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House passes bill to cancel diversity visa lottery
Washington Times ^ | November 30, 2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/01/2012 3:32:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The House voted Friday to cancel the annual diversity visa lottery and give those immigration visas to high-tech foreign-born who earn advanced degrees from American universities, as Republicans powered through their chamber the first major immigration bill since the election.

The 245-139 vote was a test of the GOP’s plan to tackle immigration piecemeal, and while the bill passed, the strong opposition from Democrats suggests that Republicans’ strategy will face difficult hurdles.

And while the chief selling point of the bill was to boost green cards given to science, technology, engineering and technology students, the bigger fight came over Republicans’ plans to cancel the diversity visa lottery, which the GOP argues is rife with fraud.

“We want to put to the head of the line the people who, every single one of them that comes, net creates jobs,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican, who managed the bill on the House floor.

Democrats, though, objected to making immigration a zero-sum equation, where any new visas would have to come at the expense of existing lines of immigration.

“I can’t support a bill that pits immigrant communities against each other,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, the ranking Democrat on the House immigration subcommittee......

....House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, who wrote the legislation, said the visa lottery invites fraud.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: achievers; aliens; entrepreneurs; immigration; selfstarters; successstories; visa
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

The GOP House will make progress by NOT retreating in the face of demagogues and charlatans.

1 posted on 12/01/2012 3:32:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hey Zoe, how does this bill pit immigrant communities against each other?


2 posted on 12/01/2012 3:36:04 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

DOA in the Senate, if not then at the Kenyans desk.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 3:40:24 AM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; Bullish; All
The final vote results
4 posted on 12/01/2012 3:48:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The dangerous Democrats want more welfare class immigrants. They have big families that follow them over, and they all vote Democrat to keep the free stuff coming.

America: Land of the Freeloader


5 posted on 12/01/2012 3:48:57 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The GOP does something right. Great news.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 4:26:00 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

As individuals a lot of them do good things but we seldom hear about them. My congressman is pretty firm but very quiet.


7 posted on 12/01/2012 4:32:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Over four decades late, but a good step.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 4:35:52 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Try this: ( sung to the tune of walkin in a winter wonderland)

Walkin in a Winter Wonderland.

Leftists sing, are you listening,
In Bohner’s brain, Reid is pi$$ing
A beautiful sight,
We’re happy tonight.
Walking in Obama’s wonderland.

Gone away is the budget,
All we can do, is try to nudge it
Obama sings a love song,
As we go along,
Walking in Obama’s wonderland.

In the meadow we can build Rice’s snowman,
Then pretend that she is Secretary State

She’ll say: Are you married?
We’ll say: No man,
But you can do the job
If thats your fate.

Later on, we’ll conspire,
As we dream by Reichstag fire
To face unafraid,
The treason we’ve made,
Walking in Obama’s wonderland.

In the meadow we can build a snowman,
And pretend that he’s Obama’s clown
We’ll have lots of fun with mister snowman,
Until the Constitution knocks Obama down.

When in debt, ain’t it thrilling,
Though your wallet gets a chilling
We’ll frolic and play,in the fascist way,
Walking in Obama’s wonderland.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 4:37:07 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

Not only a good idea....but puts the Dems on the defense

Do the Dems deny Legal Immigrants a right to continue to stay and work in the USA? Are the Dems racist if they do not

Most important is that this bill provides further benefits to LEGAL IMMIGRANTS....notably those who came to America LEGALLY for educational reasons under a STUDENT VISA.

Instead of DREAM ACT Illegal Alien Amnesty (which is an insult to real Student Visa International Students)...this type of bill is better....because it covers those already legally here (or previously on a Student Visa)


10 posted on 12/01/2012 5:04:17 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: txrefugee

“The dangerous Democrats want more welfare class immigrants.”

A goos number of these immigrants will vote Democrat anyway; the only difference is the quality of the jobs they take from Americans. Better-educated immigrants just take jobs from better-educated Americans.


11 posted on 12/01/2012 5:08:30 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Not only a good idea....but puts the Dems on the defense


Not entirely a good idea. Discourages Americans from going into Science, Tech, and Engineering by importing foreigners and keeping salaries low.

And, these guys will probably vote Democratic anyway.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 5:19:06 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

...... Discourages Americans ......

I would really like to see the enrollment stats of my alma mater to learn the percentage of white vs Asian engineering students.

I would guess there are many more Asians than when I was there 40 years ago.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 5:23:26 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was told last month that my IT contract would not be extended, then I found out I was being replaced with not 1 but 3 foreign workers, 2 Indians and a Russian.

I now have 25 leads, the hottest one is with my State's Obamacare implementation of the Health Information Exchange.

14 posted on 12/01/2012 5:32:14 AM PST by AU72
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
who earn advanced degrees from American universities

The stupid party doesn't know that American universities have become leftist indoctrination centers. The more time spent in them, the more leftist young pliable minds become. The GOP should instead insist on an IQ test of some kind and only give green cards to the top quintile. That certification test might lead to an implosion of the brick and mortar indoctrination centers for all students.

15 posted on 12/01/2012 5:36:39 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What in God's name is a "diversity visa lottery" and who's brain child was this? Why aren't we encouraging scientists , doctors, engineers and skilled workers to come here above all others?

We truly are doomed.

16 posted on 12/01/2012 5:39:04 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: bert
I would really like to see the enrollment stats of my alma mater to learn the percentage of white vs Asian engineering students.

I would guess there are many more Asians than when I was there 40 years ago.

That's more the fault of the public educational system than anything else. It's also due to the fact that the best and brightest nowadays see their best hope for a prosperous future as lawyers politicians or working for some government agency.

Just one man's opinion.

17 posted on 12/01/2012 5:43:56 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: AU72
being replaced with not 1 but 3 foreign workers, 2 Indians and a Russian.

Don't forget the new preferred vendor kickback the MBA bean counter dept. will be getting. The great thing about this though is you might be able to go offshore yourself, make a great living somewhere better and stop feeding the envy driven white man hating 51%. America has just experienced an inflection point. It's all downhill from here.

18 posted on 12/01/2012 5:57:25 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Cowboy Bob
Hey Zoe, how does this bill pit immigrant communities against each other?

She doesn't know. But the Dims have to say something.

19 posted on 12/01/2012 6:05:26 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

It pits the ignorant, uneducated, worthless, welfare consuming and malleable to become Democrat voters immigrant community; against the intelligent, educated, hard working and far more likely to become Republican immigrant community.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 6:53:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Be sure to give the muzzie’s first chance so they can return to their countries and work on their plans to destroy us. (sarc)


21 posted on 12/01/2012 6:56:50 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: AU72

Sounds like the IT industry in Boston where I’m working. Maybe it’s everywhere now.


22 posted on 12/01/2012 7:49:46 AM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: GreatRoad

It is in Boston!


23 posted on 12/01/2012 8:34:41 AM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

The IT community is small here - I’d be a riot if we had worked together before. I dont talk about politics at work. I spent 5 yrs at a Big Bank - the only American in the group. 10 Indians, 1 Russian. They kept me to understand the specs, written in English. What a nightmare that was!


24 posted on 12/01/2012 12:47:54 PM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The chance of this passing the Senate?

The chance the GOP would try to pass this stuff while they control the government??


25 posted on 12/01/2012 12:56:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cowboy Bob

In other words she opposes any limits on immigration


26 posted on 12/01/2012 12:58:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just had a thought... Make it a requirement for all immigrants (legal immigrants) to do service to the US when they first arrive - such as serve in the military, or some other such function.

I wonder how many people lining up for a diversity green card might change their mind if they discover they have to “earn” their way into the country...


27 posted on 12/02/2012 4:04:13 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: GreatRoad

“I spent 5 yrs at a Big Bank - the only American in the group. 10 Indians, 1 Russian.”

That sounded like one of my first jobs in junior college for an equity firm before I jumped to university. The strange part was the Indians wrote impeccable English memos and manuals but when it comes to verbal conversations, it was like I was on another planet and needed a Star Trek translator. Good chaps though..they really love strip clubs on payday.


28 posted on 12/02/2012 12:18:17 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A good start. The Republicans have to make it clear to everyone that they are not anti-immigration; they are pro-immigration of smart people. Let the Democrats be the supporters of immigrating dumbasses.
29 posted on 12/02/2012 9:53:55 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Reeses
The stupid party doesn't know that American universities have become leftist indoctrination centers. The more time spent in them, the more leftist young pliable minds become.

While this is true, there are circumstances that happily reverse this poisonous tendency in this case. These are not undergraduates studying from textbooks. These are mostly doctoral students in the sciences or performance arts. They not only get no general ed indoctrination (they only take courses in their specialty, and these are entirely subordinate to their research or performance), they experience the difference that a mostly honest, mostly free, mostly economically free society makes. Further, successful scientists or performers are often very creative and entrepreneurial. You have to run a lab, or continually market your talent.

I know hundreds of them, and typically, they love America. Many want to become Americans, and for the right reasons.

30 posted on 12/02/2012 10:10:14 PM PST by InMemoriam
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

the diversity program was created to prevent the us from being overwhelmed by the ethnic group de jour.

primarily to help european candidates who are swamped out by other groups.

This is just a visa grab. More cheep indian tech visas when there is no reason to increase those visas.

This just a way to avoid hiring more expensive u.s. workers.


31 posted on 12/03/2012 7:31:37 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: spetznaz

read the fine print.

This is to use these visas to hire workers from OUTSIDE the USA rather than the unemployed IN the USA.

IOW importing cheep labor.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 7:37:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rbg81

Yes BUT:

This disregards our jobs are being exported.

Sure encourage people here to study, but KEEP JOBS HERE also.

That is what is killing us. Companies are exporting jobs.


33 posted on 12/03/2012 7:41:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: InMemoriam

what would a state do if voters held a referendum shutting down a state university (or two)?

Just give the university two years to shut down (or go private)


34 posted on 12/03/2012 7:44:47 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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