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An American Problem
Tea Party Nation ^ | 11/30/12 | Judson Phillips

Posted on 11/30/2012 12:31:47 PM PST by Thad Lost

In America, we have a huge problem. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, we are told. Yet we are wasting untold minds in America. America has a huge problem in the fields of science, technology, engineering and math (STEM).

A solution has been proposed to help America but the solution idiotically misses the real problem.

What is this non-solution and what is the real problem America will not address?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: american; bill; education; stem

1 posted on 11/30/2012 12:32:03 PM PST by Thad Lost
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To: Thad Lost

Emasculating boys.. Ignoring boys in the schools.. It’s ALL female, ALL the time. GIRL POWER!!!!


2 posted on 11/30/2012 12:34:19 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Thad Lost

How about those experienced people who KNOW WHAT THE BLEEP THEY ARE DOING but can’t get jobs because they are males over 55?
Eh?
How about their replacements who can’t even speak English?
Eh?


3 posted on 11/30/2012 12:35:10 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Thad Lost

If you can believe it, the WH thinks will be using Title IX to fix the problem of too many males in engineering.


4 posted on 11/30/2012 12:36:20 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: Thad Lost

The author is correct. Republican-controlled states need to get to work transforming their school system into a complete voucher-based system: the student gets the money and can take it to any school they want.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 12:39:45 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Thad Lost

Two words, “publik skewls”.


6 posted on 11/30/2012 12:42:54 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Thad Lost

Left wing teachers unions


7 posted on 11/30/2012 12:43:31 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Thad Lost
The answer is the school system in America is worse than awful.

Sums it up.

I teach and I can tell you the entire school system is set up for the benefit of the teachers, not the students.

No business can be run for the sake of the help and not the customer.

The rampant liberal insanity doesn't help either. The whole "War on Bullying" is designed to demean and denigrate male behavior, too.

8 posted on 11/30/2012 12:49:43 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

0bama was raised by a single mother and a cross-dressing, transgender nanny.. Add Hillary.. Add Charlene Lamb.. Throw Susan Rice into mix, and what do you get? Four dead Americans in Benghazi. The only REAL men in the Benghazi circus are DEAD.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 12:50:37 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Thad Lost

Well, start with wages. If we quit importing H1B applicants from third world countries to do STEM jobs at half of what they should be getting paid, then you’ll see more people from the US go into these positions.

The GOP has been steadily raising the number of H1B applicants allowed into this country for over 15 years now.

One of the reasons why US businesses love H1B engineers instead of US engineers is that H1B engineers are docile and subservient. They can’t make waves while the H1B is hanging over their heads.


10 posted on 11/30/2012 12:51:31 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Thad Lost
"Diversity" is valued and prized over excellency. Competition is frowned upon in the socialistic Amerika. Modern day philosophy and new fangled child rearing that adopts the Everyone's a Winner," overpraise and "self esteem" movement has wreaked havoc.

Shame and guilt for underachieving has been eliminated! Modesty,thrift,and common sense is old-fashioned! All manner of discipline and self-control is equated with abuse or damaging a child's "fragile psyche."

The celebrity lifestyle is adored and worshipped as young people are fed pipe dreams they they too will be the next "american idol" winner or sports hero so therefore studies aren't important.

Pop culture and cutting corners; doing things the EASY way and living an indulgent lifestyle while being sheltered from said lifestyle's inherent consequences is the norm.

11 posted on 11/30/2012 12:51:31 PM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Thad Lost

While we do need to reform education (i.e. put control of it back in the hands of local school boards and parents) this article is a bunch of blather.

You want STEM jobs? How much of Steve Jobs success came from what he learned at...what was it...Reed College? Ask Dean Kamen where he got his immense knowledge of physics and technology. Or any other multi-millionaire inventor/entrepreneur. Yes, many attended prestigious universities and I’m not putting any of them down, just pointing out that the only road to success does not run through PhD-land. Get the government out of everyones life, remove stupid regulations and nanny-state rules, and you’ll see more jobs created by entrepreneurs who learned their craft in basements and garages than in the hallowed halls of Haavahd and their ilk.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 12:53:16 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Thad Lost

Having an E degree in the STEM acronym, I can say that my public school teachers didn’t prepare us for the level of vigor required for engineering in universities. That’s because public school teachers don’t know much. It’s easy to teach history because all you have to do is read it and regurgitate it to the students; you don’t have to understand nuthin’. Teaching math, you have to understand it. Why can’t someone who’s a ‘qualified’ teacher simply step in and teach a chemistry class? Because she doesn’t understand it.


13 posted on 11/30/2012 1:06:00 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Thad Lost

These kids aren’t so dumb when you realize that they’ve seen that their STEM parents that are over 40 are unable to get jobs in their field due to age discrimination, H1b visas and off-shoreing.

So it would be pretty stupid of them to spend all that effort, time and money on a STEM education on a “career” that only lasts 20 years at best, wouldn’t it?


14 posted on 11/30/2012 1:20:14 PM PST by RatSlayer
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To: Thad Lost; All
Obama Shovel

"A Mind Strong Back Is A Terrible Thing To Waste"


15 posted on 11/30/2012 2:09:51 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Thad Lost

Under the old, evil public school methods of the mid 20th century, I completed high school never having heard the phrase “self esteem”, understanding that I had no talent, wasn’t terribly bright and would have to work like hell just to survive. It served me quite well.

Engineering, accounting, and the hard sciences were presented as desirable occupations.

Now we have a lot of kids with little other than self esteem.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 2:41:45 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Thad Lost

Finally found something he's qualified for...

Regards,
GtG
17 posted on 11/30/2012 4:06:56 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Thad Lost; metmom
The author advocates school choice/voucher, even as KhanAcademy.org is demonstrating the potential/capablity of web sites to supplant lectures and textbooks . . . making homeschooling all the more practical.

18 posted on 11/30/2012 5:55:09 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; ...

Another ping for both the lists.

I have three kids and among them we’re looking at one engineering and two physics degrees at the undergrad level, out of one boy and two girls, who ALL entered college in the honors programs in their respective universities/colleges.

All out of some ignuint, homeschooling creationists.

Imagine that........


19 posted on 11/30/2012 7:42:03 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; ...

Another ping for both the lists.

I have three kids and among them we’re looking at one engineering and two physics degrees at the undergrad level, out of one boy and two girls, who ALL entered college in the honors programs in their respective universities/colleges.

All out of some ignuint, homeschooling creationists.

Imagine that........


20 posted on 11/30/2012 7:43:11 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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21 posted on 11/30/2012 7:43:21 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: metmom
I have three kids and among them we’re looking at one engineering and two physics degrees at the undergrad level, out of one boy and two girls, who ALL entered college in the honors programs in their respective universities/colleges.

Same here. I have two college grads with engineering degrees and one studying to be a doctor. They were all taught at home from day one. It's too bad more people don't view homeschooling as a good alternative to traditional schooling.

Congratulations to you!

22 posted on 11/30/2012 7:52:40 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (I really hate not knowing what was said in the deleted posts....)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

Congratulations yourself.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 8:07:44 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Thad Lost

Vouchers stink. I hope they’re never adopted. Why? Because He Who Pays the Piper Calls the Tune.

Don’t like condom-on-a-cucumber? You can at least send your kid to a private school at your own cost and avoid it. Once the government starts paying for it, though, expect those lessons in prophylactics for vegetables to be taught in the private schools as well.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 8:58:46 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname; metmom
Again...Our family's success with homeschooling has been outstanding:

—College entrance at the ages of 13, 12, and 13.

—Finished all college required courses and Calculus III by the age of 15.

—Two finished B.S. degrees in math at the age of 18.

—One taught college math at the age of 18 to college students and earned a M.S. in math at 20.

—The oldest was a nationally and internationally ranked athlete. Worked and studied in Eastern Europe and is fluent in Russian, and earned a masters in accounting at an age typical for those institutionalized in government schools.

25 posted on 12/01/2012 2:06:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: RKBA Democrat

I have mixed feeling about vouchers, tax credits, and charters.

Against:
—Because He Who Pays the Piper Calls the Tune.

— We may see private school tuition inflation as we have seen with college tuition.

For:
— They may provide a means to build the private infrastructure needed to replace the government institutional schools.

— There are voucher programs ( food stamps and Section 8) programs that haven’t led to excessive government control or price inflation.

Conclusion:

Fundamentally, I would support vouchers only as a means to bring about the complete separation of school and state. That must always be the conservative goal.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 2:11:33 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

“Fundamentally, I would support vouchers only as a means to bring about the complete separation of school and state. That must always be the conservative goal.”

We have a more or less functioning private school system, home education that is doing wonderfully, and the disaster that is the government schools (which I don’t blame the government solely for, BTW). I agree with you as to the end result, but I just don’t see vouchers being worth the risk they bring.

The government schools are going to do what they’re going to do. Shaking the Aid to Families with Dependent Parents habit is going to be tough for parents, but it’s going to happen for all but the destitute, the indifferent, and the terminally clueless.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 8:13:25 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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