Archives.

16 posted on 11/30/2012 7:15:39 AM PST by livius
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If I remember right, the second guy in the OKC bombing was supposed to have met with some Moslems in the Phillipines. Flight 800 was a coverup. Benghazi is being covered-up. All for our own we won’t panic. If you panic, you might not vote Democrat. Let’s take a worst case approach to Benghazi. Al Qaeda took a weapon from the Libyan arsenal that could kill a lot of Americans. So what? We’ve somehow managed to live under the threat of Russian (and thanks to Clinton, Chinese) nuclear weapons. I didn’t see everyone run screaming out of Chicago. Tell the truth. We’re Americans. We deserve to know. The people in the big cities don’t pay attention anyway or they wouldn’t vote Democrat.

23 posted on 11/30/2012 8:45:34 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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One central figure appeared in each drama: Hillary Clinton. She stood by Obama's side in the Rose Garden on September 12 as he spun reality into confection. She, Bill, and Sandy Berger holed themselves up in the White House family quarters, assessing their narrative options throughout that long night of July 17, 1996.

I'd bet dollars to doughnut holes that the national archive documents Sandy stuffed down his britches were about TWA Flight 800.

26 posted on 11/30/2012 9:26:36 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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I am not so sure that we don’t know what happened and what was going on. follow along with me here.

Back in June, Morsi extracted a promise from Obama to release all Islamic prisoners. Then Mohammed al Zawahiri gave a CNN interview that was shown in Canada on 9/11, but withheld in the US. In that interview, Zawahiri offered what he called a peace plan, but was really just the list of demands that Osama Bin Laden issued before the 9/11/01 attacks.

His six-page proposal offers a 10-year truce if the following terms are met. In brief they are:
• U.S. and West to stop intervening in Muslim lands
• U.S. to stop interfering in Muslim education
• U.S. to end the war on Islam
• U.S. to release all Islamist prisoners.

In the interview, al Zawahiri also stated that contrary to what Obama has been saying, Al Qaeda was diminished, but not gone.

In Egypt the 9/11 protesters were chanting that they were all Osamas now, Obama, not mentioning anything about a You Tube video.

Then in Benghazi, Al Qaeda sent another message to Obama, a stronger message, that if he didn’t carry through with his promise, Al Qaeda would renew the jihad against the West.

I think that the Obama administration knew that the protests and the attack was coming and came up with the video narrative ahead of time. I don’t think that Obama thought that Al Qaeda would actually kill anyone.

While we are all focused on the budget show down, Obama is taking steps to capitulate to the demands of Morsi and al Zawahiri, actually to the demands of Osama Bin Laden. First by closing Gitmo and second by declaring an end to the war on terror, and making peace with Al Qaeda. There’s an article in the WSJ, entitled, The Pentagon’s Lawyers looks to end Terror. They don’t mean actually ending terror, just the war on terror.

31 posted on 11/30/2012 11:10:49 AM PST by Eva
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I knew it was shot down cause that lyin’ rapist said it wasn’t. My older brother didn’t come around until he talked to a Fed diver who said it was. My other brother who is also a cop said he was at work when a teletype or fax came in That said to be on the lookout for a stolen boat that a missile was shot from.
Now here is the kicker, Flight 800 took the spot that Israel air was suppose to have. They had to let air france go ahead of them because of mechanical problems.

But the crooked penis traitor, just like bath house barry hates America.

36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:09:41 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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