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Half of those on Liverpool Care Pathway never told.. [ Death by NHS]
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 01 Dec 2012 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 12/01/2012 5:40:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

Each year around 130,000 patients are placed on the Lierpool Care Pathway, which can involve the withdrawal of drugs, fluids and food, and the administration of powerful pain relief. A national audit by the Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute Liverpool and the Royal College of Physicians ... demonstrated that in total, around 57,000 patients a year are dying in NHS hospitals without being told that efforts to keep them alive have been stopped.

It also reveals that thousands of dying patients have been left to suffer in pain, with no attempt to keep them comfortable while drugs were administered. just how routinely hospitals are placing patients on the pathway without informing them that steps which could hasten their death have been taken. The national audit found:

• In 44 per cent of cases when conscious patients were placed on the pathway, there was no record that the decision had been discussed with them.

• For 22 per cent of patients on the pathway, there was no evidence that comfort and safety had been maintained while medication was administered.

• One in three families of the dying never received a leaflet they should have been given to explain the process.

Critics of the pathway say it is being used to hasten the deaths of the terminally-ill and elderly, in a form of "back-door euthanasia".

Other doctors, nurses and charities for the dying have come to the defence of the approach...

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In a hard-hitting speech last week Mr Jeremy Hunt, Health Secretary, expressed concern about the culture of the NHS, warning that too many patients were forced to experience "coldness, resentment, indifference" and "even contempt".

He warned that in the worst institutions a "normalisation of cruelty" had been fostered.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: death; deathpanel; euthanasia; nhs; socialism
When it comes here, it'll be sold to us as a "right". Critics will be accused of "imposing their morality." And the massive, non-consenting killing program will certainly use the labels "Compassion", "Choice", and "Care".
1 posted on 12/01/2012 5:40:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wow.... yet the NHS is sacrosanct.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 5:43:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Marie Curie, the gal who overdosed on the radium she was so inquisitive about and died miserably as a result. Yup she’s a good name sake for turn-your-liver-into-a-pool care.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 5:44:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: markomalley; Mortrey; Shery; RichInOC; hosepipe; Holly_P; LostInBayport; 43north; spokeshave; ...

May be of interest.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 5:45:32 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

In America, at least Congress and Moslems are
explicitly exempt from such DEATH CARE PANELS
and malicious manipulation
of what was once ‘medicine’. [/s]


5 posted on 12/01/2012 5:45:32 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The NAZI’s would be proud


6 posted on 12/01/2012 5:46:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If your doctor says anything about a “Care Pathway”... you in deep kimchi


7 posted on 12/01/2012 5:48:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Death by welfare-state can take many forms. Currently the preferred methods are passive, but it won't be long before governments start utilizing more active methods.

It's the natural progression of socialism to totalitarianism.

8 posted on 12/01/2012 5:51:44 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There is still a big part of the American populace that is unlie the British. It still has a healthy spirit of rebellion. There actually are people that if you tell them their elderly relative isn’t worth saving, might form the same opinion about you.
As the democrats say, the personal is the political. Works both ways. A political game can become VERY personal.

People will only be pushed so far. All i know is that it’s coming here and they show no fear of us whatsoever. Thats a dangerous combination.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 5:53:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(Each year around 130,000 patients are placed on the Lierpool Care Pathway, which can involve the withdrawal of drugs, fluids and food, and the administration of powerful pain relief. A national audit by the Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute Liverpool and the Royal College of Physicians ... demonstrated that in total, around 57,000 patients a year are dying in NHS hospitals without being told that efforts to keep them alive have been stopped.

It also reveals that thousands of dying patients have been left to suffer in pain, with no attempt to keep them comfortable while drugs were administered. just how routinely hospitals are placing patients on the pathway without informing them that steps which could hasten their death have been taken...0

The death panels of Europe are now in America with the obamanaiton death care plan, just give them a pill and let them die so the government can get rid of them as they are too old to be useful. Socialism father is Satan and its adherents bloody by nature,

10 posted on 12/01/2012 5:57:49 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

>> When it comes here,

All these events contribute the shifting balance of civility.

May we keep the Country on track to avoid the necessity of an abrupt correction.


11 posted on 12/01/2012 6:02:55 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DesertRhino

Ignorance and famine and bloodshed are always the way of those who are arrogant and foolish enough to trust government instead of Jesus Christ, who supplies all our needs by the riches of His grace.

America is a doomed nation and only the godless do not know it.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 6:02:57 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: Diogenesis

So Rep. Keith Ellison is doubly safe? This is basically the death panels that Gov. Sarah Palin warned us about.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 6:03:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s already here in the form of Hospice Care.


14 posted on 12/01/2012 6:05:42 PM PST by GopherIt
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Laura Donnelly, the author, can’t spell - it’s defense, not defence.


15 posted on 12/01/2012 6:06:26 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

The British have different spellings for some words. This was from a UK publication.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 6:10:22 PM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thank God that Obama,Soros,Gates,Reid,Michael Moore and many other of our “betters” will never be placed on a “death pathway”.
17 posted on 12/01/2012 6:14:33 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You’re right, of course.

“around 57,000 patients a year are dying in NHS hospitals without being told that efforts to keep them alive have been stopped.”

When this starts happening in America, it will be up to the families of these victims to start killing these left-wing Nazis by the tens of thousands, including their children.

If you don’t know what that entails, read up on the killing philosophy of Curtis LeMay.

We are about to go to war. Lock ‘n load, good people.


18 posted on 12/01/2012 6:15:12 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: GeronL
The NAZI’s would be proud.

Mao would be far prouder.

19 posted on 12/01/2012 6:17:56 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: GopherIt

“It’s already here in the form of Hospice Care.”

Hospice is at least a choice and a known quantity.

The other way the NHS deals with expendable people is by slow-rolling them, delaying appointments, making the wait for treatment, etc. The sick joke was that the wait for an abortion was 10 months.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 6:19:20 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: kindred

We may be coming to the point where we may have to quench the thirst of the liberty tree


21 posted on 12/01/2012 6:20:59 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Gay State Conservative

bump


22 posted on 12/01/2012 6:23:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DesertRhino
All i know is that it’s coming here and they show no fear of us whatsoever. Thats a dangerous combination.

The other thing that makes the situation here REALLY explosive is the fact that the "they" you refer to voted unanimously for it, while the "us" you refer to voted unanimously against it.

23 posted on 12/01/2012 6:27:33 PM PST by C210N (In favor of private rights and public happiness)
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To: sergeantdave
Killing "tens of thousands, including their children"? Why, that's the Nazi philosophy to a T.

That's the part that leads to hell.

24 posted on 12/01/2012 6:34:40 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When this comes to America it will e called “The Chicago Way”.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 6:35:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: PLMerite

Hospice is at least a choice and a known quantity.

Choice yes, but known, not necessarily. Drugging with opiates is placed on a schedule administered arbitrarily by hospice nurses, who may or may not be hemlock society types, or may not appreciate the remaining “value” of the patient. I’ve seen deliberate acceleration of death in otherwise sentient cancer patients at least twice, in personal circumstances.

The main point is that the “path”, and the corresponding frame of mind, is present here now, and quite ready to be implemented to a further, “official” degree.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 6:36:31 PM PST by GopherIt
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To: Mrs. Don-o
They are doing it with kids too.
27 posted on 12/01/2012 6:45:55 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: ronnie raygun

“We may be coming to the point where we may have to quench the thirst of the liberty tree’

I only pray the tree is quenched more with the blood of tyrants than the blood of patriots.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 6:50:00 PM PST by Wisconsinlady ("Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves")
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To: sergeantdave

Do you have a Curtis LeMay link I could read? Thanks!


29 posted on 12/01/2012 7:11:25 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It's the natural progression of socialism to totalitarianism.

Exactly. what these sheep don't realize is that it HAS to be that way. Socialism can't sustain itself and provide all the benefits once the host has been consumed. Then it must become more totalitarian just to survive.

What frightens me is these leftists in our Congress know this. They may be liberals but they are not stupid. They must know where this is leading. they are either

1) apparently good with it, or

2) being liberals they are too idealistic to believe it has to end that way

30 posted on 12/01/2012 7:20:27 PM PST by plain talk
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To: sergeantdave

I tried to explain the holocaust’s precursors to middle school and later elementary aged children, friends of my daughter. Yes, Jews died, but so did devout Catholics, atheists, homosexuals and Roma. It wasn’t just about killing Jews but the “unfit”. I was asked how they could do this to other people. I answered that they could kill over six million people in nations they took over because they’d killed their own disabled relatives and neighbors first. After that, it is easy to kill those who aren’t even considered your people.


31 posted on 12/01/2012 7:20:58 PM PST by tbw2
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To: ronnie raygun
Here's something I wrote a while back:

I've posted this many times before but what if somebody is denied healthcare under Bammycare? People naturally have spouses, children, siblings, friends, parents, grandparents, etc. depending on the age of the one denied. I would hate to be a member of a death panel making such a decision to deny. I'd stay out of dark allies, look under my car before starting it, keep my eyes out for shadows, and jump at every noise I hear at night. Is that noise I hear at 2:30 AM the neighbor's cat or is it Grandpa Jones' grandson, which I denied care to his granddad, with a posse of his friends armed with baseball bats and a shotgun? How about blocking the road in front of me, an old lady in a 1967 Caddy. Did she break down or is she the wife of the man who I denied a hip replacement to, waiting for me where as I step out of my car to help, the last thing I hear is a .45 going off just before St. Peter appears. It's 10 PM, my kid is late in coming home and the phone rings. How about this, what if I denied care to a Tony Soprano?

I know under the insurance companies, there are cases of denial but in a lot of cases, you can get the doctor and hospital to get them to reverse their decision or just go ahead and let the family pay for it and/or go on a charity case. Not so with the government, if you are denied, there is very little redress at all. Ayn Rand put in in a long monologue where it boils down to this, "the more laws you create, the more criminals you make" and when you eliminate the process and route where one can make a challenge to make things right legally, that leaves only one other way, revenge and/or at least forced coercion via illegal means. This is a pandora's box to be sure, people will do anything for their loved ones and for survival.

I remember Quark's quote from DS9 (Star Trek) about us humans, "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty Klingon."

I don't feel comfortable in visioning this scenario, but if we keep going on the present track, it will happen.

32 posted on 12/01/2012 7:26:24 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All
When it comes here...

It is already here - a Hospice House here does the exact same thing - withholds food and gives morphine IV to keep the patient unconscious until the patient dies.

My husband's doctor wanted me to send him to a Hospice House and my husband was sitting up and talking and making sense. His sister and I went to the Hospice House to go through it.

There was a room set aside for a funeral home to come talk to you to plan the funeral. Any person going into Hospice will never come out alive and that is the truth.

When I got back to the hospital, I spoke to a lady doctor who was actually in charge of his case. She told me Hospice takes no measure to keep a patient alive, they are sent there to die. I would not send him there and he lived over a month longer, still talking to us.

If you look up the definition of "hospice", you find this:

1. a house of shelter or rest for pilgrims, strangers, etc., especially one kept by a religious order.

2. Medicine/Medical A. A health-care facility for the terminally ill that emphasizes pain control and emotional support for the patient and family, typically refraining from taking extraordinary measures to prolong life.

B. A similar program of care and support for the terminally ill at home.

Hospice at home is likely not to have the person on a morphine drip - it would have to be pills unless there is a nurse there constantly to see about the IV.

The truth about Hospice Houses in our country is not being told. They pretend to be swell, caring places, then, in my opinion, they murder the patients and would have murdered my husband.

That stops the Medicare cost - sedate them, withhold food/moisture and they die, just like in England.

Don't any of you write a post to me about how fine Hospice Houses are - if you believe that, you don't know the truth. I found out the truth.

33 posted on 12/01/2012 7:33:37 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All
When it comes here...

It is already here - a Hospice House here does the exact same thing - withholds food and gives morphine IV to keep the patient unconscious until the patient dies.

My husband's doctor wanted me to send him to a Hospice House and my husband was sitting up and talking and making sense. His sister and I went to the Hospice House to go through it.

There was a room set aside for a funeral home to come talk to you to plan the funeral. Any person going into Hospice will never come out alive and that is the truth.

When I got back to the hospital, I spoke to a lady doctor who was actually in charge of his case. She told me Hospice takes no measure to keep a patient alive, they are sent there to die. I would not send him there and he lived over a month longer, still talking to us.

If you look up the definition of "hospice", you find this:

1. a house of shelter or rest for pilgrims, strangers, etc., especially one kept by a religious order.

2. Medicine/Medical A. A health-care facility for the terminally ill that emphasizes pain control and emotional support for the patient and family, typically refraining from taking extraordinary measures to prolong life.

B. A similar program of care and support for the terminally ill at home.

Hospice at home is likely not to have the person on a morphine drip - it would have to be pills unless there is a nurse there constantly to see about the IV.

The truth about Hospice Houses in our country is not being told. They pretend to be swell, caring places, then, in my opinion, they murder the patients and would have murdered my husband.

That stops the Medicare cost - sedate them, withhold food/moisture and they die, just like in England.

Don't any of you write a post to me about how fine Hospice Houses are - if you believe that, you don't know the truth. I found out the truth.

34 posted on 12/01/2012 7:35:35 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I understand your distress with my statement, but leftists understand only three things:

1. Threats of violence.

2. Violence.

3. Death.

Reagan understood that and brought down the Soviet Union with threats of violence. It’s the way the world works, unfortunately. The left cannot be reasoned with.


35 posted on 12/01/2012 7:38:18 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sadly enough, the euthanasia—first of the mentally retarded, and mentally ill—programs in Germany, that culminated in the Holocaust, started NOT under the Nazis, but in the democratic Weimar Republic.

Of course the Nazis made it (much) worse, and greatly sped of the “mercy killing” of those whose “life was not worth living” (Hitler’s terms), but my point is, it was originally a product of the modern secular state in Germany—BEFORE even the infection of National Socialism took hold.


36 posted on 12/01/2012 8:52:47 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Wisconsinlady

What could the Libtards fight for? Obama? Free cell phones? Gay marriage?


37 posted on 12/01/2012 8:55:19 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Marcella

I practice medicine. Many of my patients are elderly and in ill health. Hospice is supposed to be for people who are not expected to live longer than 6 months.

Many of my chronically ill patients who accepted hospice care died within days to weeks. One died before the hospice nurses could get to him. Another one with terminal chronic obstructive pulmonary disease got kicked out of hospice after 8 months. He died 4 months later. Just like life, every death is different

I am fortunate in that the geographical area I live in is very Red and still adheres to Christian, American values. We see death as a part of life and don’t try to hurry it along. It is still very hard to see a loved one get ready to leave this life. I fully expect that there will be a lot of hospice horror stories coming out of blue areas with large populations of “progressives” and forty-seven percenters. Heck, there probably already are.

My father died last year. He had Alzheimer’s disease but it was the recurrence of his prostate cancer that finally took him. He had recorded advance directives that specifically forbade any kind of intervention other than “comfort care”. When he started to get really sick the hospice staff gave him regular injections of morphine. Eventually he didn’t need them because he stopped drinking and died 4 days later. He was “on hospice” for a total of 12 days. In my opinion, he died a good death. His suffering was minimal and he did not linger.

I would advise everyone who reads this to record advance directives (a “living will”) while you are healthy so that your family will be aware of your wishes and ready to fight for you should it come to that.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 9:47:01 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north

My living will says to take every measure to keep me alive no matter what and to try to have my brain installed into a new body, preferably a young clone....


39 posted on 12/01/2012 9:58:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Greetings, Mrs. Don-o - I’ve been just ultra busy and not taking care of so many things - I will read and ping this out tomorrow!


40 posted on 12/01/2012 10:05:34 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GeronL

My living will states that I want my brain transplanted into the body of a young stud with a hot wife...


41 posted on 12/01/2012 10:13:32 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north

and if you get the hot wife instead?

/sarc


42 posted on 12/01/2012 10:20:21 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: sergeantdave; RushIsMyTeddyBear; don-o
This advocacy of "killing children" is the philosophy of the SS-Totenkopfverbände and the Madrassa. That way leads, not to the legitimate defense of the famly and the nation, but to eternal horror.

"Where the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

43 posted on 12/02/2012 7:05:07 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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