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Should Republicans just put forth Simpson-Bowles for the fiscal cliff? ^ | 11/30/2012 | Mary Katherine Ham

Posted on 11/30/2012 7:39:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind

My friend Guy Benson and I were talking about this idea the other night, and I liked it when compared to all our other dismal options. It was also the same night we saw "Lincoln," so I wondered if we were high on celluloid optimism about what's possible in politics.

But Guy fleshed out the idea in this must-read post today, and I think he’s onto something. You should go over there to read the whole thing, but here's the gist:

Of the commission’s 18 members, six Democrats and five Republicans endorsed the final document, while the seven ‘no’ votes split four-to-three along Left/Right ideological lines. Paul Ryan was the most prominent opponent of the plan. The eleven-member ‘yes’ camp was ideologically diverse, ranging from Sen. Tom Coburn on the right to Sen. Dick Durbin on the left. Like many conservatives, I continue to harbor significant concerns about various elements of the plan. I’m troubled by some of the tax provisions, especially the revenue cap at 21 percent of GDP (far higher than the historical average of 18 percent). The defense cuts are also worrisome, as is the fact that despite some cuts and tinkering, Medicare — the largest long-term driver of our debt — escapes a desperately needed overhaul. The framework also assumes the retention of Obamacare, which Paul Ryan has cited as a primary cause of his ‘no’ vote. But here is today’s reality: (1) Unhappy tax news is coming, one way or the other. The president is not budging. (2) The fall election guaranteed that Obamacare is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. (3) Sequestration’s defense cuts would be even more punishing and abrupt than Simpson/Bowles reductions. (4) Democrats have shown themselves to be totally unserious about any reforms or reductions to entitlements. In short, even if the major players manage to hammer out an eleventh-hour deal before January 1, it’s probably going to reek. It will have been negotiated in secret, and will almost certainly be jammed through in a rushed and unsavory fashion. This is no way to govern.

Simpson-Bowles, for all its faults, was conducted in an open and transparent manner and brought disparate political players into a room to forge a serious compromise. It overhauls and streamlines our byzantine tax code, takes some important first steps on entitlements, and reduces and caps federal spending. On substance, I’d wager that it would be considerably better than anything Obama and Boehner might produce after weeks of behind-closed-doors acrimony with the proverbial gun to their heads. Politically, it paints Democrats into a tough corner. Republicans could make a grand show of reluctantly supporting Simpson-Bowles for the betterment of the country. Ideally, the press conference would be led by Paul Ryan, who might explain why he voted against the plan as a commissioner, but is now willing to set aside some of his strong ideological preferences to move the nation forward. They would remind viewers that the proposal they’re now backing only exists because President Obama specifically and publicly asked for it. Plus, more Democrats than Republicans voted for it, including Harry Reid’s top lieutenant in the Senate. Put simply, Simpson-Bowles represents the very embodiment of bipartisan collaboration and problem solving — precisely the sort of thing “moderates,” the media, and the public are always demanding. It would be exceedingly difficult for Democrats to paint the plan as radical or draconian in light of the commission’s origins and participants. The GOP’s “party of no” problem would also be hugely diminished; after all, they would have just signed on to the president’s commission, with the previously recalcitrant Paul Ryan magnanimously leading the way. It would be fascinating to watch the president and his allies try to denounce and reject the very proposal he called for.

There are things I don’t like about Simpson-Bowles, though I’ve never been a hater. I think the country would have benefited if President Obama had ever shown enough leadership to address some of its recommendations, and said so on “The O’Reilly Factor” in January 2011. Despite its faults, it comes closer to reckoning with our real problems than Obama ever has. There are other plans I would like more than Simpson-Bowles. But here’s the thing. Simpson-Bowles is far more responsible than what President Obama is currently offering and probably far better than a slapped together grand bargain made by Obama and Speaker Boehner behind closed doors as a deadline closes in. It was created in a more transparent process, and though it certainly focuses more on revenues vs. spending than I’d like, it gives Republicans some of the trade-offs they’re hoping for in a deal with Obama— some simplification of the tax code, some entitlement reform, a cap on spending as a percentage of GDP.

It is also a fully formed plan with on-the-record bipartisan support and near-universal acceptance as “reasonable” and “sober” by the media and Beltway types. A lot of that is lip service from folks who felt rather certain the plan would never be seriously considered, but it still makes it hard to frame Republicans as obstinate obstructionists when they offer up the plan of none other than Mssrs. Simpson and Bowles. On the other hand, liberals hate it. Paul Krugman:

So, a public service reminder: Simpson-Bowles is terrible. It mucks around with taxes, but is obsessed with lowering marginal rates despite a complete absence of evidence that this is important. It offers nothing on Medicare that isn’t already in the Affordable Care Act. And it raises the Social Security retirement age because life expectancy has risen — completely ignoring the fact that life expectancy has only gone up for the well-off and well-educated, while stagnating or even declining among the people who need the program most.

Cue the Democratic infighting. The president has been avoiding this plan like the plague since his own commission finished it, but it is still his commission. Rejecting it out of hand to allow liberals to continue living in debt denial might be a move so irresponsible as to make even the press notice. Republicans would demonstrate they know the calculus in Washington has changed, but that doesn’t mean they must make a flagrantly irresponsible deal when a more responsible one is available.

This idea got a good reception in the Greenroom, when I half-expected it to get torched, which seems to me an indicator that all-important conservative constituents might not be as opposed to something like this as Republican leaders might think they are. But have at it in the comments, here. I’m anxious to see what y’all think.

In the end, it does seem a more philosophically palatable way to change the course of a very bad political situation. And, in the end, the part that’s really important— I think it’d genuinely be better for the country if something like Simpson-Bowles were to pass instead of us going over the cliff or adopting some terrible deal. Worth a thought.

Exit question (Allahpundit™): Who foretold this? Why, Ed Morrissey, of course.

And, read this great, comprehensive Allahpundit post for a flashback to reaction as Simpson-Bowles was first announced. Pelosi: “Unacceptable.”

Update: In addition to general concerns about the contents of Simpson-Bowles, I should add the very reasonable worry some have voiced in comments at the Greenroom, which is that if you make Simpson-Bowles your opening offer, it just turns into a worse Simpson-Bowles by the time a deal is final. Yep, worries me too. But I think Republicans would certainly be on much more solid negotiating ground touting this plan and saying they’ve done lots of compromising than where they stand now. Thoughts?

Update: Food for thought for the “let it burn” crowd, of which my id is intermittently a member. Howard Dean is, too, because it gives him everything he wants. Yikes.

Update: Please also read Randall Hoven, who did a good, detailed write-up of this idea earlier this week. I had not seen it until it was mentioned in comments, or I would have linked it above.

As it is, Obama can wash his hands of it, saying even the commission itself did not pass it. But if it passes, Obama must own it. If Republican congressmen Paul Ryan, Jeb Hensarling, and Dave Camp would switch their votes, it would be enough to pass that hot potato to the Democrats. They should say, “the people spoke on November 6″ and that they listened to the voice of the American people telling us all to work together, yadda yadda. Then let the Democrats own what comes after.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; fiscalcliff; republicans; simpsonbowles

1 posted on 11/30/2012 7:39:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 11/30/2012 7:41:06 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. Just because the dems will never vote for their own Commission’s plan.

3 posted on 11/30/2012 7:45:31 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: SeekAndFind
Surely this 'fiscal cliff' is a bunch of panacea bull$hit? If these so called leaders sat on their asses for the last six months and did nothing to solve a potential financial catastrophe, the SOB's should all be fired and let's start over!!!!!!

Like the fella from down south said, "There is too much politickin goin on here!!!!!!"

4 posted on 11/30/2012 7:45:31 PM PST by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’ll have to excuse me a bit, but I’m only one hour removed from a Mark Levine podcast.

What this means is, I don’t care what they do about the fiscal cliff. I don’t care what sort of smoke and mirrors are presented or what the government or uninformed individuals think the government can do.

The constitution belongs to Me - me as in WE. We the People. Little people place a lot of power in Bambi’s hands because he won an election. You know what? Winning an election does not trump the constitutional restraints placed upon the powers.

Whatever they decide is fine by me. Let it crash and burn or play little games.

I will not be misled.

5 posted on 11/30/2012 7:48:58 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws
I don’t care what they do about the fiscal cliff.

I'm with you on that. I only have one request from the Republican House. They can give Obama anything he wants as long as they hold fast on one simple thing:


Out of this whole mess, this is the only thing that Obama wants. DO NOT GIVE IT TO HIM!

6 posted on 11/30/2012 8:19:57 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: SeekAndFind
Grover Norquist claimed that Simpson-Bowles was NOT a fully fleshed out plan, but just a framework.

Is this another example of Norquist weasliness, or is he right and Simpson-Bowles is DOA?

7 posted on 11/30/2012 8:26:39 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Hoodat

You do know the house republicans will cave fully don’t you? Why torture yourself over a dog and pony show?

The blame is set, if whatever works the libs take credit, it whatever fails the repubs get the blame. Get in step comrade!

8 posted on 11/30/2012 8:30:34 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh heck, if we do this I won’t have the entertainment of watching that old coot Rino Simpson go off the deep end of bitterness, rage and insanity.

He has such an entertaining sour puss and it’s always amazing how he can think of so many reasons to blame everything on Republicans and nothing on the Socialists.

9 posted on 11/30/2012 8:31:17 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind

Not a bad idea. But it should be done in a way to damage the Democrats politically as much as possible without having Republicans formally committing to it. After all, Democrats are out to destroy the Republican Party now, so there’s nothing unfair about doing this.

10 posted on 11/30/2012 8:34:08 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the pubbies should go on vacation and wait for b.o. to offer a plan
then laugh and reject it.

11 posted on 11/30/2012 8:41:48 PM PST by genghis
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To: henkster
LEAD!!! Spending is the problem. So this is simple. Implement the Paul Mac Penney plan. Freeze the budget. No increases, no baseline budget nonsense. The next year cut spending one percent from the frozen budget, across the board. Shared sacrifice. What could be more fair? Keep this up until the budget is in surplus and the debt is coming down. Use continuous process improvement methodologies to get the bureaucrats to find waste. Give them say ten percent of what they save. Bet we find a lot of waste. This approach is workable, reasonable, and can capture the imagination of the public. The rest of the beltway nonsense is complete bovine excrement. If the dims won't buy it we tried.

If the pubbies don't have enough spine to really fight for this then the next best thing is to do nothing. The dims made us put in the bush tax cut expiration. Make them own the tax increases that result. When the time for the debt ceiling increases comes don't raise it. Period. Better to get it over with sooner than later. We'll be in less debt that way.

Implementing the Paul Mac plan will save the nation through the fairness of shared sacrifice. The second option may save the nation but there will be great civil unrest. Allowing the dims to have their way will certainly destroy the nation and probably a good portion of the population. Washington has brought the nation to the brink of ruin. If we cross the brink Washington will be held accountable.

12 posted on 11/30/2012 8:52:35 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: SeekAndFind

In 2014 we’re going to see a massacre at the polls that will make 2010 look like a fluke.

All politics is local they say, look for a huge surge in tea party activism come spring as the economy continues to decline.

We can’t do much about individuals that vote themselves federal pie. Thomas Jefferson warned us.


Our last stand will be state’s rights, and in spite of Pharoah Obama getting a second term, this is will be where the battles are fought in THE GREAT WAR.

13 posted on 11/30/2012 9:14:36 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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