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Ted Cruz speech stokes 2016 speculation
Politico ^ | 11/29/12 11:30 PM EST | DAVID CATANESE

Posted on 11/30/2012 6:40:52 AM PST by LoneStarGI

Texas Sen.-elect Ted Cruz advised the Republican Party to rebrand itself under a banner of “Opportunity Conservatism” during a sweeping speech Thursday night that will only stoke speculation about a 2016 presidential run.

Speaking before the conservative American Principles Project dinner at a downtown Washington hotel, Cruz said the GOP’s thumping in the 2012 elections was more the result of poor messaging and communication than the wrong ideology.

“Why did we lose? It wasn’t as the media would tell you: because the American people embraced big government, Barack Obama’s spending and debt and taxes. … That wasn’t what happened. I’m going to suggest to you a very simple reason why we lost the election: We didn’t win the argument,” Cruz said before pointedly lowering his voice. “We didn’t even make the argument.”

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KEYWORDS: cruz; cruz2016; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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1 posted on 11/30/2012 6:40:56 AM PST by LoneStarGI
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To: LoneStarGI

This is a great start, I don’t know who this guy is but he’s singing my song.


2 posted on 11/30/2012 6:44:54 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: LoneStarGI

” “We didn’t even make the argument.”

Correct.


3 posted on 11/30/2012 6:46:17 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: LoneStarGI
I have no problem supporting Cruz if he's the real deal.

But he'll have to prove it - having a hispanic surname isn't enough.

And I completely reject the charge the GOP takes a 'harsh tone' on immigration. That assertion is ridiculous.

4 posted on 11/30/2012 6:46:32 AM PST by skeeter
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To: LoneStarGI
“We didn’t even make the argument.”

Absolutely correct. And it's mostly because Romney and the leadership that pushed him really didn't believe those principles themselves, so therefore they could hardly be expected to argue them.

I hope people like Cruz can just shove the old guard aside and get out there with the message.

5 posted on 11/30/2012 6:51:32 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Paging Sarah Palin.

(there is an opportunity, but it is right now)


6 posted on 11/30/2012 6:53:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LoneStarGI

IBTB - Ted Cruz is the son of US Citizens, he is nbC.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 6:53:15 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: LoneStarGI

He’s got my attention. I’m listening.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 6:54:16 AM PST by Obadiah (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: reefdiver

Cruz is absolutely the real deal.

Now...that said....he was born in Canada to US citizens, but his father was a Cuban refugee who was naturalized.

So wouldn’t many here say he is not eligible for POTUS?

Should GOP ever get Senate majority, Cruz should be a longterm Senate Majority Leader. He could arguably do more for the country if he held onto that gavel for say 24 years, then a mere 8 as POTUS.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 6:54:47 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: livius

I am with you. Cruz, arrives in the Senate as one of the most capable people in an elected position. Even though he is new to that group, he is highly seasoned in DC and politics. Cruz, DeMint, Lee, Rubio, Toomey, and governors like Kasich, Walker, Perry need to work together to meet with potential candidates for 2016 and back them in a uniformed manner heading into the primaries. We need these people with core conservative beliefs to represent the base and screen our options, promote the candidate early, and help bankroll them against the ‘chosen’ RNC candidate (most likely Jeb or Christie).

We can’t do what happened the last cycle and let a bunch of random conservative minds take each other down. I am all for an open process..as opposed to using king makers, but we need some organization from our top leaders to prepare to get a real conservative as the nominee.


10 posted on 11/30/2012 6:57:49 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: reefdiver

I voted for him for Senate but as of yet, he’s held no office. We don’t know much about him. He has no experience or history. As of now, I’d vote NO for any presidental talk.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 6:59:32 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: LoneStarGI

Boy, I like what he’s saying, but the lesson of history is that pols who’ve never even won statewide election don’t get elected President - or even into the finals (ref. Michele B.)

But he’s right on the money with this message and if he can be one of the voices who brings the message of conservatism to masses of people who won’t get it via their news source (i.e. MSM), aren’t going to listen to Rush for 3 hrs/day, etc - more power to him.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 7:01:27 AM PST by bigbob
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To: LoneStarGI
..I think Ted Cruz will find out that the GOP establishment has already found their Latino for 2016--Marco Rubio

Unless a candidate embraces the confession of faith that includes soft immigration language and policy, he or she will never be supported.

BUT if a conservative third party movement develops in this cycle there are a number of possibilities...

13 posted on 11/30/2012 7:01:50 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: reefdiver

And regular conservatism doesn’t provide opportunity?

Another attempt to create distance from the brand, while tarnishing it through the effort.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 7:04:07 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: WalterSkinner

Exactly. My new senator doesn’t have a chance. The RNC RINO factory probably has everything lined up till 2032.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 7:04:58 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: WalterSkinner

Maybe — but another way of putting it is:

“Unless we have articulate messengers who are able to present Conservatism and liberty as the way to truly improve lives and create wealth and opportunity for all, then we’ll be sitting here 3 1/2 years from now bitching about Republican nominee Jeb Bush”.

Screw talk of who’s going to run in 2016! Let’s talk about who, when, and how “we” are going to change the narrative and STOP relying on the RNC to tell us who our candidate is going to be!


16 posted on 11/30/2012 7:06:39 AM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob
“Unless we have articulate messengers who are able to present Conservatism and liberty as the way to truly improve lives and create wealth and opportunity for all, then we’ll be sitting here 3 1/2 years from now bitching about Republican nominee Jeb Bush”.

..I understand what you are saying, but I tend believe that the evidence shows that welfare and race lost this election--they just wanted the stuff...

17 posted on 11/30/2012 7:12:40 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: LoneStarGI

“Opportuniy Conservatism”, sounds too much like “Compassionate Conservatism.” Besides, didn’t Newton Gingrich and others years ago form the “Conservative Opportunity Society”? Both ideas, opportunity and conservatism, just died “on the vine,” as Newt was misquoted as having said about Medicare.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 7:29:46 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The argument hasn’t been made since 1988...


19 posted on 11/30/2012 7:33:00 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: ConservativeDude

“Now...that said....he was born in Canada to US citizens, but his father was a Cuban refugee who was naturalized.”

Uh oh. Problems here.

Even if his parents were natural born citizens (without the “naturalized Cuban refugee” aspect to contend with), they would have had to take certain steps after the birth (paperwork, etc.), to ensure that the birth would be considered “natural born”.

The fact that completely natural-born parents (for example, John McCain’s parents) have a baby OUTSIDE of the USA, in itself, does not make the child natural-born.

Again, this is a “danger, Will Robinson!” situation that will come back at him later on, unless he proves conclusively that the p’s and q’s were taken to qualify his birth as “natural-born”.

Why can’t we find a candidate who’s parents were born _here_, and who was born _here_ as well?


20 posted on 11/30/2012 7:48:00 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: WalterSkinner

I agree with you - it’s going to be Rubio...and I suggest it will be Portman for VP...
Cruz is too fresh but very capable and has argued in front of the Supremes defending conservative values...
I do believe that Rubio is not eligible under the constitution but that arguement isn’t that relevant anymore since the destruction of that constitutional clause... and quite frankly, though I should, I just can’t care about that anymore after Obama’s fraud !!!


21 posted on 11/30/2012 7:48:31 AM PST by Froggie
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To: bigbob

It also seems particularly important that the experience is executive, such as a governorship, rather than congressional or senatorial.

Either way, he needs a lot more ‘show me wax the car, show me paint the fence’ time.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 7:50:47 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: livius

“I hope people like Cruz can just shove the old guard aside and get out there with the message.”

Given how the Geriatric Old Plotters were able to invert the gains of 2010 into the failure of 2012, I wouldn’t bet the farm on this happening.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:22 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: bigbob

“pols who’ve never even won statewide election don’t get elected President”

US Senator, won statewide.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:42 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: WalterSkinner

I (strongly) disagree:

Go to the store and take a look at any label. It will say “Made in China”.

Every one of those items was once, made in America.

What we have done is drive manufacturing out of America, in the process creating DEMOCRATS.

We must bring back jobs to America.

That will create more Republicans.

The thing is, this must happen immediately.

There is no more time to delay.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:57 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LoneStarGI

Another Senator?

One who hasn’t even taken his seat yet!!!!!

The election of Obama lowered the bar to ground level.

==

Cruz, get a decade of experience — some of which should be executive, not all legislative.

Senators are professional bloviators. We already have one of those in the WH.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 7:53:33 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: LoneStarGI

Cruz was born in Canada. He can’t run for pres.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 7:53:42 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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28 posted on 11/30/2012 7:55:00 AM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Perdogg

Sorry, Cruz’s Mom and Dad were Cuban exiles and naturalized after he was born in USA.

Unless we conservatives are willing to follow the dems lead and disregard the Constitution, Ted is not NBC. Cruz has been doing Constitutional speeches since high school, he loves the Constitution and would probably be the last to not honor it by trying to skirt the NBC clause.

As a staunch Conservative Texan I supported Cruz against the odds and against the Texas GOPe, because he is the most truly conservative America loving politician (well maybe my Congressman Louie Gohmert, too) to come along in a long time.

Cruz will be a leader! But not POTUS, maybe President of Republic of Texas!!!


29 posted on 11/30/2012 8:02:14 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: ilgipper

Yes, I think advance preparation is the key. We shouldn’t forget that Romney had been running, with his own money, basically since leaving his governorship, so he had had years to build up influence with the party leaders. That was an unusual situation, but the principle is valid for anybody: start now, state your case, build alliances, build a track record, and have your organization in place.

I don’t think everybody has to agree on one candidate yet, but we should have a few viable possibilities and we should really focus only on those who are actually willing to declare that they are in the running. I other words, not just people who we like, hoping that somehow, someday they’ll take the plunge and become candidates; they have to be ready to take the heat starting now.

And we’ve got to stop reducing our response to candidates that we don’t like to idiotic name-calling and insults. Aside from creating a bitter, ugly environment, it does nothing to help us get a good candidate or one who’s willing to develop his ideas in response to legitimate criticism.

Also...no more open primaries. Those laws have got to be changed now.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 8:03:08 AM PST by livius
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To: WalterSkinner
..I think Ted Cruz will find out that the GOP establishment has already found their Latino for 2016--Marco Rubio

CORRECTED: ..I think Ted Cruz will find out that the GOP establishment has already found their Latino for 2016--Marco Rubio Jeb Bush because of his Mexican wife.

==

Last week, the only name in circulation as the 'best possible' for 2016 was Jeb Bush. That shows how out of touch the GOPe are.

About 54% of the voters still blame brother George for the bad economy.

It boils down to whether the GOP want another also-ran loser or whether they want to actually win the WH. I doubt Jeb would make it through the primaries, without some serious GOPe finagling. I doubt he would win the general, regardless of the Dem nominee.

The GOPe doesn't seem to realize that the Bush name is TOXIC in national politics.
31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Nope, he is a US citizen born to US parents, and didnt need to be be naturalized.
If you aren’t an alien, and US law does not require you to become naturalized to be a citizen (like Cruz), then you are NBC.

There are two levels of citizenship discussed in the Constitution. You must be a citizen to be in Congress or Senate. (meaning naturalized is ok, this is beyond dispute today that a naturalized citizen can run for congress)
The other is that you must be a natural born citizen to be president or VP.
So unless there is another type of citizenship somewhere that i cannot find, other “citizens” are natural born. Also, the Constitution does not define this term “natural born”.
The process for deciding who needs to be naturalized, and who gains citizenship upon birth was left entirely to congressional legislation.

Here’s the current law that decides it,
“Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.”

The way i read this, is that if Obama was born in a grass hut, he would be a natural born citizen as long as Satnley Ann Dunham was his real mom.
According to this law, Ted Cruz is fully eligible.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 8:06:10 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: LoneStarGI

” - - - “We didn’t even make the argument.” - - - “

BULLSEYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The RINO Election Campaign motto might as well be: “LOSE AT ALL COSTS !”


33 posted on 11/30/2012 8:07:14 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ilgipper

Order of business #1? CLOSE the primaries!


34 posted on 11/30/2012 8:07:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: X-spurt; Perdogg; Road Glide

My mistake, Road Glide is right, Cruz was born in Canada while his parents were on their way to the USA.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 8:08:16 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: TomGuy
Jeb Bush because of his Mexican wife

..I think you have a point. This solves a lot of potential citizenship status problems for the establishment. Also I think the stories about George P. are trial balloons to see if the public will swallow continuing with the dynasty

36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:11:53 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: LoneStarGI
“Opportunity Conservatism” NO! Remember the last time we put a word in front of "conservatism" to qualify for more voters? COMPASSIONATE ring a bell? And what did that get us? Karl Rove and GW Bush. No thanks. Conservatism has always been about creating opportunities for everyone. We don't need to qualify it as if it's something we are going to do differently. I say we nip this in the bud now and never speak of it again.
37 posted on 11/30/2012 8:12:00 AM PST by LiberConservative
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To: X-spurt

“...he was born in USA.”

He was born in CANADA!!!!

“Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business. His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.”

Read in in Google.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 8:14:11 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: DesertRhino

Hate it having to admit being wrong.
This on Ted in Wiki:
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business.[8][9] His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent

This NBC thing is so conveluted, maybe Cruz is NBC.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 8:17:12 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: bigbob
then we’ll be sitting here 3 1/2 years from now bitching about Republican nominee Jeb Bush

The splintering for 2016 has already started.

Interested [some semi-] conservatives: Rubio, Christie, DeMint, Paul, Cruz, Santorum, and about 12 other Senators and Governors.

GOPe probable preferred: Jeb Bush, after all, it is his turn, isn't it?

==

As with 2008 and 2012, the conservatives will splinter the vote and the hangers-on will manage to give the nomination, again, to the GOPe selectee.

==

If the conservatives have NOT coalesced around ONE candidate by SuperTuesday, they will hand the nomination to the GOPe selectee.

After the vicious attacks and bans and name-calling and bullying on FR this past primary season, I doubt conservatives could coalesce around any single candidate.

Look at the 'quality' that was offered up this spring:
a talkshow host,
a 'flakey' House member,
a governor who forgot his political positions,
a deposed former Senator,
a deposed former Speaker of the House.
40 posted on 11/30/2012 8:18:12 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: LiberConservative

“Opportunity Conservatism” NO! Remember the last time we put a word in front of “conservatism” to qualify for more voters?”

I couldn’t resist. Your statement with your name, LiberConservative. Ironic!


41 posted on 11/30/2012 8:18:12 AM PST by RGVTx
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To: Psalm 144
Geriatric Old Plotters

LOL! I like it!

42 posted on 11/30/2012 8:21:08 AM PST by livius
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To: X-spurt

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

THAT is the NBC clause in it’s entirety. The constitution never mentions all the things we often hear about what constitutes NBC. That was left for congress to decide by legislation. The constitution only mentions two kinds of citizens. Citizens and Natural Born. If you are a citizen without needing naturalization, you’re NBC. There is no third class. It isn’t naturalized citizens, then NBC, and then some oddball group in the middle that is a limited citizen with some limits, but never needing naturalization.

Cruz is eligible. There’s not even a question under the constitution, or under the law.


43 posted on 11/30/2012 8:22:23 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: WalterSkinner

George P. cannot become pres because at the time of his birth, Columba was not a U.S. citizen. She became naturalized 13 years later after his birth...1987.


44 posted on 11/30/2012 8:24:56 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TomGuy

“That shows how out of touch the GOPe are.”

They are not out of touch, they are just as opposed to grassroots conservatives and individual liberty as are the Democrats. They are not stupid. They are very cunning Quislings.


45 posted on 11/30/2012 8:28:37 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: LiberConservative
“Opportunity Conservatism” NO! Remember the last time we put a word in front of "conservatism" to qualify for more voters? COMPASSIONATE ring a bell?

That could be the problem. The 'conservatives' may have to take a section out of the Leftist paybook.

'Conservatism' and all of its assocated words have become toxic because of the Leftists and the MSM. Perhaps, it is time to coin a new phrase -- same principles, just different terminology. The Leftists did it a century ago with their becoming 'progressives,' when in actuality they are more socialist than democratic.

Of course, the Leftists and MSM will vilify any new words, just like they did with 'Tea Party' and the resulting 'teabagger' references.

The biggest problem the 'conservatives' have is getting their word out. They have few venues for doing so. The Leftist influence permeates most of the print and broadcast media. Other than the political talkshows, the Right has little in the way of outlets.
46 posted on 11/30/2012 8:30:16 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: DesertRhino

Your head was filled with concrete at birth.

If you keep you mouth closed, no one will be the wiser.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 8:31:32 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAahhhhh!

He can claim he was born in Hawaii, and we can make up a birth certificate that says so. MSPublisher, Corel Ventura, MS Word, etc.

Heck, we can probably even get it faxed to Dan Rather’s favorite Kinko’s.


48 posted on 11/30/2012 8:33:27 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: X-spurt

I think he is NBC. And I see all kinds of things offered as “requirements”, but not one of them is in there in the Constitution to read, or in the law that i know of. I hear some say both parents must be NBC, That Cruz’s dad being naturalized would knock him out, i hear that Obamas mom cannot give citizenship to Obama unless she was 18, etc etc.

But we are left with the clause in the constitution, and with the law defining who does not need to be naturalized. People dress it up with a lot of opinions, but i cannot see anything, anywhere, that creates some citizens by birth, who do not possess full rights.


49 posted on 11/30/2012 8:35:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: TomGuy

Excellent idea.


50 posted on 11/30/2012 8:36:35 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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