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Conservatives vs. the GOP - Republicans in Congress are warned that they will lose their base if...
National Review Online ^ | November 30, 2012 | John Fund

Posted on 11/30/2012 2:20:39 PM PST by neverdem

Republicans in Congress are warned that they will lose their base if they vote for tax hikes.
Brent Bozell, chairman of ForAmerica

Conservative groups are sending written warnings to both congressional Republicans and the Republican National Committee. If Republicans sign on to a deal that raises taxes, they risk an open break with large portions of their base. “This is a time of testing for you,” more than 70 conservative leaders write in an open letter sent Friday morning to every GOP member of Congress. They warn that if a budget deal that raises taxes is passed with GOP fingerprints on it, conservatives will “see that the current leadership is not an acceptable alternative to the left. Conservatives would then likely repeat what they did in the 1970s, when they systematically and successfully undertook a multi-year effort to replace Republican congressional leadership.”

The letter goes on to warn that there are two ways President Obama and liberal Democrats could turn their economic agenda into law. First, just enough Republicans could vote with the Democrats to provide a narrow majority for tax hikes. Or the Republican leadership in both houses could negotiate a “deal” and pressure Republican congressmen and senators to approve it. “Either of these two courses would be a disaster for conservative principles because they would result in permanent advances for the ‘fundamental changes’ the left wants to impose on our country,” the conservative leaders warn.

Among the leading conservatives who signed the letter are Morton Blackwell, a prominent member of the RNC from Virginia; Colin Hanna, head of Let Freedom Ring; and Tony Perkins, a well-known pro-family leader. Their tough message was amplified and sharpened in a separate letter to Reince Priebus, the RNC’s chair, written this week by Brent Bozell, the chairman of ForAmerica and a noted fundraiser for conservative groups combating media bias and liberal legislation. Bozell noted that he has spent over 30 years raising hundreds of millions of dollars for “an alphabet soup of conservative causes,” including the Media Research Center, which he founded. But his involvement with the Republican party would end with a budget deal that raised taxes.

“Reince, it pains me to say this, but if the Republican Party breaks its word to the American people and goes along with President Obama with tax increases, it will have betrayed conservatives for the final time,” he wrote. “I will make it my mission to ensure that every conservative donor to the Republican Party that I have worked with for the last three decades—and there are many and they have given tens of millions to Republican causes—gives not one penny more to the Republican Party or any member of Congress that votes for tax increases.”

Both letters were prompted by a small group of Republicans in Congress—Senators Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Bob Corker of Tennessee, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina—who took to TV news shows to declare they no longer felt bound by the pledge they took not to vote for any net increase in taxes. “Republicans should put revenue on the table,” Graham told CBS News. “We don’t generate enough revenue. Capping deductions will help generate revenue.”

But many of Graham’s fellow Republicans respond that becoming what Newt Gingrich once called “tax collectors for the welfare state” was both bad policy and bad politics. Senator Jim DeMint, Graham’s South Carolina colleague, warns that “if there is a bad deal, I just think you’re going to see conservatives around the country coalesce around better candidates, better-trained candidates, and to recognize the Republican party needs to reflect more conservative principles.” He told The Hill that he knows a lot of conservative donors who have already stopped giving to official Republican groups and are instead sending money to the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, or DeMint’s own Senate Conservatives Fund.

It’s unclear just how much attention the letters sent to GOP leaders will get in the rush to avoid the fiscal cliff. But Republicans ignore the message at their peril. The last election showed that many GOP donors are now comfortable with contributing to non-party groups. Tea-party activists are often proud to highlight their independence from the official GOP structures of authority. And Republicans always risk losing voters to upstarts from the Libertarian and Constitution parties. This month’s elections saw the GOP lose several close races probably because of third-party inroads into its base. Most notable was the Montana race, where Dan Cox of the Libertarian party won 7 percent of the vote after GOP Senate nominee Representative Denny Rehberg voted twice against Paul Ryan’s budget in the House because of its budget restraint on entitlements.

But Republicans are feeling enormous pressure to go along with President Obama, the elite media, and much of big business and to approve a budget deal that raises taxes. Republican leaders in Congress should realize, however, the degree to which they risk a civil war over the issue if they break their anti-tax pledge in exchange for another flawed and probably unenforceable budget deal.

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO.



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1 posted on 11/30/2012 2:20:44 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
I think Republicans lost the election BECAUSE they're not listening to their base...
2 posted on 11/30/2012 2:22:41 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: neverdem

The Republicans have already lost their “Base”. What they now are trying so hard to lose is all the rest of the voters that might be swayed to vote for them. The Pubbies are a defunct species. Santa Clause has come to town.


3 posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:27 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Tzimisce

Precisely! If the GOP is going to lose anyway, I might as well vote and contribute to those that reflect my conservative views and to hell with the RINOs!


4 posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:58 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: neverdem

Maybe if the GOP kicks us to the curb, they could be doing us a favor? Maybe the time is for the Unthinkable. Third Party.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 2:27:50 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: neverdem

Primary all the SOB’s that sign on to a ‘deal’. They have left the party..............


6 posted on 11/30/2012 2:30:49 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: neverdem

The GOP lost me. I vote for them because they’re not as bad as the other party. Kind of like choosing the gas chamber or hanging.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 2:32:28 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: neverdem

Republicans won’t lose their base, though they deserve to, as long as the party elite keeps nominating frauds like Mitt Romney and getting people to ‘vote for the R’.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 2:33:16 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

YAY!!! Now we are finally hearing it. Where the heck were they BEFORE this election? Why didn’t we hear this when we were being sold down the river by the rino elite?


9 posted on 11/30/2012 2:35:05 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: neverdem
I've hung out with republicans as long as I could stand. They're useless dumbasses! I can tell everyone this, the stupid party is no longer a home for conservatives.

The GOP/RNC can go pound sand!

10 posted on 11/30/2012 2:37:17 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: neverdem

It’s already happened as proven by the last election. The GOP conservative base is gone, and the fools are doing everything possible to get rid of those still clinging to them.

Actually, the beltway GOP folks are probably intentionally keeping distance from conservatives and like values in order to keep the left wing media off their backs.

The time for a third party has never been better.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 2:51:09 PM PST by redfreedom (The spineless RINO's have made themselves irrelevent and lost the country for us.)
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To: Mamzelle

What are the rules for the structure of a 3rd party??

I am ready to change my 51 year long registration as a Republican & vote Tea Party if I have the chance.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 2:51:32 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: sirchtruth

It should all start upstream.

COnservaties should have told the media to mind their F’ing business while we picked a presidential candidate.

I am tired of the media selecting our RINO candidates who will either lose or follow the Democrat party line.

We should have stood beside Palin and Cain.


13 posted on 11/30/2012 2:55:16 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: All

Why don’t we hear conservatives talking about the Laffer curve? Has everybody forgotten the PROOF that decreasing taxes results in higher revenues for the government? Reagan did it, Kennedy did it, ad infinitim. And how about those millionaires leaving Britain, resulting in a loss of 7 billion pounds? Come on, Conservatives, do your research.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 2:59:50 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: neverdem

3rd party gets us nothing but further marginalization. If drastic action is needed, which it is, secession is the only logical option. I support it.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 3:02:53 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Tzimisce
I think Republicans lost the election BECAUSE they're not listening to their base...

Once again the tax slaves - the working people - had no one to vote FOR. The Republicans just toss them an old, dry bone once in a while (so they can feed their own children).


The politicians and freeloaders get richer and richer while the tax slaves get poorer and poorer.



16 posted on 11/30/2012 3:04:45 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Tzimisce

I disagree. The Republican party IS listening to their base. Their base being the liberal, Northeast Ivy League elite that think conservatives are something that should be seen in a zoo.
I still wonder when the conservatives in the country are going to learn, the Republican party hates us damn near as much as the Democrats do and tolerate us only to get any funds or votes we can produce.


17 posted on 11/30/2012 3:05:40 PM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Don Corleone
The Republicans have already lost their “Base”.

What the GOP is and has been trying to do for years is build a new base. They hate that we are their base now and wish they could get rid of us. You see they find conservatives and evangelicals embarrassing. They pander to them a little, as little as possible, then try to govern in such a way as to attract center-left moderates. This is what they want to be as a party, they want to be able to rub shoulders with movie stars and authors and professors and tycoons and talk about how socially responsible they are. They sure don't want to be stuck having to go to church and talk about stopping abortion. Uh uh!

No, they want to have a party where people like us are a small fringe that they can ignore and safely count on to show up because the democrats are somehow worse.

Their problem isn't that they lost us, not that's the plan. Their problem is that they didnt replace us with anything. The fact that they can't close that sale with the moderates is maddening to them. They blame us for that because they say we turn off the moderates and it makes them resent us all the more. Nevermind that they keep running "moderates" who not only can't bring in their fellow moderates (i.e. liberals who are embarrassed to admit it) but also fail to energize the base. No, it's our fault. First we scare away the lefties then we have the gall to not show up like good mind numbed robots and vote for them! And all the while their pets like Rove and Steve Smith and McCain spit in our faces frequently and openly.

I used to think the talk of a fracture in the GOP coalition was liberal talk to try to drive a wedge. I think it was at one time but I think the open contempt for conservatives is winning out and we ought to let them have the party, let them pursue their new base while we look to create our own identity outside the GOP.

18 posted on 11/30/2012 3:06:36 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Mamzelle
Maybe the time is for the Unthinkable. Third Party.

Maybe. Too many pubbies are just economic fools.

19 posted on 11/30/2012 3:12:07 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Reagan didn't leave the democrat party. The democrat party left him.

Conservatives didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican party left them.

20 posted on 11/30/2012 3:13:59 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: neverdem

NEVER MIND WHAT THE SENATORS HAVE TO SAY!

I appreciate John Fund’s articles, he’s the best reporter by far. But the House is where the action is and I wish he, of all people, realized it and would give us more insight!

And to Republican politicians: “real spending cuts for real debt, real spending cuts for real taxes.”
It’s just not that hard.


21 posted on 11/30/2012 3:24:45 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

The way to a repubs heart is through his pocket book.

Cut off THEIR funds by eliminating your contributions and then they start to hear you. We did that here at our house and got some personal calls asking “what happened”. A simple answer was, “You no longer represent me or the conservative people. Until you do, NO MORE DONATIONS!”

Amazing how they take us for granted all the time.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 3:31:19 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: neverdem

We also need to make it clear to those who call themselves conservatives that contributing cover and support to the GOP BY THE RANK AND FILE is also very much the problem. And we need a clean break from those types as well.

You have all seen them. Those who call liberal ideas and candidates ‘conservative’. Plenty infest every remotely conservative site on the web, including this one.

We can be serious about who and what we are and believe, or we can keep playing this pathetic game.

I have made my choice. Time for many here to man up and make theirs.

We either believe in principle or we do not. And those who do not cannot by definition be ‘conservative.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 3:35:08 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: neverdem

Please, please, PLEASE keep Boehner’s feet to the fire!


24 posted on 11/30/2012 3:37:56 PM PST by stevem
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To: concerned about politics

This time around they gave us all the finger now it is our turn to do the same. Put the frog in the water on low boil


25 posted on 11/30/2012 3:38:32 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: neverdem

Funny...the RNC called here the other evening looking for a handout.

Told them if they had not realized it yet, they soon will. The RNC is over, so yesterday, and will do battle against a third party very soon.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 3:38:32 PM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: neverdem

The GOP should be sounding like this:

Bill Whittle Advice on how to respond to Obama propaganda Press questions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryv7PzyCmVA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCNr94bG-o&feature=player_embedded#!


27 posted on 11/30/2012 3:42:07 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

BILL WHITTLE FOR PRESIDENT 2016......


28 posted on 11/30/2012 3:52:22 PM PST by annieokie
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To: neverdem

29 posted on 11/30/2012 3:59:19 PM PST by Baynative
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To: pepsi_junkie

The “R’s” lost this country when they stood by and did nothing about immigration. If they hate whites and natives so much, they can KMA.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 3:59:36 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the links.


31 posted on 11/30/2012 4:17:46 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
The moderates of the GOP-e continue to marginalize the conservatives because they have in their armor, one thing. They say where else will those suckers go. The party likes no friction. Conservatives fight..I think they wanted to win this election more than we know. It would have given them a new image of the Republican party that many up there so desire. I recall not only HW Bush taking aim at Sarah Palin but Barbara Bush as well. She and George were in the WH, with the moral majority's help. Palin stands for every good decent value to millions of people. Those people are uppity and they are fearful of a person of conviction. Yes, they are losing the base. Can they get back the ones who left? Time will tell.Imo.
32 posted on 11/30/2012 4:17:52 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: neverdem

The “Big Tent” is a mirage that has lead the GOP-E into the desert. These Haww-vard educated idiots thought that they could out-lib the Demonrats and all that effort accomplished was to drive the Democrat Party into the swamp of communism. It the RHINOs succeed in raising taxes they will lose their base and possibly doom the Republican Party to extinction.


33 posted on 11/30/2012 4:20:30 PM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
We should have stood beside Palin and Cain.

republicans are too stupid to do this. This why I am no longer a republican or support any of them!

34 posted on 11/30/2012 4:46:23 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Mamzelle

With lobbyist bag man bonehead as the GOP leader then
Third party is an option !
Bonehead base are DC lobbyists and So are Saxby , Grahnesty ( Hess oil owns him ) , crook
corker ,and Mitchy !
Lobbyist bag men all of them


35 posted on 11/30/2012 5:05:29 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: MestaMachine
YAY!!! Now we are finally hearing it. Where the heck were they BEFORE this election? Why didn’t we hear this when we were being sold down the river by the rino elite?

Because the sheeple had already spoken. Everyone claimed they were "done" and they weren't going to support "RINOS" anymore after the McCain't fiasco. Then Myth Romney was nominated. And anyone that said they weren't going to support him was branded an 0bama supporter, communist, ignorant, selfish etc.

"conservatives" sold themselves down the river so "the lesser of two evils," or "at least a Republican" would win. Principles are only matters of convenience and bargaining chips to be squandered away for the sake of "our guy" winning an election.

It's how "conservatives" justify calling Myth Romney "pro-life," "pro-family," and pro-gun rights.

Even though he supports abortion; queers in the Boy Scouts, queers in the military, and queer "marriage;" and supported, pushed for, and signed anti-gun legislation.

But claiming he has "evolved" or outright ignoring the truth helps them sleep at night.

But, not to worry at least we have those awesome "conservatives" in the House that were going to "hold Mitt's feet to the fire." I mean look how great they're doing. /s

Further, there is no such thing as a "RINO"....aka a Republican In Name Only.......being a spineless, nutless, pandering, welch without morals or principles IS the Stupid Party (R) platform. A true "RINO" would actually have conservative principles.

But so long as those that supposedly do have conservative values continue to vote for and support the Stupid Party (R), the Stupid Party has little incentive to change.

36 posted on 11/30/2012 5:15:28 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: neverdem

The Republican Party Beltway elites really do want to lose the base so they can be the Donkey’s buddies at the back if the bus. These RINOs really don’t want to lead; all they want is to be loved by the media, go to parties, go to golf outings, and enjoy the perks of a “kept” opposition party. The RINOs do NOT want to win anything.


37 posted on 11/30/2012 6:11:35 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Tzimisce; neverdem; All

I think Republicans lost the election BECAUSE they’re not listening to their base..


Lost last 2 Pres elections because they ignore the base...

Good for Bozell, Perkins, and others to step up

The GOPe need to pull their heads out of their collective hindparts and get conservative...or else just join the DNC.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 7:08:49 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: neverdem

Good advice, but it will (only) do one bit of good, if the GOP turns around and supports AMERICAN MANUFACTURING.

Build it in America.

Whatever it is. Build it in the USA.

Just saying.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 7:11:17 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: pepsi_junkie; Mamzelle; redfreedom; concerned about politics; Norm Lenhart; All; ...
pepsi says: I used to think the talk of a fracture in the GOP coalition was liberal talk to try to drive a wedge. I think it was at one time but I think the open contempt for conservatives is winning out and we ought to let them have the party, let them pursue their new base while we look to create our own identity outside the GOP.

Mamzelle says: Maybe the time is for the Unthinkable. Third Party.

Redfreedom says: The time for a third party has never been better.

Concerned says: Once again the tax slaves - the working people - had no one to vote FOR. The Republicans just toss them an old, dry bone once in a while (so they can feed their own children).

Norm Lenhart says: Those who call liberal ideas and candidates ‘conservative’. Plenty infest every remotely conservative site on the web, including this one. We can be serious about who and what we are and believe, or we can keep playing this pathetic game.

Repeat Offender says: "conservatives" sold themselves down the river so "the lesser of two evils," or "at least a Republican" would win. Principles are only matters of convenience and bargaining chips to be squandered away for the sake of "our guy" winning an election. It's how "conservatives" justify calling Myth Romney "pro-life," "pro-family," and pro-gun rights. Even though he supports abortion; queers in the Boy Scouts, queers in the military, and queer "marriage;" and supported, pushed for, and signed anti-gun legislation. But claiming he has "evolved" or outright ignoring the truth helps them sleep at night.

Christie says: The moderates of the GOP-e continue to marginalize the conservatives because they have in their armor, one thing. They say where else will those suckers go.

Functional liberal Democrat Romney is the apex of Republican folly. What the hell is the point of being a Republican if Romney represents you? Yet that damned guy is a friggin' vampire. And there are more throughout the party -- big government statists who determine "rights" the Founders stated came only from God. So Government grants such "rights" as the "right" to health insurance and health care, the "right" of atheists to live without city-funded Christmas decorations, and the "right" of homosexuals to force adoption agencies to accommodate them if a "married" couple wants to adopt. When government starts usurping God in dictating morality, society becomes immoral. The Founders knew this.

The only way to ditch Romney and his ilk is to leave the party. And if the rat bastard tries to register in the new party, he should be kicked to the curb. The hardest fight is going to be choosing a third party to rally around. I fancy the Constitution party myself, not because I know anything about its platform, but because its very name as an immediately communicated third party concept with across-the-board appeal to Americans who are sick and tired of government dictating their morality, their charity, their health care, their income, their retirement, their very homes and property rights -- a party philosophy built around the concept of restoring Constitutional liberty and right to self-determination is a solid rallying point.

Americans are mostly a moral, good people, and honest elections would reflect this. There's a long road to fight, but I kinda think a third party, much feared, is the way to go if only to ditch Romney and the political gangrene he represents.

40 posted on 11/30/2012 7:13:05 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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41 posted on 11/30/2012 7:14:27 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Finny

I was never a Romney hater and I resent you characterizing my comment as hating. I think a Romney win would have been a sign of God’s grace, which I fear has been withdrawn from a sinful nation. He was not my first choice, of course, but I voted for him. And I believe a majority of America voted for him and our present infestation is a usurper. I’m thinking Third Party simply because we have little left to lose.


42 posted on 11/30/2012 7:27:01 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: neverdem

RINO File.


43 posted on 11/30/2012 7:37:37 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Finny
Amen. It is so amazing how in the run-up to an election the most liberal candidate possible is on the ballot yet the wagons are circled and anyone that points out the candidates flaws is attacked. Yet after the fact so many try to pretend otherwise and finger point.

I unabashedly state I DID NOT vote for Myth, nor will I vote for his GOPE brethren. And that is because I still believe in representative government in this country and they do not represent me. Not the Reagan 75% "I'm your guy" metric; not even 50%

Not on abortion, gay "marriage" (in the military/Boy Scouts etc), taxes, gun rights, foreign policy (arming AQ in Syria etc), not on healthcare, education etc - nary a peep was mentioned in the debates about Benghazi or Fast and Furious to name a few. Many of the issues they don't even care about so they either A - pay lip service to the base or B - pander rather than researching and taking a stand

I feel I am beginning to sound like a broken record but I will reiterate once again that I have posted multiple times the platforms that Myth Romney supports are near the same as those supported by Hillary Clinton [the aforementioned issues] (and 0bama). So the questions I have posed:

If Hillary became an (R) and was running against 0 would you vote for her?

If so/not why/why not?

Not one of the lesser of two evils supporters stuck around to answer.

And the reason is because it destroys every premise they have for throwing their ballot in support of Myth and the other posers in the Stupid Party (R).

Instead it seems many want to poke fun at having any type of principles or moral absolutes and clamor for a 'bigger tent'. The platform needs to change, the base/voters needs to change, we need to reach out to this group or that group and compromise to support xxxxx liberal agenda. How about the party changes (to the platform it is chartered to stand for), or we do away with it?

Conservatives are so ready to boycott JCP, Starbucks, and Target because they support the homo agenda - yet will try to rally support for Myth; why?

Every day the list grows of businesses and media conservatives claim they refuse to support - yet the vote for, and give money to, candidates that support the very things conservatives are claiming to boycott.

Hell, the Wounded Warrior Project was trying to keep a non-political focus and strictly focus on providing assistance to wounded vets yet FReepers were lining up to deride them for not wanting to go on a pro-gun radio show and be viewed as supporting one political cause over another (even though WWP sponsors shooting and hunting events)......and yet

When he ran for the Senate and for governor, he supported a ban on assault rifles and the Brady Bill's five-day waiting period for gun purchases. He proudly said those positions wouldn't make him "the hero of the NRA." As governor, he made Massachusetts the first state to permanently ban assault weapons. He has even flip-flopped about whether he owns any guns. In New Hampshire, he was asked his view on the Second Amendment. He responded that he had been a hunter "pretty much all my life." Later, red-faced aides of Romney had to admit that Romney had never had a hunting license, and under further questioning, Romney acknowledged that his "lifetime of hunting" was having shot at some birds during a Republican governors meeting during a fund-raising event and maybe shooting at "small varmints" when he was seventeen with his cousin.....

Is the guy you voted for.

Selling the rope to hang ourselves with indeed.

44 posted on 11/30/2012 8:01:57 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Mamzelle

I was never a Romney hater (supported him after Palin dropped out) but the fact is virtually everyone who supported Romney did so as a less then optimum second choice.

It is no wonder he didn’t win.

Next time, we need a true, live and inspiring leader.

Either Republican or something else, what is important though is nominating someone who people can from their hearts, vote for with enthusiasm.


45 posted on 11/30/2012 8:09:01 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Finny

We can leave the GOP (I have) or ‘we’ collectively speaking, need to sit down and STFU because by our actions in light of the GOP’s behavior, ‘we’ must want to be the right wing plantation dwellers.

That simple folks. All the ‘feet to the fire’ talk is bs and we all know it. But some still refuse to believe their lyin’ eyes and ears.

The enemy is us. I am sick and tired of repeating the facts to the willfully deaf. We can hang together as conservatives and BE conservatives or just admit we are the GOP and we want liberalism.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 8:23:24 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tzimisce

“I think Republicans lost the election BECAUSE they’re not listening to their base...”

True. The deciding factor was because a chunk of their base stayed home.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 8:53:01 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Next Mitt Romney:GOP Establishment trumpets another Great Moderate Hope -- Jeb Bush

Target: Old White Men

Conservatives Must Learn the Dark Arts of Image Manipulation

McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan

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48 posted on 12/01/2012 12:30:46 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Next Mitt Romney:GOP Establishment trumpets another Great Moderate Hope -- Jeb Bush

Target: Old White Men

Conservatives Must Learn the Dark Arts of Image Manipulation

McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

49 posted on 12/01/2012 12:31:48 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 12/01/2012 7:43:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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