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Ted Cruz speech stokes 2016 speculation
Politico ^ | 11/29/12 11:30 PM EST | DAVID CATANESE

Posted on 11/30/2012 6:40:52 AM PST by LoneStarGI

Texas Sen.-elect Ted Cruz advised the Republican Party to rebrand itself under a banner of “Opportunity Conservatism” during a sweeping speech Thursday night that will only stoke speculation about a 2016 presidential run.

Speaking before the conservative American Principles Project dinner at a downtown Washington hotel, Cruz said the GOP’s thumping in the 2012 elections was more the result of poor messaging and communication than the wrong ideology.

“Why did we lose? It wasn’t as the media would tell you: because the American people embraced big government, Barack Obama’s spending and debt and taxes. … That wasn’t what happened. I’m going to suggest to you a very simple reason why we lost the election: We didn’t win the argument,” Cruz said before pointedly lowering his voice. “We didn’t even make the argument.”

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To: WalterSkinner

I agree with you - it’s going to be Rubio...and I suggest it will be Portman for VP...
Cruz is too fresh but very capable and has argued in front of the Supremes defending conservative values...
I do believe that Rubio is not eligible under the constitution but that arguement isn’t that relevant anymore since the destruction of that constitutional clause... and quite frankly, though I should, I just can’t care about that anymore after Obama’s fraud !!!


21 posted on 11/30/2012 7:48:31 AM PST by Froggie
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To: bigbob

It also seems particularly important that the experience is executive, such as a governorship, rather than congressional or senatorial.

Either way, he needs a lot more ‘show me wax the car, show me paint the fence’ time.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 7:50:47 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: livius

“I hope people like Cruz can just shove the old guard aside and get out there with the message.”

Given how the Geriatric Old Plotters were able to invert the gains of 2010 into the failure of 2012, I wouldn’t bet the farm on this happening.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:22 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: bigbob

“pols who’ve never even won statewide election don’t get elected President”

US Senator, won statewide.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:42 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: WalterSkinner

I (strongly) disagree:

Go to the store and take a look at any label. It will say “Made in China”.

Every one of those items was once, made in America.

What we have done is drive manufacturing out of America, in the process creating DEMOCRATS.

We must bring back jobs to America.

That will create more Republicans.

The thing is, this must happen immediately.

There is no more time to delay.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:57 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LoneStarGI

Another Senator?

One who hasn’t even taken his seat yet!!!!!

The election of Obama lowered the bar to ground level.

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Cruz, get a decade of experience — some of which should be executive, not all legislative.

Senators are professional bloviators. We already have one of those in the WH.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 7:53:33 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: LoneStarGI

Cruz was born in Canada. He can’t run for pres.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 7:53:42 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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28 posted on 11/30/2012 7:55:00 AM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Perdogg

Sorry, Cruz’s Mom and Dad were Cuban exiles and naturalized after he was born in USA.

Unless we conservatives are willing to follow the dems lead and disregard the Constitution, Ted is not NBC. Cruz has been doing Constitutional speeches since high school, he loves the Constitution and would probably be the last to not honor it by trying to skirt the NBC clause.

As a staunch Conservative Texan I supported Cruz against the odds and against the Texas GOPe, because he is the most truly conservative America loving politician (well maybe my Congressman Louie Gohmert, too) to come along in a long time.

Cruz will be a leader! But not POTUS, maybe President of Republic of Texas!!!


29 posted on 11/30/2012 8:02:14 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: ilgipper

Yes, I think advance preparation is the key. We shouldn’t forget that Romney had been running, with his own money, basically since leaving his governorship, so he had had years to build up influence with the party leaders. That was an unusual situation, but the principle is valid for anybody: start now, state your case, build alliances, build a track record, and have your organization in place.

I don’t think everybody has to agree on one candidate yet, but we should have a few viable possibilities and we should really focus only on those who are actually willing to declare that they are in the running. I other words, not just people who we like, hoping that somehow, someday they’ll take the plunge and become candidates; they have to be ready to take the heat starting now.

And we’ve got to stop reducing our response to candidates that we don’t like to idiotic name-calling and insults. Aside from creating a bitter, ugly environment, it does nothing to help us get a good candidate or one who’s willing to develop his ideas in response to legitimate criticism.

Also...no more open primaries. Those laws have got to be changed now.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 8:03:08 AM PST by livius
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To: WalterSkinner
..I think Ted Cruz will find out that the GOP establishment has already found their Latino for 2016--Marco Rubio

CORRECTED: ..I think Ted Cruz will find out that the GOP establishment has already found their Latino for 2016--Marco Rubio Jeb Bush because of his Mexican wife.

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Last week, the only name in circulation as the 'best possible' for 2016 was Jeb Bush. That shows how out of touch the GOPe are.

About 54% of the voters still blame brother George for the bad economy.

It boils down to whether the GOP want another also-ran loser or whether they want to actually win the WH. I doubt Jeb would make it through the primaries, without some serious GOPe finagling. I doubt he would win the general, regardless of the Dem nominee.

The GOPe doesn't seem to realize that the Bush name is TOXIC in national politics.
31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Nope, he is a US citizen born to US parents, and didnt need to be be naturalized.
If you aren’t an alien, and US law does not require you to become naturalized to be a citizen (like Cruz), then you are NBC.

There are two levels of citizenship discussed in the Constitution. You must be a citizen to be in Congress or Senate. (meaning naturalized is ok, this is beyond dispute today that a naturalized citizen can run for congress)
The other is that you must be a natural born citizen to be president or VP.
So unless there is another type of citizenship somewhere that i cannot find, other “citizens” are natural born. Also, the Constitution does not define this term “natural born”.
The process for deciding who needs to be naturalized, and who gains citizenship upon birth was left entirely to congressional legislation.

Here’s the current law that decides it,
“Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.”

The way i read this, is that if Obama was born in a grass hut, he would be a natural born citizen as long as Satnley Ann Dunham was his real mom.
According to this law, Ted Cruz is fully eligible.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 8:06:10 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: LoneStarGI

” - - - “We didn’t even make the argument.” - - - “

BULLSEYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The RINO Election Campaign motto might as well be: “LOSE AT ALL COSTS !”


33 posted on 11/30/2012 8:07:14 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ilgipper

Order of business #1? CLOSE the primaries!


34 posted on 11/30/2012 8:07:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: X-spurt; Perdogg; Road Glide

My mistake, Road Glide is right, Cruz was born in Canada while his parents were on their way to the USA.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 8:08:16 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: TomGuy
Jeb Bush because of his Mexican wife

..I think you have a point. This solves a lot of potential citizenship status problems for the establishment. Also I think the stories about George P. are trial balloons to see if the public will swallow continuing with the dynasty

36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:11:53 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: LoneStarGI
“Opportunity Conservatism” NO! Remember the last time we put a word in front of "conservatism" to qualify for more voters? COMPASSIONATE ring a bell? And what did that get us? Karl Rove and GW Bush. No thanks. Conservatism has always been about creating opportunities for everyone. We don't need to qualify it as if it's something we are going to do differently. I say we nip this in the bud now and never speak of it again.
37 posted on 11/30/2012 8:12:00 AM PST by LiberConservative
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To: X-spurt

“...he was born in USA.”

He was born in CANADA!!!!

“Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business. His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.”

Read in in Google.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 8:14:11 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: DesertRhino

Hate it having to admit being wrong.
This on Ted in Wiki:
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business.[8][9] His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent

This NBC thing is so conveluted, maybe Cruz is NBC.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 8:17:12 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: bigbob
then we’ll be sitting here 3 1/2 years from now bitching about Republican nominee Jeb Bush

The splintering for 2016 has already started.

Interested [some semi-] conservatives: Rubio, Christie, DeMint, Paul, Cruz, Santorum, and about 12 other Senators and Governors.

GOPe probable preferred: Jeb Bush, after all, it is his turn, isn't it?

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As with 2008 and 2012, the conservatives will splinter the vote and the hangers-on will manage to give the nomination, again, to the GOPe selectee.

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If the conservatives have NOT coalesced around ONE candidate by SuperTuesday, they will hand the nomination to the GOPe selectee.

After the vicious attacks and bans and name-calling and bullying on FR this past primary season, I doubt conservatives could coalesce around any single candidate.

Look at the 'quality' that was offered up this spring:
a talkshow host,
a 'flakey' House member,
a governor who forgot his political positions,
a deposed former Senator,
a deposed former Speaker of the House.
40 posted on 11/30/2012 8:18:12 AM PST by TomGuy
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