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California Is About To Get Pummeled With Rivers Of Rain (Like, Not Since 1861)
TBI ^ | 11-30-2012 | Mark Fischetti, Scientific American

Posted on 11/30/2012 3:04:06 PM PST by blam

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51 posted on 11/30/2012 6:42:27 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: BMCinSC
Oh, cry me a river. Its winter in No Cal. It rains.

Such erudition! Such a deep local knowledge!! Wow, aren't you informed, not.

I suggest you take a gander at William Brewer's account of the 1862 deluge (the article is wrong about the date). During those storms, the entire Sacramento and San Joaquin Valleys formed the equivalent of an inland sea; they were entirely under water. The highest point in Sacramento was under two feet of water. Steamers could run 14 miles beyond the river banks. Ain't facts a pain?

52 posted on 11/30/2012 7:00:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: BMCinSC

Be advised the the magazine Scientific American may still be printed here in America, but its “scientific” part is questionable. Case in point: The flood was in 1862, not 1861.

While it would be nice of San Fransicko and Latin America were washed away, it won’t happen. Something about EPA not being happy with that level of river and ocean pollution.

But, if the Muslims force another Arab-Israel war, just imagine the EPA vexation over the released pollutants such as ground up Muslim which will result from the Aswan High Dam being nuked.


53 posted on 11/30/2012 7:27:05 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
" Be advised the the magazine Scientific American may still be printed here in America, but its “scientific” part is questionable. "

I cancelled my subscription 6-7 years ago. I told them when they stopped doing politics and got back to science, I'd reconsider another subscription.

54 posted on 11/30/2012 7:45:19 PM PST by blam
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To: forgotten man

There are tons of Pelican, Cormorant, and seal crap piled on the rocks. You can smell it a mile away.

Wow, now that should draw the tourists into town.


55 posted on 11/30/2012 8:09:13 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: blam
The great deluge was not in 1861, but in January of 1862 when there was over 24" of rain in Sacramento, compared to the usual 2-4". When the rain is warm, it melts the accumulated snow and the mess is horrific. Yet the mining of the Gold Rush had raised the river bottoms as well. So the 24" floods in the highest points of the Sacramento Valley in 1862 were due to a combination of factors less likely today because of dams and admittedly aging and inadequate flood control projects. See the link in post 52.

Rains like this at this time of the year are far less of a threat because the snowpack has not yet accumulated.

56 posted on 11/30/2012 8:59:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: blam

Basic BS.

I’ve lived in Northern CA since about 1982. There were significant storms that year. Lots of flooding - lots of houses slipping off their foundations to visit their neighbors. All of this due to El Nino.

Guess what - 1984 was worse!

The storms were not THAT intense!

We’ve had Februarys where it rained all but one day of the month. Sometimes we DO get rain.

It’s called WEATHER.


57 posted on 11/30/2012 10:02:33 PM PST by fremont_steve
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To: Carry_Okie; blam
Plus, the American River watershed is very wide spread with three forks all three of which are very steep and short compared to typical rivers around the world. The surge, even with multiple hydro-electric dams come up really fast and that is why it's still such a threat to Sacramento's and the Bay Delta's levees.

In the control room at Folsom Dam you can see the schematic for the whole watershed and notice the Auburn Dam above Folsom that was stopped by liberals when it was 2/3rds completed in 1977. It's now just a monument to stupidity of militant activist EnvironMentalists!!!

Carry_Okie's comment on the timing is precisely correct because it really isn't a true "Pineapple Express" until there's a massive snow pack being drenched with a warm river of rain falling on that Sierra Cement, making it race to the bottom...

58 posted on 11/30/2012 10:04:08 PM PST by SierraWasp (Blessed are they who prospect, dig & drill, for they are the primary producers of new, real wealth!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I wonder what Donnor Pass looks like...Hang On.
59 posted on 11/30/2012 10:10:35 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ( Your life is like a coin, you can spend it on what ever you want, but you can only spend it once.)
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To: skeeter

LOL great job!


60 posted on 11/30/2012 10:25:45 PM PST by thecodont
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To: blam

Hope some of that rain makes it to the Midwest particularly the Mississippi River which is about to shut down.


61 posted on 11/30/2012 10:29:51 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: tubebender

Dang I’m getting old. I was five in 64. I remember a house full of people as we lived on a hill just out of Orick. I didn’t know that was a thousand year flood. Has it been a thousand years already? Time sure flies.


62 posted on 11/30/2012 10:33:43 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: fremont_steve

I live in Sonoma County. I seem to remember maybe 5 or 6 years ago it raining CONSTANTLY in January. What a pain in the butt that was. The flooding in Marin County and Petaluma was something awful.

Weather... what are ya gonna do.


63 posted on 11/30/2012 10:52:00 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: SierraWasp
Carry_Okie's comment on the timing is precisely correct because it really isn't a true "Pineapple Express" until there's a massive snow pack being drenched with a warm river of rain falling on that Sierra Cement, making it race to the bottom...

Which renders the article another error-riddled piece of grant-mongering screaming "CLIMATE CHANGE" on the heels of Sandy. IOW the content is more appropriate for a carnival barker than the "Scientific" American.

64 posted on 11/30/2012 11:19:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: wny

Ca does tax rainfall that lands on some commercial property. A friend who retired to Nevada had a truck company and every time rain hit his lot he got a tax bill of sorts for the pollution of the trucks oil going into the sewers or ome such stuff. Insane!


65 posted on 11/30/2012 11:39:48 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Ca does tax rainfall that lands on some commercial property. A friend who retired to Nevada had a truck company and every time rain hit his lot he got a tax bill of sorts for the pollution of the trucks oil going into the sewers or ome such stuff. Insane!


66 posted on 11/30/2012 11:39:59 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The Sky is Falling!! The Sky is Falling!!
Turns out, I was right. Just a normal rain for No Cal.
Keep reading your magazines. They make you sound so smart.


67 posted on 12/10/2012 7:55:54 AM PST by BMCinSC
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To: BMCinSC
Turns out, I was right. Just a normal rain for No Cal.

Excuse me idiot, I never predicted a monstrous storm. You were indicating that such risks didn't exist and I proved otherwise.

Keep reading your magazines. They make you sound so smart.

Brewer's diary of the events in 1862 was no magazine, but an eyewitness account by a qualified expert. I was just as critical of Scientific American's grant mongering tale of doom as anyone else here, of course, if you had R-E-A-D the thread (four posts above) you would know that. Instead...

I suggest you take up reading. It might make you smart enough to have avoided making an a$$ of yourself.

Might.

68 posted on 12/10/2012 8:31:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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So, you call me an ‘idiot’ and an ‘a$$’ and suggest that I don’t read. What color is the sky (that’s falling) in your world? Oh, that’s right, you’re too busy reading to see that the sky isn’t falling. Get back on your meds friend.


69 posted on 12/10/2012 10:03:54 AM PST by BMCinSC
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What color is the sky (that’s falling) in your world?

For the third time, idiot, I never said the sky was falling.

70 posted on 12/10/2012 10:54:40 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: BMCinSC; GladesGuru
What color is the sky (that’s falling) in your world?

As I suggested in post 56 above, the chances of an event like that in 1862 are exceedingly UNlikely. "Rains like this at this time of the year are far less of a threat because the snowpack has not yet accumulated."

Here is another example from before the storm where I indicated that it was unlikely to be the cause of a flood: "We're supposedly due for about six inches of rain between midnight and noon, which would be hardly unusual."Clearly, I did not think or say that the sky is falling, quite the contrary.

Yet since you quite clearly cannot read, you persist in this stupidity.

Oh, that’s right, you’re too busy reading to see that the sky isn’t falling.

Contrary to your assertion, in post 64 I CASTIGATED the source article from The Scientific American: "Which renders the article another error-riddled piece of grant-mongering screaming "CLIMATE CHANGE" on the heels of Sandy. IOW the content is more appropriate for a carnival barker than the "Scientific" American."

Which renders your post completely false. Had you read the thread, you would know that.

So, no, I didn't believe the magazine. I never said there was an imminent deluge; I merely proved to you that a serious flood in Northern California is POSSIBLE. Yes, you quite clearly do not R-E-A-D and yes, you are an idiot.

GG, this is an example of why I'm tired of FR. Twelve years, and it just keeps getting worse.

71 posted on 12/10/2012 11:55:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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You cited some thing from a hundred and fifty years ago that you thought was relevant to the (then) upcoming No Cal storm. But you didn’t think that it was possible? WTF? After twelve years, maybe its time you did take a break — but at a minimum, tone down the condescending attitude and knock off calling other Freepers names just because you disagree with them. Have a good one.


72 posted on 12/10/2012 5:46:24 PM PST by BMCinSC
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To: blam

I hope it makes it all the way across to Texas, we need it!


73 posted on 12/10/2012 5:52:33 PM PST by Ditter
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To: BMCinSC
You cited some thing from a hundred and fifty years ago that you thought was relevant to the (then) upcoming No Cal storm.

It was a relevant event BECAUSE THE ARTICLE CITED IT. The phenomenon the article is talking about DOES have that potential, but not at this time of year. In the case of conditions similar to 1862, yes, that potential for a massive flood exists. Hence your 'rain in Northern California, so what' comment, was in need of correction with the historical record of what 'rain in Northern California' can do.

But you didn’t think that it was possible? WTF?

Not this time of year. Gad are you dense.

74 posted on 12/10/2012 6:55:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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