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thought youd enjoy the closer...

"So given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”

Okay, he might want to focus-group it first. But that fundamental dishonesty is the heart of the crisis. You cannot simultaneously enjoy American-sized taxes and European-sized government. One or the other has to go."

50 posted on 12/02/2012 5:32:21 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
RE :”thought youd enjoy the closer...
“So given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”

Ironically right now on MSNBC the lib Chris Hayes group is arguing that Americans have to be prepared for higher taxes in the future when the economy gets better. That is these libs ultimate goal for that reason.

But right now Dems are winning playing Santa. So that idea would not be received well. And there is little evidence that Rs want to decrease spending, they may want to decrease Pork while increasing theirs and cutting taxes or some tax reform.

If Bohner wanted to win, and Rs (even here) really believed it was important to win the WH and congress which they endless post dramatic comments claiming , then they would want the economy to fail , as it did under Bush, and for O to get the blame for it.

And then the question is : How do we get that?

51 posted on 12/02/2012 5:49:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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To: Gilbo_3; GOPsterinMA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Impy
RE :”thought youd enjoy the closer...
“So given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”
Okay, he might want to focus-group it first. But that fundamental dishonesty is the heart of the crisis. You cannot simultaneously enjoy American-sized taxes and European-sized government. One or the other has to go.

I used to make that point about GWB. Like O he wouldn't have spent all that money if he couldn't have justs borrowed it.

But here lies the problem, and this happens too often,

If House Republicans are really holding the middle class tax cuts hostage for equal spending cuts to pay for it as a deficit principle, then they should come out and say that and take consistent action, and consistently stand on a principle. “No more tax cuts unless they are paid for”

But this morning Chris Wallace asked Bohner if he was holding those middle class tax cuts hostage to the rich tax cuts, Bohner said :”No, Obama is doing that”

This seems to be the current talking point, but there is no way Republicans will sell this to voters now. Not after FICA and Romney and the election results...I think Bohner knows he lost and this is all acting to prepare Republicans for it

Bohner is playing a losing hand in this. Not only over tax cuts but now Geithner and Obama have told Bohner (on TV of course) to make public their entitlement cut proposals, if that is what they are demanding. And Republicans are scared to do that for obvious reasons. So once again they go into the gun fight with a twig in hand.

57 posted on 12/02/2012 7:18:51 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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