Skip to comments.Cribs for needy families stolen in Woodstock (unintentional irony alert)
Posted on 11/30/2012 7:31:43 AM PST by from occupied ga
When Monti Price arrived for work at the Hope Center in Woodstock Wednesday morning, she was struck by what she did not see.
I noticed a big empty space in our parking lot where our trailer used to be, she said.
Inside that trailer, five brand new cribs intended for needy mothers like Angela, who earned them by attending parenting classes. Angela arrived at the ministry for pregnant women and new mothers on Thursday afternoon, hoping to pick up the crib for her three-month old son, David.
Just to find out this, she said, shaking her head in sad surprise, Im really disappointed.
Without the crib, she said, her young son will do what he has done since birth.
David will sleep with me for now, in the same bed. And its not even safe for the baby, she added, saying there is just no way she can afford a crib on her own.
Hope Center executives say, since word of the theft started spreading, the community has rushed in with offers of support. There have been enough donations to cover the purchase of new cribs, but not enough yet to buy a new trailer. The trailer, which was also donated, had been used to deliver the cribs and baby seats, also given to those who earn them by taking parenting classes and who might not otherwise be able to afford them.
Woodstock Police continue their investigation into the theft. And Angela had a message for the thief:
You ought to be ashamed of yourself, she admonished, and ask for forgiveness from God.
From my viewpoint there isn't any difference between "Angela" and then thieves except they weren't too lazy to steal on their own, and "Angela" was too lazy to even do that - doubtless relying on the government to supply her EBT card loaded with stolen dollars form the taxpayers and charity to supply her lifestyle. I wonder if she has a flat screen TV. I also wonder where be the baby daddy.
Did you ever wonder whether Angela is only 15, still a legally innocent child herself, and has been spawned by irresponsible parents and also abandoned by the baby daddy and his family? Have a heart. At least she did complete the parenting classes and we aren’t as likely to see her yelling at her crying baby and hitting it in the grocery aisles.
That she attended a ministry puts her ahead of many that just wallow in thier error.
Perhaps a more forgiving attitude to fellow sinners is in order.
So what? Does that mean she's going to give up her (assumed) EBT card?
Perhaps a more forgiving attitude to fellow sinners is in order
You can forgive all you want. But irresponsible a$$holes like her are what is ruining this country. Want to guess how she voted? Going out on a lib here, but I'm going to say 0bama.
I doubt that 15 year old Angela voted at all.
I don't approve of her actions, but what exactly do you want? You want to stone her to death? Or just rage about her?
I’m glad I live in a different Woodstock (not that something similar might mot happen here).
No. And I still don't. ANd even if she were, SO WHAT? There are lots of people whose parents aren't the greatest that don't continue the cycle. Unless she was the victim of rape, she spread 'em willingly and knowing what the result was likely to be. Birth control is very widely available, and if you can't afford kids without burdening other people with the cost of your pleasure you shouldn't have 'em.
I expected some sanctimonious posts like yours from those who lack the ability to think critically.
I’m glad I live in a different Woodstock (not that something similar might not happen here).
in the 70’s, 50% of illegitimate babies were put up for adoption. Adopted children do much better in life than even children born to two parent homes.
Now less than 1% of illegitimate children are put up for adoption.
It's an imperfect world. People are always going to be doing things you don't like.
What is your solution to that?
I have been volunteering at Shared Pregnancy here in Lansing for years, and apart from food baskets at Christmas and Easter the clients get absolutely no freebies. They earn points by attending parenting classes, which cover everything from health and nutrition to early learning, or they earn points by volunteering at the center. The points are accumulated and then cashed in when the client wants/needs something. A bag of clothing is usually 1-2 points--something like a crib is 10. Figure that it takes an hour to earn a point--how much is 10 hours of work at minimum wage?
Enough to buy a crib.
Oh, stuff it. If there was ever someone who thinks critically, it’s yours truly. You are kicking the victim. The article says private persons donated to this cause. The villain remains 40 years of failed Democrat progressive politics.
I understand where you’re coming from. There are so many of these “ministries” where they believe they’re helping these people. Yet, I’m not sure they’re really correcting attitudes (which they should be about) or just giving handouts (which is what they’re doing). It’s simply another method for redistributing the wealth. People feel sorry and give. Others take. Just because Angela attended a parenting class doesn’t mean that she has changed her attitude or her desire to “better” her life situation.
another free yard sale on craigs list?
I totally agree because today’s out of wedlock children as well as children from divorced homes suffer Parental Alienation, which is the worst child abuse of all! All due to a complicit “family” court system.
Conservatives often get accused of not having a heart. But here is a private center where people are actually trying to save the life of a child and help the moms -- as if there have NEVER been single moms in the history of the world -- and we have a screed about taxes at the top of the thread.
I agree; the entire Great-Society-easy-sex-and-welfare mentality has put this country in the toilet, and we have LBJ to thank, among many other Democrats. But the original post screaming about a single mother who at least made an effort? Not a solution.
I sense a hard core leftist approach - attempting to marginalize your opponent by calling them "angry" I also sense dishonesty in your calling "Angela" 15 years old. NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE IS HER AGE STATED. I don't know her age and, more to the point, neither do you. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're NOT entitled to your own facts
What do YOU want? DO you want more welfare recipients? Additional lifestyle support for the irresponsible? Additional rewards for stupid behavior? Is this what you want?
As to what I want is for people to have bear consequences for their actions. ONLY THEN will there be fewer irresponsible choices among the indolent.
At least she didn’t abort the child! Maybe adoption would be a better option but at least with the support of the organization she didn’t abort, as I’m fairly sure she was pressured to do.
There are several Christian pregnancy centers here in South Jersey that do much the same as described in the article: clients receive training to be better parents and DONATED items are “earned” for their diligence in participating. Such support enables a child to be born, rather than aborted.
I’d ask you to remember that from a human viewpoint, Jesus was an unplanned pregnancy also.
The HOPE Center does not accept government donations and is totally supported by churches, businesses and individuals
Earn While You Learn (EWYL) - A one-on-one educational program between client and mentor that complements our Childbirth Preparation classes. Clients earn Mommy Money and Daddy Dollars to spend in the Baby & More Thrift Store.
As opposed to earning dollars by working at a job? Do they have to pass a test or can they just sit there?
What do you mean something for nothing?? It says right there in the article she took the required parenting classes that the charity offers. She made a deal with that charity and she EARNED that crib.
Sometimes conservatives can be so judgmental and it just comes off as mean. We're not helping our cause any. THis poor kid has probably never had a break in her life, and if she grew up in the welfare system, she may never even have seen anybody she loves actually earn something. And when she goes and tries to make her life a little better for her child and all she gets is scorn.
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How do you suggest that people be made to be (more) responsible for their actions?
Do you really believe that people won't continue to make bad choices?
The world remains imperfect. The poor will always be with us.
I'm sure there are going to be a bunch of cribs on Craigs list in the next week or so.
Talk about unintentional irony....
REAL EASY! Re-enstate the work requirement for government assistance for a starter. Make it MORE DIFFICULT, not less difficult to get on the welfare roles. When you do this you force people to be more fiscally responsible. Without fail every food stamper and now EBT card user I've had the misfortune to get behind in the grocery store makes two piles. first the groceries, and then the beer/wine etc. and (usually) dog food. They pay for the groceries, get cash and then use the cash to pay for the beer and dog food. And let's not mention the grocery choices. These usually fallinto two categories: The expensive prepackaged entrees that require minimal work to prepare, or alternatively expensive cuts of meat.
Do you really believe that people won't continue to make bad choices?
Of course not, but if there are more consequences, then they will make FEWER bad choices.
Do YOU really believe that finacially rewarding irresponsible behavior will lead to less irresponsible behavior?
You need to get busy with a dictionary.
Mary was a homeless teenage mother.
But the article was about a voluntary charity. Not government.
It's not something for nothing. It's a crib in exchange for doing something, in this case . She entered into an agreement with the Hope Center (a contract of sorts), where she agreed to take a class and, in exchange the Hope Center agreed to provide her with a crib. The Hope Center owned the cribs, and if they wanted to give them to people in exchange for the class, that's their decision to make. You may view taking the class as "doing nothing," but that's not your call.
From my viewpoint there isn't any difference between "Angela" and then thieves
If you think there's no difference, you're missing the operative word, theives. Again, you may not view it as a fair deal, but the Hope Center willingly agreed to give these people cribs in exchange for taking a class. By virtue of that agreement, "Angela" and the others had a right to take the cribs (just like you or I have a right to take something that is offered to us, say as a gift). The Hope Center did NOT agree to give the cribs to the people who stole them, and so those people had no right to take them.
OK....for the 1st one MISTAKE....let her have the crib. But as a condition, she gets the Neil Boortz treatment.....Stand her on her head and fill her with norplant
sanctimonious - adjective /ˌsæŋk.tɪˈməʊ.ni.əs//-ˈmoʊ-/ adj - acting as if morally better than others
Your entire initial post conveyed a sense of moral superiority over others (specifically, "Angela"). Then, when you got called out on your BS, you started calling others sanctimonious.
Chances are she is an unwed mother as opposed to a married woman or a widow, so for argument's sake I will assume that is the case.
Assuming that is true, she should be rebuked and corrected for her sexual immorality, but should also be treated with Christian kindness, if she takes responsibility for her sin and its consequences.
She didn't seem to have a particularly obnoxious attitude of entitlement, like so many people do. She simply said she was disappointed and said that the thieves should be ashamed of themselves and repent before God. I don't see anything wrong with either of those statements.
I think where our society in general, and most Christian churches, including “conservative, Bible believing” ones are going wrong is treating the sexual immorality that causes these out of wedlock births as being “OK”. It is not OK at all, but a very, serious sin.
I once read a book by a very, good, guest preacher at a church I used to attend and he wrote “God is in the business of forgiving sin, not excusing it.”
IMHO, one of the fundamental problems with our churches and our nation is that we misrepresent God as an excuser of sins of the unrepentant, rather than a forgiver of sins, of the truly repentant.
This goes for so many other sins as well, not just sexual immorality. Lying and unbiblical divorces come to mind.
AND that's good. However, I'm not talking about the source, but the recipient. Speaking generally here, not specifically about "Angela", relying on charity or the government, either one or both, rather than being able to support yourself is almost always the result of multiple bad life choices - drop out of school followed by out of wedlock children spend what money you have on entertainment rather than necessities, etc.
One poster stated correctly "The poor you will always have with you." The problem is that in the last four years the number of people on the dole (and presumable relying on private charity as well) has reached unprecedented numbers. We're defining poverty up and adding those simply unwilling to work to the mix. Why? Because it's entirely too easy to get on. there are 47,000,000 people on EBT support in the USA today. Most of them are capable of working, as was shown by the huge drop in welfare recipient numbers when the republicans forced the Clinton administration to add a work requirement to welfare.
Look at the last election - the takers outvoted the makers. Do you think that anyone who was receiving means tested assistance voted Republican? This country is going the wrong way.
Not at all. You're seeing this through the filter of what you want to see not what is.
I was raised in foster care, my bio mother was a hooker, and my bio dad was a disgraced cop in jail for attempted murder....one almost victim was me (and I still have the scars to prove it).
My foster parents were good people but sorry parents (hence the reason God said NO to reproduction).
I graduated high school with honors. Went to nursing school. Got married pre-sexual activity. Raised two babies post wedding. Worked my way up the corporate food chain. Attended college. Held a public office. And when the two kids were in college, adopted two more from Asia. And the last house we bought, we paid cash.
I received no sympathy, no handouts, and I offered no excuses.
My circumstanes at times were dire, homeless always flirted around the edges.
I took nothing that I didn’t earn.
If I can do this, so can others.
Agreed, I may have come across a bit harsh. But those relying on charity are really expecting something for nothing. Thieves expect something for nothing so in reality although there is a distinction, both feel entitled to something that they have not earned in the traditional sense. The widespread sense of entitlement in the population is one of the major problems bringing this country to its knees.
Riiiight. When you called her a "parasite," a "burden on society," said she should be "ashamed of [herself]" and compared her (unfavorably) to a thief, you were not conveying moral superiority. Gotcha.
away in a manger no crib for his bed...how ironic that we engage in debate over stolen cribs during the christmas season
I think what others are trying to say is that your posts seem to lack compassion for our fellow man
if you are christian you are required to show compassion for your fellow man
all of them..those who make mistakes and even those whom you may think are robbing you blind with the help of the government
You asked a general question. I answered it. Actually making private charity more descriminating would probably help too. I remember reading an article abou charity in the early 20th century, and according to the article those doleing out the goodies then were much more likely to turn someone down because they had a drinking problem, wouldn't try to work etc. than do charities today. I think the article was published somewhere in the fee.org site.
She is (a parasite), probably always will be (a burden on society), and yes, she should (be ashamed of herself).
And yes, she is (the same as a thief).
Truth is not always pretty.
It is, however, still truth.
I will say that I have no DIRECT evidence that she is in the last mentioned class, I simply INFERRED it from the fact that she was counting on charity to provide her with some supplies. However, most people who are getting private charity go first to the government and second to the private charity. Just betting the odds here.
“Sometimes conservatives can be so judgmental and it just comes off as mean.”
I agree. Disapproving isn’t the same thing as judging.
Sadly a few of the posts here come off not only as judgmental but also mean, uninformed, and more than a little hypocritical.
This is a totally private charity and I thought the purpose of a charity was to help the less fortunate.
Would aborting the baby have been preferred?
Mary was NOT homeless, and, she was engaged to be married when she conceived. It’s not like she was a child bride. She was age appropriate for the time.
And, she accepted her assignment with grace. She could have refused.
Are you comparing Mary to these low life single girls that sleep around with whoever, get knocked up and keep the kid for the 1st of the month check?
I'm somewht selective in my compassion. I try to reserve it for those who are in bad straits through no fault fo their own. Like those who are stricken by an expensive disease. Those who are injured in accidents that were caused by someone else, and of course I have compassion for the hardworking americans who are being robbed to buy votes for the Democratic party.
those who make mistakes
A mistake as an accidently oversight like thinking you have a $50 bill in your wallet and it turns out you have a $20. A mistake is adding up a column of numbers wrong. A mistake is getting the wrong size (or maybe the right size) dress for your wife's birthday. Having a child that you cannot afford is a life style choice. You have to choose a baby daddy. You have to choose to have sex with said baby daddy. You have to choose to NOT practice birth control during the aforementioned sex. These are conscious deliberate choices, not accidental oversights
how you describe this young girl is exactly what mary’s village thought of her..
remember they even encouraged Joseph break off the engagement so they could stone her
and yes as she entered bethlehem she was indeed homeless as she prepared to give birth to Christ
Thank you, Mom4Me. I thought that ‘Mary was a homeless single teenager’ meme had been laughed off the island, but apparently, it’s still lurking around.