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Pelosi Won’t Defend First Amendment Rights of Historic San Francisco Catholic Hospital
Cybercast News Service ^ | November 30, 2012 | Matt Cover

Posted on 12/01/2012 1:04:33 PM PST by Olog-hai

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who is Catholic, indicated on Friday that she supports forcing St. Mary’s Medical Center, the oldest continuously operating hospital in her San Francisco-based congressional district, to provide health plans to its workers that cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs free of charge even though the Catholic faith says this Catholic hospital may not do so because these things are intrinsically immoral.

“We are committed to furthering the healing ministry of Jesus,” says the hospital's mission statement.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius—who, like Pelosi, is Catholic—issued the sterilization-contraception-abortifacient mandate as a regulation under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, AKA Obamacare. The Catholic bishops of the United States have repeatedly argued, including in numerous lawsuits, that the regulation violates the First-Amendment-guaranteed right to the free exercise of religion by Catholics and Catholic institutions. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: birthcontrol; catholicism; contraception; excommunicatenow; heresy; heretics; pelosi; sandrafluck; sandrafluke; sanfrancisco; sebelius; stmaryshospital

1 posted on 12/01/2012 1:04:42 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Doesn't this Pelosi woman have work to do at home in her own family getting some of her grandchildren aborted or whatever?

What a busy body.

2 posted on 12/01/2012 1:06:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

IIRC, Madame Pelosi is a Catholic.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 1:11:00 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m not surprised. Whenever there is a choice between freedom and government control, Pelosi always chooses government. Whenever there is a choice between thrift and waste, Pelosi always chooses waste. Whenever there is a choice between good and evil, Pelosi always chooses evil. This time, Pelosi gets a triple for her stance. How could she resist that?


4 posted on 12/01/2012 1:12:51 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Olog-hai

Given JFK's reputation.. I wonder if it was her first time and did he wait until they were in the living quarters . . . or does THE RACE OF HER LIFE mean she escaped?

(Source Media Research Center via google images, pelosi young)

5 posted on 12/01/2012 1:18:30 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: basil

Look, Pelosi is an acolyte of the Antichrist ~ and it’s time she was recognized as such. You do not have to take on the character of being ‘antichrist’ to be completely evil, and that’s what she is.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 1:22:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: basil

“IIRC, Madame Pelosi is a Catholic.”

No, she claims to be a Catholic. She won’t stand before God and uphold the teachings of the Church, you can bet on that. Last time she went to confession, you think?


7 posted on 12/01/2012 1:22:46 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Does the church still do excommunications. Can’t think of a better situation.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 1:24:30 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Olog-hai
“We are committed to furthering the healing ministry of Jesus,” says the hospital's mission statement.

Sorry, Nancy. The hospital reports to a higher power than you, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, you don't believe there's a power higher than you.

9 posted on 12/01/2012 1:29:26 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: morphing libertarian

The Cardinals and Bishops here in the US are too busy playing politics, They are afraid of being locked out on other issues if they force Catholic politicians to be Catholic.

They should have excommunicated her Biden and Sebelius years ago.The Faith is not for playing politics and the higher ups of all people should know that.

Someone should have the balls to tell her , when you die you had better get someone else to bury you and your body will not rest in Sacred Ground.

Unfortunately like the Kennedy Family —Hedonists and in Ted’s case a murderer, there will be Bishops and Cardinals lined up to put her in the ground.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 1:41:35 PM PST by Venturer
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To: morphing libertarian

Yes they do. But the last case I can think of was back in the 70’s? when a Cardinal refused to comply with Vatican II doctrines. I believe he has long since changed his mind.


11 posted on 12/01/2012 1:42:07 PM PST by Howindependent (A Liberal has no concept of reality.)
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To: Olog-hai

Pelosi is much smarter than we are. She knows what is best for all of us. Progressives are busy bodies. Just like Bloomberg in NYC. We need people like her to tell us what to do. Can you imagine a religion, which supposedly she is a member would be prolife and she knows better. Evil woman !!


12 posted on 12/01/2012 1:42:56 PM PST by Pedrobud
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To: Olog-hai

Pelosi already knows she is going to burn in hell, so she just piles on. What surprises me is the Church never seems willing to do anything about this sorry excuse for a human being.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 1:50:51 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Good question


14 posted on 12/01/2012 1:54:10 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Olog-hai

When will the Catholic Church start excommunicating members who thumb their noses at Church beliefs? I’m not Catholic but I’d respect them more if they took severe measures with people who flout Church dogma.


15 posted on 12/01/2012 1:55:02 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Olog-hai

“. . .Secretary Kathleen Sebelius—who, like Pelosi, is Catholic”

OK, journalists, here’s how you use your power and stay out of Hell with the same action:

“. . .Secretary Kathleen Sebelius—who, like Pelosi, CALLS HERSELF Catholic”


16 posted on 12/01/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by stanne
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To: morphing libertarian; Venturer

Canon 915: Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or the declaration of a penalty as well as others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to communion.

“...there’s a question about whether this canon’’ – the relevant church law – “was ever intended to be used’’ to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. “I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon [Canon 915] was never intended to be used this way.’’ — from the thread [Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won’t Deny Pelosi Communion http://www.canonlaw.info/2009/03/abps-wuerl-c-916-burke-cc-915-916-on.html

Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is “unfair and imprudent” to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn’t receive Communion simply because they’re living together. — from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert’s criticism of Gov. Cuomo)

[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, but he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives.
— from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711746/posts?page=289#289


17 posted on 12/01/2012 2:06:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Pedrobud

Video cartoon gets it pretty well: http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/liberal-universities-explained.html


18 posted on 12/01/2012 2:07:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

They shouldn’t not only be denied Communion, they should be denied ever Sacrament including Extreme Unction.

It isn’t use to bring them to heel.It is used to rid the Church of their presence.It is not a bluff it is an acknowledgement that this person is no longer Catholic.Bring them to heel-— hell, it’s to toss them out of the Community of the Church.


19 posted on 12/01/2012 2:15:54 PM PST by Venturer
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To: daniel1212

They should not only be denied Communion, they should be denied ever Sacrament including Extreme Unction.

It isn’t use to bring them to heel.It is used to rid the Church of their presence.It is not a bluff it is an acknowledgement that this person is no longer Catholic.Bring them to heel-— hell, it’s to toss them out of the Community of the Church.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 2:16:00 PM PST by Venturer
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To: daniel1212

.....................and the abortions keep on going


21 posted on 12/01/2012 2:16:20 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Olog-hai

When is she finally excommunicated? It is at least a decade overdue.


22 posted on 12/01/2012 2:17:19 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Olog-hai

Infuriating. My oldest daughter was born there, so I have fond memories of the place.


23 posted on 12/01/2012 2:27:53 PM PST by livius
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To: muawiyah

Nancy Pelosi is not a Catholic. Catholics keep the rules of the Catholic Church. Nancy Pelosi is one of those people who believe she can make up her own rules and still call herself a Catholic. She’s like a homosexual who wants to be a boy scout. They want to be a scout but not have to keep the rules.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 2:29:21 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: muawiyah

She’s busy doing the work of SATAN, do you understand how much time that takes up?

Roomer has it her broom took off before she was completely on it and that’s why her eyes bulge.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 2:36:54 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Too bad teddy didn’t drive her home.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 2:38:06 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: daniel1212

In my opinion, if Wuerl were correct, there would be no need for Canon 915, but since we do have it...shouldn’t it be adhered to?


27 posted on 12/01/2012 2:42:07 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: longfellow

rumor—my brain was on broom and my fingers weren’t keeping up.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 2:42:47 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: basil

Whatever happened to the concept of EXCOMMUNICATION and HERESY?


29 posted on 12/01/2012 2:43:36 PM PST by usmc19651990. (heresy, excommunication,Christianity)
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To: basil

Pelosi, Sebelius, and other pro-abortion advocates are Catholics in name only.


30 posted on 12/01/2012 2:43:53 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: basil

Nancy Pelosi can say she is Catholic, but she is not. Catholics keep the rules of the Catholic Church.


31 posted on 12/01/2012 2:45:11 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Little Pelosi humor:

Finally an account of the meeting of Pope Benedict and Speaker Pelosi… sort of…

On Wednesday February 18, 2009, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and fellow Democrats, Rep. George Miller, Rep. Anna Eshoo, Rep. John Larson, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, Rep. Edward Markey, Rep. Michael Capuano, and Rep. William Pascrell Jr. had an audience with Pope Benedict XVI. Only the tersest of descriptions of the meeting was ever published.

The following is a fictional, but wishful, account:

Speaker Pelosi: (Draped in a floor length mantilla, clutching rosary beads) Your Holiness, it is an honor to be with you again.

Pope Benedict: God bless you.

Pelosi: (Pulling a “Obama/Hope” holy card from her purse): The president sends his greetings. (Near shouting) My colleagues and I wanted you to have this as a memento of the historic election of our new president.

Pope: (Faintly smiling): Ah, yes. How thoughtful of you.

Pelosi: (Rep. Rosa DeLauro and Rep. Edward Markey move forward with a huge framed photograph) And this, Holy Father is a little something I thought might look nice here in the library. It’s a picture of me taking the gavel as Speaker of the House of Representatives. (Shouting again) I am the first woman to do so in American history.

Pope: Another historic memento . . .

Pelosi: It really is.

Pope: (Pointing at the portrait) And who are all these children surrounding you?

Pelosi: These are my grandchildren, here. And these are the children of members. Members of Congress. (Loudly) The legislative, elected body that I lead. I’m sort of the pope of Capitol Hill. Uh-ha. Though I wear white only occasionally . . . uh-ha ha ha.

Pope: (Sarcastically) All of these children must be a terrible burden on the states and the federal government?

Pelosi: (Beaming) Why yes, Holy Father, they can be. It is interesting that you should mention that as I was trying to make that . . . the point to George Stephanopoulos — he’s Greek Orthodox I believe — that children can be a real drain on states during this fiscal budget crisis and that contraception . . .

Pope: I am quite familiar with your statements, Madame Speaker. I have attempted to examine them carefully.

Pelosi: Well, I’m glad we are in agreement. I AM an ardent, practicing Catholic and I myself have studied all of these issues very, very carefully.

Pope: Perhaps this will aid your studies. (The papal secretary hands the Pope a book). Some light reading for your flight home. It is the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I edited. Do you have a copy?

Pelosi: No. I mean — not one that I have read. (Nervously looking to Rep. George Miller for help) Yes, I have a copy that is still in its cellophane wrapper.

Pope: I have taken the liberty of marking a few passages for you. I believe this section which reads, “Human life must be respected and protected from the moment of conception,” might interest you.

Pelosi: Excuse me your Holiness, but . . . I, I, I don’t have to read that, I’ve been studying this issue for a long time. The National Catholic Reporter, and the New York Times, also, each had wonderful pieces on this back in the early 80’s, I believe. And over the centuries the Church has not been able to define when life begins. You know — when it actually starts.

Pope: The Church does not need to define such a thing; science has defined it for us. Regardless of one’s belief: Life begins at conception, Madame Speaker. This is a fact.

Pelosi: I knew you were going to say that. And I have to protest — uh . . . We are in a new era in America, your Holiness. It is a time of change. With President Obama’s election we are rediscovering many things . . .

Pope: Has there been some new discovery regarding when life begins?

Pelosi: Well, whatever it is — the Church — Senator, uh, Saint Augustine said it was three months. Life begins at three months. We just don’t know. But whenever it is, it has no bearing on a woman’s right to choose.

Pope: Right to choose what?

Pelosi: Right to choooooose.

Pope: Choooooose what?

Pelosi: Well, to terminate the . . . uh. The abortion. The fetus. The control of our bodies to terminate the choice . . . abortion.

Pope: To abort one that does not yet exist? Didn’t you just say life didn’t begin until three months after birth?

Pelosi: I knew you were going to say that. I said, the Church has not defined when life begins.

Pope: Science has definitively proven that life begins at conception. This is not matter of faith, but of fact.

Pelosi: Well, I have free will, you know.

Pope: I can see that.

Pelosi: In the United States we want abortions to be safe and rare and reduce the number of abortions.

Pope: By permitting more of them?

Pelosi: Yes. Uh. Legal and rare. We want them to be (raising her voice, the mantilla slipping) reduced. We want the numbers of abortions to reduce.

Pope: And to reduce abortions you are dedicating more money to pay for abortions?

Pelosi: Yes. No. We reduce the people by paying for more abortions. But we leave that choice to the woman.

Pope: The choice to murder her child?

Pelosi: I don’t see it that way.

Pope: (Opening the Catechism once more) There is a fascinating section . . . Ah, here it is: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.” (Eyeing the assembled) Politicians who publicly and manifestly support such a grave moral evil should not present themselves at communion. Have you read that anywhere?

Pelosi: I told you mine is still in the wrapper. And you should know Holy Father, I am an ardent, practicing Catholic in good standing in my diocese. I present myself with a clean conscience every Sunday.

Pope: I am sure you present yourself, my child . . .

Pelosi: It is really my choice.

Pope: Abortion or communion?

Pelosi: Communion! (Dead silence. Uncomfortable silence. Then in a sheepish voice, she reaches down to pick the mantilla off the floor) I really am an ardent, practicing Catholic. (She crosses herself. More silence) Holy Father?

Pope: (The papal secretary hands him a few typed pages) Being an ardent scholar, Mrs. Pelosi, I think you will be very interested in these citations from the Canon Law of the Church. I will put them in the back of your book. They speak of ways and means by which a Catholic, even a public official, can incur certain penalties for causing scandal or for publicly leading others astray. Suppose an elected official said foolish, heretical things on television for millions to hear? Well, that person might be endangering their soul and could be barred from the sacraments.

Pelosi: (Grabbing the book and curtseying as she backs out) It has been wonderful meeting you again your Holiness. I will read your latest catechism book. Do you need a blurb or anything? I’ll have my office contact your secretary. This has been a historic moment for my colleagues and myself — uh, me.

Pope: Madame Speaker, it has been truly hysterical. I will keep you all in my prayers.

Pelosi: Thank you, Holiness. (She and the congressional delegation move toward the door) Go! Rosa, stop looking at the ceiling and go.

Pope: (Turning to his secretary) Was she smiling or grimacing as she left? Her expressions are hard to read, no?


32 posted on 12/01/2012 2:54:39 PM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: Olog-hai

C’mon St. Mary’s Center, be strong and tell them you don’t bow to their god/evil - “The thief has come to KILL/rob/destroy.

Let the community know St. Mary’s Center does not bow to evil even though Pelosi, et al, wants that from St. Mary’s. And put signs on every floor of your hospital saying that!

If they fine you, say the devil fined you! Tell it like it is and NO PC! We are to expose evil.


33 posted on 12/01/2012 3:09:51 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Olog-hai

There is nothing healing about anything listed every one of them interfere with life or outright kill.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 3:10:28 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Olog-hai

So, where do they display the scrotums removed from these cardinals and bishops?


35 posted on 12/01/2012 3:11:47 PM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Venturer

But Muslims are excluded from having to buy healthcare because it is against their religion; it’s considered gambling. Muslims work for employers who currently have insurance via employer and no doubt have to pay a portion of their healthcare where they work. But when it comes to Obamacare, they don’t have to buy any insurance? Catholics can be forced to provide insurance to employee’s even though it’s against their religion?


36 posted on 12/01/2012 3:13:32 PM PST by Engedi
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To: doug from upland

She may figure if the CC is silent on that in her regard, she’s been given their blessing to continue onward.


37 posted on 12/01/2012 3:16:12 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Olog-hai

“Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius—who, like Pelosi, is Catholic”

Not really. They just SAY they are.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 3:28:57 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Olog-hai

She is the daughter of one of Baltimore’s most corrupt mayors in its history, “Tommy D.” Delasandro. Catholicism means nothing to her, never has. Why should this shock or upset anyone that knows her history? She rejected the church when she was in high school and has never changed since. She had great moral examples from her family.


39 posted on 12/01/2012 3:31:17 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: Olog-hai

In what objective sense are Pelosi and Sibelius devotees of Jesus Christ in the Roman Catholic tradition?


40 posted on 12/01/2012 4:59:25 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Olog-hai

If the Catholic bishops have any integrity left, they will close all hospitals and schools and fire all employees rather than give in.


41 posted on 12/01/2012 5:46:59 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Olog-hai
Either endorse her or excommunicate her.....it really is very simple.

It does not even require balls just a conscience.

42 posted on 12/01/2012 5:51:35 PM PST by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: Olog-hai

Excommunicate her. It should be no big deal to her, as she is a CINO.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 5:53:03 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Kakaze

BUMP


44 posted on 12/01/2012 5:53:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: FamiliarFace

I am not Catholic but an Evangelical (who left Rome a few after after being born again), but yes, traditions RC’s certainly yearn to see it rigorously applied.

However, the hearers of the law look for its interpretation in how the preachers of it apply it, and what Rome effectually overall conveys is that faith in the power of the church will save souls who die Catholic, no matter how nominal, as she treats them as members in life and in death, as the example of Ted Kennedy illustrates. And thus it fosters nominalism , as do many Protestant churches.


45 posted on 12/01/2012 6:30:28 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Engedi

Everyone in America should claim to be Muslim.


46 posted on 12/01/2012 7:00:11 PM PST by Venturer
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