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Romney internal polls mystery deepens after New Republic report
Philly.com (Inquirer and Daily News) ^ | 11/30/2012 | Scott Bomboy

Posted on 12/01/2012 6:40:57 AM PST by dirtboy

It may take election experts years to unravel the mystery of why Mitt Romney was convinced he had won the 2012 presidential election, as a new report shows some skewed internal poll numbers, and explains Romney’s two trips to Pennsylvania.

But at the same time, the article from The New Republic’s Noam Scheiber shows inconsistencies with reports from November 5 and November 6 about the numbers that might have convinced Romney and his team that he had a good chance of beating President Obama in Ohio.

Obama’s resounding win is starting to take on more of a resemblance to Harry Truman’s “upset” in 1948, with Romney playing the role of Thomas Dewey.

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Obama wound up with 332 electoral votes, taking every swing state except North Carolina. Somehow, the Romney campaign was seemingly convinced that he would win one of the final three swing states, or make a strong showing in Pennsylvania.

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The conclusion is that Romney, based on his internal polls, thought he had at least 267 out of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the election, and the election would be decided in four states: Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Nevada

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Link to New Republic article: http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/110597/exclusive-the-polls-made-mitt-romney-think-hed-win
1 posted on 12/01/2012 6:41:04 AM PST by dirtboy
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yes, itz called massive voter fraud...why dont these egg-head elitest morons ever settle down and do a report on that???


2 posted on 12/01/2012 6:42:23 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

http://www.barackofraudo.com


3 posted on 12/01/2012 6:43:44 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: dirtboy

Well the scum cheated again. Nothing to see here. Move along

Ps. Time to form that new party we’ve been hankerin’ for. One with a pair big enough to confront the thieves.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 6:44:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: raygunfan

To report election fraud would require them to admit it. Besides the end justifies the means in the dem/lib world.

It doesn’t take massive voter fraud, when combined with “our” 3 million fools who didn’t vote or voted for some fantasy 3rd party protest.


5 posted on 12/01/2012 6:52:24 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: raygunfan
why dont these egg-head elitest morons ever settle down and do a report on that???

You think Birthers got a bad name? Imagine the hue and cry from the Leftists if there were calls of voter fraud made by the media. You'd have blacks rioting saying that pollsters are racists.

6 posted on 12/01/2012 7:01:45 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: X-spurt
It doesn’t take massive voter fraud, when combined with “our” 3 million fools who didn’t vote or voted for some fantasy 3rd party protest.

Agreed. And I held my nose with the rest who really didn't want Romney but gagged at the thought of 4 more years of the Kenyan Marxist.

But why did we get saddled with Romney. It obviously was crammed down our throats by the country club republicans, the MSM and the Dhimmicrats. It's time now to break from the Republican Party. It is broken beyond repair.

7 posted on 12/01/2012 7:06:56 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: dirtboy

We will never see an honest election as long as the left is allowed to get away with using the “voter suppression” card.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 7:08:08 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: raygunfan

Election fraud was largely immaterial to this election. It’s a non-issue from a practical standpoint, though not from a moral, legal or governmental standpoint.

What lost the election for Romney was the fact that conservatives just did not show up to vote for the liberal former-governor of Massachusetts. Voter turnouts were amazingly low among conservatives.

Frankly, Romney’s showing in this election was VERY similar to the response he got back in the last primaries - in the end we nominated the man who couldn’t beat McCain, and surprise, he couldn’t even match the votes that the liberal, leftist old hack McCain received in the national election.

Back in the primaries quite a lot of us predicted that this is just what would happen. A lot of us stridently argued against the irrational and fallacious belief that “you have to nominate a moderate if you want to win! Conservatives aren’t going to get votes!”.

At the end of the day, this just proves that no matter how awful the incumbent liberal democrat is, you’re not going to win the election by giving your conservative voter base a great, big middle-finger and telling them to suck-it-up and vote for the slightly less liberal candidate with a meaningless (R) by his or her name.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 7:08:44 AM PST by jameslalor
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To: dirtboy

Per other ‘insider’ threads, the Romney campaign was in disarray in the final days.

Also, he won the first debate. Thereafter, and especially after Crowley’s overt defense of Obama in the 2nd debate, Romney coasted.

Obama was accused of phoning in the first debate. Romney could be said to have phoned in the third debate.

The Obama-Christie lovefest didn’t help the GOP either.

It will probably take a decade of analysing before there is a definitive story of why Romney appeared to be winning and then lost by such a significant amount.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 7:09:24 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: raygunfan

“yes, itz called massive voter fraud”

You better believe it! Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2LwnmbdiTg&feature=em-share_video_user


11 posted on 12/01/2012 7:09:42 AM PST by ryderann
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To: dirtboy

“Obama’s resounding win...”

That phrase in the article really bugged me. Obama did not win by a huge margin, as the left would have everyone believe. If there is one thing in the article that I would begin refuting, it would be that statement.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 7:10:12 AM PST by MNGal
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To: Vaquero

http://www.selfgovernment.us/


13 posted on 12/01/2012 7:11:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: Perdogg

That website has a banner that calls for using the popular vote in the future. It vanishes, however, so I guess you have to catch it.


14 posted on 12/01/2012 7:13:50 AM PST by firebrand
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To: rarestia

It seems like we now live in a time where the way to get what you want is to riot, loot, burn, or in other cultures, to cut off heads, crucify, car bomb. Then people will not make fun of you, will bow to your demands, will not challenge you because you might get upset. If one looks around, this is the lesson.Voting is apparently for suckers now. Options are to call them out and prosecute, or cheat back, or slavishly pretend to see nothing and let them take it all, or.... (see above).


15 posted on 12/01/2012 7:14:22 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: jameslalor
he couldn’t even match the votes that the liberal, leftist old hack McCain received in the national election.

Due to late counting, he did get slightly more votes than McCain. He even got more electoral votes than McCain.
16 posted on 12/01/2012 7:14:57 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: X-spurt

“It doesn’t take massive voter fraud, when combined with “our” 3 million fools who didn’t vote or voted for some fantasy 3rd party protest”

Those fools as you call them did vote...The REAL fools are the ones including Romney who do not have the courage to call the election what it was....MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD all over the country.....It’s not circumstantial evidence either....Watch this video at the Pittsburg airport just before the election, the base was motivated, and they did vote Romney.....Obama had to truck in people to fill up 2,000 anywhere.....To pontificate about any other reason this election was lost does not make sense....The fat elephant in the room nobody in the spineless Republican party will look at......

http://thinkingrightblog.com/romney-to-unplanned-crowd-of-thousands-in-pittsburgh-thats-when-you-know-you-are-going-to-win/


17 posted on 12/01/2012 7:18:11 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks dirtboy.
Obama’s resounding win is starting to take on more of a resemblance to Harry Truman’s “upset” in 1948, with Romney playing the role of Thomas Dewey... The conclusion is that Romney, based on his internal polls, thought he had at least 267 out of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the election, and the election would be decided in four states: Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Nevada
Yeah, that's what happened all right.


18 posted on 12/01/2012 7:22:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dirtboy
I wonder if Romney had too many Mormon advisers that believed in the white horse prophecy of 150 years ago and did not put up a proper fight.
19 posted on 12/01/2012 7:26:28 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Perdogg
That website has made no progress. At least with Virginia: http://www.barackofraudo.com/va.cfm there is no substance at all. Has the author of the website been to Arlington VA? The only surprise is that Obama got only 70% of the vote there. Fairfax is chock full of liberals, morons and people too comfortable from federal pork. As for Richmond, Norfolk, Hampton, etc, has the author heard of blacks? They gave Obama 95 to 99% of the vote in Virginia based on the precincts I looked at. That is contrary to exit polls (nationwide) showing 93% black vote for Obama (my guess is half the blacks being polled lied). Even if you give Romney some more black votes (and take them from Obama) it does not change the outcome.

The real problem in Virginia (as elsewhere) is that conservatives who should have been motivated to vote against Obama did no bother to votet. In many cases they were not even registered (which is completely trivial to do in Virginia).

20 posted on 12/01/2012 7:27:14 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: 3722535r
The base that you see being motivated consisted of mostly suburban conservatives. Out here in rural Virginia the townie liberal and black precincts had high turnout and the precincts in the middle of nowhere had light turnout, The numbers in Virginia coal counties like Tazewell were especially depressing, only 50% of adults turned out even though it was well publicized that their livelihoods were being destroyed by Obama's war on coal. Meanwhile there was 60% of voting age turnout in predominantly black cities like Petersburg.

We failed miserably in the ad wars as well. The RNC and RSC played the lamest possible ads to suburban and urban voters (a lost cause). Meanwhile Planned Parenthood saturated country music stations with their taxpayer funded ads ripping Romney going for the stupid women vote (the demographic, not women in general) and succeeding.

21 posted on 12/01/2012 7:36:39 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer
I called a hunting buddy to make sure he was going to vote the next day.

“I wasn't even going to vote” he said. “ who am I going to vote for, Donald Duck?”

My friend is not a political animal. He has voted in the past. I do not know if he voted this year or not. But he, like many did not vote at all because he saw the same old lack of choice that gave us candidate McCain.

Can't say I blame him. I blame the defective Republican Party.

22 posted on 12/01/2012 7:46:14 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: X-spurt

“It doesn’t take massive voter fraud, when combined with “our” 3 million fools who didn’t vote or voted for some fantasy 3rd party protest.”

Would those “fools” who didn’t vote or voted for some fantasy 3rd party protest be kinda like those “fools” signing secession petitions?

It would seem that all of these “fools” have decided that the status quo is unsatisfactory.


23 posted on 12/01/2012 7:49:54 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: X-spurt

Romney always was a crappy candidate, and he got his butt handed to him. The dems did NOT own the party machinery in Ohio, the republicans do. I live here. I know. Nor is it unusual that Barack would get 99% of the vote in an all-black precinct of which there are many in downtown Cincinnati. Again, I live here; I know. Is anyone really surprised that Obama took about 95% of the black vote???

Romney should go home and shut up. He was a loser from the beginning. He was willing to unload on conservatives with every form of borderline, vile accusation, but he turned into Mr Milquetoast from everything to Benghazi to Budget when it came to Obama. My fear is that the jerk will try again in 2016.

He’s a terrible candidate in the line of Dole and McCain.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 7:52:13 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: jameslalor

“What lost the election for Romney was the fact that conservatives just did not show up to vote for the liberal former-governor of Massachusetts. ....Voter turnouts were amazingly low among conservatives....”

THAT’S NOT TRUE!!....We were not voting Romney, but against Obama....The numbers were there....Obvious voter fraud throughout the country!!....Illegals voting in FL, pollsters thrown out and then Obama gets 100% of the vote, 900 votes counted in a small district where only 7 people were registered....It was on a massive scale.....

The crowd in this video was not even at a planned rally!!...Just before the electon....The numbers were there!.....Republicans/Conservatives are like the blind leading the blind on this issue.....My last post on this crap....As someone said earlier, the fix is in, just prepare yourselves for the inevitable......

http://thinkingrightblog.com/romney-to-unplanned-crowd-of-thousands-in-pittsburgh-thats-when-you-know-you-are-going-to-win/


25 posted on 12/01/2012 7:52:59 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: dirtboy

Go read a few articles on the level of industrialized vote fraud.

It seems those votes are difficult to reflect in polling data.

>http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51364<

It’s a mystery for those unwilling to discuss reality, for fear of being labeled.
You see, without convictions, you have no “proof”.
And there’s a stupid legal ruling that prevents investigation or prevention of vote fraud.
Let’s start by getting THAT set aside.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 8:01:07 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: raygunfan

Polls don’t pick up fraud unless you factor it in. That’s why some polls use a higher number of democrats than actually exist.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 8:03:23 AM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: raygunfan

Yes early voter fraud in Ohio and Fl and bier is fraud in Pa and Wi sealed the deal .
Romney people were to naive to not set up
Poll watchers and lawyers in all the Dem run counties in those states .
In Fl,
The Dem run counties illegally kept early voting open past the state deadline which was illegal and nothing was said or done !
Where was the GOP and Romney ??


28 posted on 12/01/2012 8:03:45 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: 3722535r

You must have missed the fact that the owner of this website actively encouraged NOT voting for Romney, AND had tons of support here.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 8:04:14 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: 3722535r

Exactly


30 posted on 12/01/2012 8:06:08 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: dirtboy
How Obama Won It:

FRAUD !


31 posted on 12/01/2012 8:09:02 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: raygunfan

It is exactly why they freaked out and slammed anyone, especially reproducible people who questioned the ridiculous unemployment drop before the election. Their overwhelming response was to prevent anyone from dare questioning the results of the election.

It worked. The left cowarded the honest.


32 posted on 12/01/2012 8:11:28 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: xzins

The Obama left went to court in Pa and Wi to stop voter Id for one reason!
To stuff the ballot boxes !
Then the poll watchers were tossed out in Philly for half a day !

The Obama left went to court in Ohio to keep early voters going to steal the election in Cleveland and Toledo !
The Dem run counties in Fl illegally kept early voting going on Sunday and Monday !
Please spare me this Chicago machine thug did not steal this election !


33 posted on 12/01/2012 8:11:53 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: palmer
"The real problem in Virginia (as elsewhere) ...'

Yes there was voter fraud. Yes conservatives did not turn out in waves as expected. The bottom line is that Team Obama earned the election over the last four years:

1. Team Obama, aided and abetted by the MSM, was able to frame the election away from the economy to the perception of how the GOP and Big Business created the mess in the first place.

2. Team Obama spent four years using Alinsky tactics in identifying, registering, and delivering the votes of persons and groups sympahetic to their cause in the so called swing stats.

3. Team Obama, blending Alinsky and Chicago thug tactics played the game to win.

Team Romney had no counter, offered no vision, gave the voters no reason to vote for him except that he was not Obama.

34 posted on 12/01/2012 8:13:29 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: raygunfan; FreeAtlanta

reputable not reproducible.... arrrrghhh


35 posted on 12/01/2012 8:13:38 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have noticed all theses PLANTED stories by team Obama trying to
Spin things away from
The facts the election was stolen !


36 posted on 12/01/2012 8:13:57 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: TomGuy; jameslalor

Both of your posts made very good points. But I would add another factor: the eleventh hour, highly suspect improvements in some economic indicators in general, and in particular the miraculous downturn in unemployment below the magic level of 8%. The timing of these obvious maniplations benefitted Obama tremendously by allowing him to make the case for more time.

The largely ignorant and greedy electorate is easily manipulated and misled. So there will only be a return to some semblance of sanity when severe economic pain forces them to reconsider the consequences of their votes. All the logic in the world won’t change peoples’ minds; only the experience of pain will, as it so often does in our personal lives.


37 posted on 12/01/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by Starboard
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To: dirtboy

It’s simple - no matter how accurate your polling is, it can’t correct for massive vote fraud.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 8:15:51 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Let it burn down)
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To: ncalburt

He did not steal the election. Romney got his butt handed to him. He ran a terrible campaign, he was a terrible candidate, he had no ground campaign in Ohio, and he refused to engage Obama on anything.

They don’t NEED to go fraudulent in the black neighborhoods of Cleveland, Toledo, Columbus, and Cincinnati. Getting 99% there when you got 95% of the black vote nationwide is not a remarkable thing at all.

In fact, I would be more surprised if he did NOT get 99% in a black, inner-city precinct. There’s no need for fraud there.


39 posted on 12/01/2012 8:21:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: 3722535r
I agree with you. Massive fraud that's NOT being investigated or talked aboutby ANY Pubbie.

Our base was motivated, as referenced in your PA video/pic.

Our turn out was way up...all over the country. Reports with pics came in through out the day of long lines of Chic Fil A voters. The long lines of 0Phone voters were not reported and paled in comparison. Where are the pics of the long lines of 0Phone voters, across the country or even in more than two or three districts?

40 posted on 12/01/2012 8:23:31 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: dirtboy

Romney got fleeced by his pollens and consultants .


41 posted on 12/01/2012 8:25:19 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: xzins
He did not steal the election.

Yes he did. With over 70,000 "irregularities," it's hard to be intellectually honest and yet deny that the election was stolen.

What you said about Romney being a terrible candidate is true. But it is also non sequitur. Your argument is a false dichotomy. Face it - there was vote fraud on a massive scale in the swing states, and it allowed Obama to steal a second term, regardless of the quality of the GOP candidate.

42 posted on 12/01/2012 8:25:33 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Let it burn down)
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To: buckalfa

“Team Obama, blending Alinsky and Chicago thug tactics played the game to win.”
**********
And that is a fundamental truth that Republicans just can’t seem to grasp. The Dems are vicious adversaries. You have to not only beat them — you also have to contend with their attack dogs in the media.

To achieve victory, you HAVE to be stronger than your opponent(s) to win. You don’t score points playing defense all the time.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 8:29:09 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Love your post.

So true:

“All the logic in the world won’t change peoples’ minds; only the experience of pain will, as it so often does in our personal lives.”


44 posted on 12/01/2012 8:30:03 AM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Let's settle somewhere new?~ I'm thinking places people call "blue".)
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To: dirtboy

The Dems simply out shoe-leathered and out-financed us. One account is of Dems going to a home for the retarded, registering every inmate, and then “helping” them with their absentee ballots. The Dems’ so-far unbeatable resource is their system for using tax money and (extorted) union money to fund an almost unlimited voting effort. We may be seeing an unbeatable Liberal voting machine for the next century unless we counter it somehow.


45 posted on 12/01/2012 8:30:08 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: xzins

First I recall you were telling people not to vote for Romney
On this website and now your trying to dismiss all the voter fraud !
Your a Paulbot too !
Romney lost by 300,000 in four states !
You can not ignore or dismiss the facts that Obama stopped the voter Id laws in two key swing states and kept early voting going non stop in two other states for one reason !
To steal it !
Team Obama are Daley machine front men !
Ex Mayor Daley ‘s brother was running the campaign from Chicago !
The same guy who tried to steal the 2000 election for Gore !


46 posted on 12/01/2012 8:34:34 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: pabianice

That’s an interesting example:

A lib would have no problem exploiting a person with disabilities, in “helping” them fill out a form for a Dem, because in their true corrupted soul, they don’t see anything wrong with doing something like that. They TRULY believe that a Dem vote is a vote for that person’s best interest, so it removes the natural moral guilt that a normal human would have in exploiting a disabled person for political gain and self-interest like that. Couple that with the fact the Dems have no morals in the first place in most of their numbers, and it makes a move like that very easy.

I know I, and I believe almost all conservatives, could never think of doing something like that simply under the principle I would feel like the biggest dirt-bag in history for making anyone vote for something, someone, who the person really doesn’t understand what they are doing and myself fully knowing my action would be purely a scheme of self-interest and manipulation. I mean doing something like that is lower than low.


47 posted on 12/01/2012 8:40:31 AM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Let's settle somewhere new?~ I'm thinking places people call "blue".)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Thank you. There’s something in human nature that makes us resistant to logic. The only thing that causes us to change our ways is pain and fear, usually in the form of what’s often referred to as “life altering events”.

I’m not a complete doomsayer but IMHO the nation is headed toward an economic calamity and it will cause a great upheavel and social “unrest”. A little restoration of sanity may come out of it when we get proof positive that unsustainable spending has real consequences.


48 posted on 12/01/2012 8:41:20 AM PST by Starboard
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To: ncalburt; xzins
You are, of course, correct. How bad Romney was is irrelevant - the election was stolen. I hate to say it, but xzins has a vested interest in denying this because he thinks it gives him justification to play the "told you so" card, like we all should have voted for Virgil Goode instead of Romney (Goode would also have lost, either from splitting the Right vote, or else to vote fraud as well).

I analysed the election is some detail recently here. There's a reason Romney, as well as a lot of others, thought that he would win. It's because the polling and the indicators were saying he would. The only polling that had Obama ahead consistently was the MSM polling, and those that rely on it derivatively (like RealClearPolitics). I would argue that the only reason the MSM polling seemed to be correct is because it coincidentally agreed with the post-election fraudulent results. If vote fraud had not been seen on the massive scale it was this time around, the MSM polling would have been as wrong as it usually is, and the professional polling houses would have been right as usual.

49 posted on 12/01/2012 8:41:28 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Let it burn down)
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To: dirtboy

No mystery at all.

RINO’S HAVE THEIR COLLECTIVE HEAD UP THEIR COLLECTIVE BUTT!


50 posted on 12/01/2012 8:41:39 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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