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Killings of white farmers highlight toxic apartheid legacy in South Africa
Reuters ^ | Friday, November 30, 2012

Posted on 12/01/2012 11:41:11 AM PST by MinorityRepublican

ERMELO, South Africa -- In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk.

Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa's farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid -- and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality.

Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide.

'Potentially explosive' issue On the other side of the divide, populists are seizing on the discontent among the black majority to demand a forced redistribution of white-owned farms along the lines of neighboring Zimbabwe.

"The issue is potentially explosive," said Lechesa Tsenoli, deputy minister for land reform, arguing that South Africa's future depends on ending inequality on the farms.

The economic change promised by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC) when white-minority rule ended in 1994 has been even slower in the countryside than in cities and mines, where at least small elites of black South Africans have prospered.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnews.nbcnews.com ...


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1 posted on 12/01/2012 11:41:19 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Africa wins again.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 11:44:25 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: MinorityRepublican; All

Sounds like this article is a Promo for Black Racism...and not just in South Africa

Only a fool, moron, or White Guilt Liberal thinks that Black Racism does not exist


3 posted on 12/01/2012 11:50:54 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Well good thing Obamao is all about racial harmony here in the USA.

~S~


4 posted on 12/01/2012 11:51:10 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ( 1438 days until Nov.8,2016)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sounds like Rooters blames the victims


5 posted on 12/01/2012 11:52:01 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Freeeeeee Nelson Mandela.........Freeeeeeee Nelson Mandela.”


6 posted on 12/01/2012 11:52:30 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MinorityRepublican
Reuters is pandering, here, to Leftist international stereotypes. The article shows a complete misunderstanding of the issues over Apartheid, and a complete misunderstanding over farming in South Africa, at anytime from 1653 on.

It would take more time, than I have right now, to explain even a small part of what is wrong with this article. I will try to post something, if the thread is still active on Monday.

William Flax

7 posted on 12/01/2012 11:53:43 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: GladesGuru

8 posted on 12/01/2012 11:55:16 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I was surprised to see this in Reuters. Mostly the Western Media and UN ignore the farm killings in South Africa.

Thanks for posting. These killings are an utter and completely outrage.

News of the racist farm killings needs to go viral and stay viral until something is done to stop this slaughter and protect white South Africans.

We are asked to “care” about all kinds of injustice around the world — in Darfur, Nepal, etc. — but not what is happening to the whites in South Africa.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 11:56:51 AM PST by Bon of Babble (Instant Human....Add Coffee)
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To: Ohioan

I am looking forward to reading your comments.

I think it is time for whites and Indians to leave South Africa for good.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 11:58:21 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: SeminoleCounty

“White Guilt”

Remember Cathy Buckle?

Stupid white folks.

Black Racism is Evil. Marxist Black Liberation Theology is truly evil.


11 posted on 12/01/2012 12:00:01 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Maine Mariner
I think it is time for whites and Indians to leave South Africa for good.

There are many countries who could use their talents, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and of course, the United States of America!

12 posted on 12/01/2012 12:00:26 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Bon of Babble

I recall attending a concert in the early 80s in Concord Ca which was to feature Belafonte. I wanted to hear soothing colypso music. Instead, at the beginning, one of the musicians appeared on stage and said the normal concert would not go on, rather, in sympathy to their brothers in South Africa they would have traditional african music. She then began “when the White Man came to my country”...which I interrupted by shouting you don’t look that old and exactly what country are you talking about? Anyway, the show, with my continued rants, continued. My GF wished us to leave but I refused to go as I knew I was not getting a refund so I may as well express my displeasure. The upshot was the only affect was to elevate my BP. I regret now not having rushed the stage.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 12:05:06 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: GladesGuru
thank you...
14 posted on 12/01/2012 12:10:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“arguing that South Africa’s future depends on ending inequality on the farms.”

I’ll bet there is a translation needed for that sentence.

Anyone with a brain is well aware of the unintended consequences of too early end to the perceived white domination in South Africa.

Regime change has consequences, and to allow world opinion to force actions that will bring nothing but disaster, is not in the best interest of any country.

The long nose of world opinion is still on the march and there is plenty of proof in the middle east.


15 posted on 12/01/2012 12:20:24 PM PST by wita
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wiating for Rock musicians to band together and record a protest song.....no? Ah, okay. Didn’t think so.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 12:31:04 PM PST by Catholic Canadian
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To: wita
cause it worked out so well for Zimbabwe...
17 posted on 12/01/2012 12:33:58 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Ohioan
As early as 1610 or thereabouts, ships regularly stopped along the South African coast for provisioning (cured meat, vegetables, water, etc.),

At that time the better known Nilotic tribes like the Shone and Zulu were still cutting up various other Africans many hundreds of miles to the North.

The indigenous peoples are the now almost unknown Sen and various others who engaged in hearding cattle with long horns.

The Portuguese had encountered both back in the 1400s when they began sailing around the Horn to the Indian Ocean.

There really wasn't a whole lot of change in the ethnic picture until the Zulu and their enemies brought their concepts to the area, and then it was extermination after extermination.

Most writers like to skip over that part ~ which is a shame. The current level of violence is nothing compared to what this crowd believes to be the correct point of view.

18 posted on 12/01/2012 12:50:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MinorityRepublican
'Potentially explosive' issue On the other side of the divide, populists are seizing on the discontent among the black majority to demand a forced redistribution of white-owned farms along the lines of neighboring Zimbabwe.

Because murdering them is just not enough!

19 posted on 12/01/2012 12:52:36 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: MinorityRepublican

Exactly


20 posted on 12/01/2012 1:08:50 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Jews did not believe things would get so bad in Germany. The whites do not believe things will get so bad in South Africa, even with Rhodesia as an example.

The price for this disbelief is the same.


21 posted on 12/01/2012 1:08:56 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

The company that my husband works for has a division in South Africa and they are say things are very unstable there and that is only a matter of time before the government takes over the factory.


22 posted on 12/01/2012 1:13:56 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: dynachrome

I am for the establishment of a new coastal state for all African whites, Dutch or British descent. They can call it New Transvaal or something similar. Some might call this ‘segregationist’, I just call it common sense. It’s clear neither side is happy living with the other, so they should be separate. I’ve met white South Africans. They’re good people. It’s a travesty that the terror they endure goes unnoticed by our precious UN.


23 posted on 12/01/2012 1:18:18 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: GeronL

That’s what I got from it. They’re spinning it that the poor deprived blacks are killimg whites out of desparate hunger, poverty, etc. The savagery of these murders is on par with anything in the Congo. Neither children nor animals, including pets, are spared. The savages are inventive in coming up with ways to torture and kill-the one thing in which they show any initiative.

As when this happened in Zimbabwe, they don’t then take over the farms and pick up where the white farmers left off before being killed-Zimbabwe was the breadbasket of Africa, it’s now a net importer of food.

Reuters knows full well that these brutal murders are racially-based and no question, but I suppose it’s something that they finally even deigned to notice them at all, even though they’re still trying to blame the white farmers.

It would really be news if they took the next step and stated that whites are being genocided in South Africa, amd of the UN got involved, as they assuredly would if whites were doing this to blacks in a majority black country. But I won’t hold my breath, even though what’s occurring is against the UN’s own regulations, and western countries aren’t making it easy for white South Africans to find asylum, because of what that would say about the black ANC government in charge and allowing, even tacitly supporting it. (ie “Kill The Boer”)


24 posted on 12/01/2012 1:22:54 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Texas Fossil

http://www.cathybuckle.com/

Still there. She is a fool.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 1:25:20 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Catholic Canadian

No, but Bono, that bleeding-heart philanthropist, has stated that he’s OK with black ANC leaders singing “Kill The Boer” as it’s merely a “type of traditional folk song”. I can think of some “traditional folk songs” he might not be so sanguine about, but they’re from white heritage.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 1:27:45 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Maine Mariner

Yes, but these countries are making difficulties for the white South Africans, because it would be a bad reflection on the black ANC government to admit that white South Africans are needimg asylum. Also, we need all our “extra space” for Haitians carrying AIDs, non-skilled violent Somalis, leprosy-carrying Illegal aliens from south of our border, and I expect in the not-too-distant future there will be a quota for ebola-carrying Africans, if they can get some here before they die. We don’t have enough disease diversity, you see.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 1:33:09 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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Savage people recovering a savage land. When the civilized people are all killed or forced to flee, the area will return to its state of nature: anarchy, cyclical famine, ignorance. Predictable. Inevitable.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 1:36:34 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: Viennacon

White South African are some of the most highly-skilled people in the world, and have a work ethic second to none. But they are at the back of the immigration line to white western nations behind violent non-skilled Somalis, Haitians and Africans with AIDs, illegal aliens bringing leprosy, and no doubt, in the future, Africans with ebola of they can get them here fast enough. We need more “vibrant enrichment” in the array of diseases found in the US.

I am all for the establishment of seperate homelands in the US for blacks and whites. We need a divorce, so that we evil whites will stop oppressing the innocent blacks, and forcing them to follow our white flight so we can further oppress them.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 1:39:48 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Godwin1

Read the “Congo” series at the blog “Unamusement Park”, including a linked article from Time magazine circa the late Fifties-early Sixties describing a flourishing economy at that time. The “Congo” series descrines exactly what you say-return to nature, that means both environmental and human, including cannibalism, diseases which had been eradicated or controlled, uncontrolled rapes (including infants), savage horrific mutilations, return to wotch doctor practices, etc. It’s like civilisation never touched the place.


30 posted on 12/01/2012 1:50:42 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel

BUMP

Never expect anything out of the UN, that is for sure


31 posted on 12/01/2012 1:55:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Producers !

Burn it down on your way out !

Force the feral savages to confront their total ignorance and cluelessness at rebuilding what their white betters created.

32 posted on 12/01/2012 2:01:53 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Ohioan

I am interested in what you have to say and hope you post your thoughts on this too.

I’ll check back.


33 posted on 12/01/2012 2:02:26 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Instant Human....Add Coffee)
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To: mrsmel

Haha. I know that sometimes seems like a solution, but African Americans form an important part of our society, and there are many out there who love this country, love free market principles, and work hard every day to achieve something. It’s just an epidemic of laziness among the black community that has caused a majority to become Obamaphone-loving, race-baiting morons. Let’s not forget, this epidemic is also happening to whites across America. White youth especially are usually worse than black youth when it comes to their hatred of America and all we “evil imperialist pigs” stand for. It’s a breakdown of faith and family in this country. That needs to be restored if we are to save our culture and our nation.

General Africans from Africa are a different story, especially Muslims. They need to be deported back to their third world hell-holes, the same goes for all Muslims. Senator Graham was right today to use the word ‘bastards’ in congress. They are bastards. Keith Ellison is the Grand Mufti of bastards.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 2:10:56 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: tomkat

They really needn’t even take the trouble, the new black overlords will Detroit it themselves. Already South Africa can’t keep a consistent power supply because they refuse to hire enough qualified whites to keep the power flowing, so brownouts are now a common occurrence. This, in what was formerly the only First World nation on the African continent, because-tada-whites running the country benefitted everyone. (IE, black infant mortality rates have risen, black longevity rates have lowered, crime is rampant. Google the story of their fiasco with their submarines. One had its battery cables incorrectly connected. One crashed against a harbor wall. The third mysteriously nose-dived to the seabed)


35 posted on 12/01/2012 2:13:02 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Ohioan

I too am interested and look forward to your comments.


36 posted on 12/01/2012 2:14:59 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Immediately after telling the experiences of one white (Mr. Scholtz, shot several times, nothing stolen and Mr. Scholtz claiming that the assault was race-based) the person who typed in the article says "Despite the ANC's pledge to build a 'rainbow nation,' South Africa's income disparity -- which had already been among the top few in the world -- has widened further since apartheid ended, according to World Bank figures."

But the crack "reporter" admits that it's getting "uncomfortable for the white farmers" too -- since there was no mention of the 3,000 other whites of all ages assaulted, hacked, raped, mutilated, and finally killed over the past few years -- just ordinary rural crime says the police -- that must be what the "reporter" means by uncomfortable.

Then the person who typed his feeeeeeeeeeeeelings into the article returns to the "racial abuse [still present and] unchanged since the end of white rule;" for example, the discrimination where blacks "are not allowed to talk to farm owners directly." They are not allowed to speak until after the whites are dead? I guess.

37 posted on 12/01/2012 2:17:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Viennacon

Frankly, what do they provide that whites couldn’t provide without the hidden or not-so-hidden costs? And I am tired of having to work my way through a lot of bad ones to find the few “good ones”, who even then vote with the tribe.

It’s like when the professional black family moves into the neighborhood-so far, so good, though even they may be the Obama community organiser government placeholder type. Then comes their son’s friend Pookie, or Cousin Ray-Ray, and crime starts showing up that never happened before.

Also, there’s this factor of “regression to the mean”. One study of upper middle class two-parent families in Prince George’s Co showed that the male offspring had lower school scores, higher drop-out rates, and higher crime rates than males from lower SES families in West Virginia.

It would be much simpler for like-minded whites to just stop trying to thread the minefield and have a homeland where we don’t have to let crime go unpunished because “that be rayciss” or lower test demands because the generality of blacks can’t meet the standard(whether it’s school, jobs such as law enforcement or firefighting, etc). There is an achievement gap which never closes no matter how much money and how many programs are thrown at it, and this gap will always ensure unequal outcomes, and blacks will always want the standard lowered to the lowest common denominator in order to get that “equal” outcome. This is detrimental to whites, as they no longer are able to strive to their highest potential.

No, I think separation is the best thing.

Besides, if some lizard is so worthy of protection from extinction that the government can confiscate private land, why are whites and white genes-unique human genes-any less worthy?


38 posted on 12/01/2012 2:31:12 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel
Thanks for all that, of some of which I was unaware.

As ardent an admirer as I am of most things Southern, if not for the despicable combination of cotton and greed, America would have little, if any, problems in a similar vein as the RSA.

But given the racist maggot @ 1600 and the general PC gutlessness of such a large part of the 'citizenry' here, Manson's 'crazy' wish may actually come true.

Imho, at this point in our country's downhill sprint to irrelevance, there could be worse things than 'helter skelter'.

39 posted on 12/01/2012 2:33:58 PM PST by tomkat
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To: tomkat

Yes, as a Southerner myself and a supporter of the traditional Southern culture, I can’t disagree with you there. It’s become a slogan, but no less true for that, that we should have picked our own damn cotton.

But I will say in our defense that post Civil War, no one knew better than Southerners how blacks can be when left to their own devices. We’ve lived with them as a large minority amongst us for centuries, when for most of that time many Northerners had never seen a black person, and felt quite the morally superior people for coming here and telling us how wrong we were, until their own cities were inundated and then overtaken. Now when it’s too late, they learn the lesson through such entities as Detroit and Gary IN.

There are more white killed every year by blacks than blacks were lynched in the history of lynching. Some of those lynched had actually committed crimes. Those figures also include whites who were lynched. EVERY YEAR blacks murder more whites than blacks were lynched in the ENTIRE HISTORY of lynching.

The untold story of Emmett Till’s father-he was militarily executed for raping a French woman while stationed in France at the end of WWII.


40 posted on 12/01/2012 2:56:18 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel
That, dear lady, deserves repeating, with emphasis . . .

EVERY YEAR blacks murder more whites than blacks were lynched in the ENTIRE HISTORY of lynching !

41 posted on 12/01/2012 3:04:20 PM PST by tomkat
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To: MinorityRepublican

I personally know a family who escaped as a white farmer before death to the US. Sadly, they could not convince the father of the family to escape as well. He tried to stay and fight for what was his, and what he was told was not his. He died fighting...


42 posted on 12/01/2012 3:19:56 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Everyone knows it exists, it’s convincing people that it’s not ‘justified’ that is the problem.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 3:20:48 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Hey, just noticed who I was replying to, I’m in Broward!


44 posted on 12/01/2012 3:21:23 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: blueunicorn6

Sounds like you were a victim of MTV too. LOL!


45 posted on 12/01/2012 3:22:15 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

My favorite was

“Fishheads! Fishheads!
Roly poly Fishheads!
Fishheads! Fishheads!
Eat ‘em up, yum.”


46 posted on 12/01/2012 3:36:05 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dynachrome

Yep


47 posted on 12/01/2012 3:43:40 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: blueunicorn6

In the story, the farmer who was wounded is not sleeping with a baseball bat at his side. I have to conclude that’s because law abiders aren’t allowed to own guns there. Anyone know what’s up with that?


48 posted on 12/01/2012 3:47:03 PM PST by Kanzan
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To: MinorityRepublican

I wish they would come to America, they already speak English.


49 posted on 12/01/2012 3:51:48 PM PST by Drayah
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To: MinorityRepublican

I wish they would come to America, they already speak English.


50 posted on 12/01/2012 3:51:48 PM PST by Drayah
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