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Fair shares for everyone
The Guardian ^ | 21 September 1999 | ---

Posted on 12/01/2012 7:30:13 PM PST by combat_boots

A group in the Midlands are pooling their income and distributing it according to needs. Andrea Smith reports Share

Part-time management consultant Guy Simmons earns £322 a week - yet every time he needs a new shirt for work, he has to get the agreement of five other people.

Guy, 52, is a member of an East Midlands group called Snowball, which opposes capitalism and consumerism. The five adult members and one child pool every penny of their income, redistributing it according to need.

Youth worker Katy Wright, 36, says: "Really, we are a little welfare state, but we are people-sized. People can see in their own lives that sharing resources works."

The group - called Snowball because they hoped that it would - grew out of the London squatters' movement in the 1970s. Now more than 20 years old, it is one of about half-a-dozen formal, income-sharing pools in Britain.

Each has its own system. Snowball meets fortnightly. Everyone declares his or her income and requirements for cash. The first call on the kitty is for cash for food, rent and household bills. Added to this, each adult receives £17.50 pocket money a week. The youngest member, 11-year-old Hertha Taverner-Wood, receives a pound for every year of her age.

Requests are then made for childcare costs or non-NHS medical treatment, for example. These are usually agreed without question. Next people ask for cash for expenditure such as clothing - often second-hand - or conference fees.

This category of outgoings is more open to debate, but disagreements are rare as each member tries to be mindful of the others in making requests. Perhaps it is this openness that has deterred free-loaders. Wright explains: "Basically, people self-select."

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communism; fairshare
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1 posted on 12/01/2012 7:30:18 PM PST by combat_boots
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“Race, class and opportunity: John A. Powell
October 4, 2009

A very good 4 part series on race, class and opportunity done by the Real News Network. Part 1 is below.

Bio

John A. Powell: Professor and Williams Chair in Civil Rights and Civil Liberties at the Moritz College of Law at the Ohio State University and Executive Director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity, john powell is an internationally recognized authority in the areas of civil rights, civil liberties, and issues relating to race, ethnicity, poverty, and the law. He was previously national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, founder and director of the Institute on Race and Poverty at the University of Minnesota, and a co-founder of the Poverty and Race Research Action Council. He formerly taught at law schools including Harvard and Columbia University. Professor powell serves on the board of several national organizations. He holds a J.D. from the University of California Berkeley, and a B.A. from Stanford University.”

http://todayshottopic.com/2009/10/04/race-class-and-opportunity-john-a-powell/

No doubt, part of the ‘national standards’ inherent in Race to the Top funding: itself, an unfunded mandate that makes W’s K-16 initiative a piker.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 7:33:12 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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“February 22, 2011

Domini, Other Investors, and Civil Society Organizations Call on Multinationals to Pay Fair Share of Taxes

Following a December meeting at Yale University, a coalition of financial and civil society organizations, including Domini Social Investments, issued a statement calling for a country-by-country financial reporting standard for multinational corporations. The conference was organized by Global Financial Integrity (GFI), a non-governmental organization focused on curtailing the cross-border flow of illegal money.

According to GFI, “Tax dodging by multinational companies costs developing countries over a hundred billion dollars every year — more than the entire global aid budget — at a time when the global crisis is prompting severe cuts in states’ budgets around the world and millions of children are denied a basic education.” Working with GFI and other conference participants, we helped to draft the New Haven Declaration on Corporate Financial Transparency, which was endorsed by a coalition of civil society and investor organizations. The Declaration also formed the basis for a letter to the European Commission.

The statement’s signatories “recognize that although one of the first responsibilities of business to society is to pay its fair share of taxes, aggressive and ‘creative’ global tax strategies have become commonplace among multinational corporations, resulting in significant tax losses to both developed and developing countries.” The statement notes that “approximately $100 billion in tax revenues leaves developing economies each year due to trade-related price manipulation by corporations.” Signatories agreed to support appropriate public policies in this area, and to commit to monitoring corporate activity and raising these concerns with corporate management.

Read the New Haven Declaration on Corporate Financial Transparency, and the letter to the European Commission (December 21, 2010), supporting a country-by-country reporting standard.

Domini’s Global Investment Standards seek “fair tax dealings” and openness in corporate government relations.”

http://www.domini.com/about-domini/News/Press-Release-Archive/Multinationals-to-Pay-Fair-Share-201.doc_cvt.htm


3 posted on 12/01/2012 7:34:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots
It's been tried.It won't work.If they need confirmation they can check with the East Germans...or the North Koreans.
4 posted on 12/01/2012 7:35:05 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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“Disparate Impact - Education Law

Actions that negatively affect individuals in particular groups as defined by race, color, religion, sex, or national origin are referred to as having a disparate or disproportionate impact. The concept of disparate impact flows from Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the large amount of litigation it fostered. Much of the litigation surrounding disparate impact is based on statistical proof of the discriminatory effects of employment practices.

In Griggs v. Duke Power Company (1971), the U.S. Supreme Court explained that the purpose of Title VII was to remove unnecessary barriers that inadvertently discriminated on the basis of impermissible classifications. In Griggs, the Court held that facially neutral employment practices may be included under Title VII if they led to the disproportionate representation of individuals based on race, ethnicity, or gender. The Court also ruled that actions that had an adverse effect on employees in protected classes, even if there was no intent to harm certain groups, was a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Yet, in 1976 the Court held in Washington v. Davis, a dispute over the hiring of police officers, that discriminatory intent must also be proven in order for a plaintiff or plaintiffs to prove a constitutional violation.

Under the law of disparate impact, parties claiming that comparable or similar actions have led to an unconstitutional discriminatory effect must show that the actions disproportionately caused them harm. As such, a discriminatory effect within a disparate impact case stems from what is referred to as facially neutral policy. This simply means that there was no overt, deliberate intent to discriminate in a policy, but the policy’s implementation had a discriminatory effect on individuals based on race, ethnicity, or gender.

Disparate impact cases are based on statistical data that demonstrate the extent to which the implemented neutral policy negatively impacted a particular demographic group, E. W. Shoben has pointed out. The results of this negative impact are referred to as adverse impact. Adverse impact is a substantially different rate of selection in hiring, promotion, or other employment decisions that may disadvantage members of a particular racial, ethnic, or gender group, Shoben notes. A selection rate for any group that is less than 80% is deemed adverse impact.

Insofar as disparate impact analysis is not a heavily used theory of discrimination, many questions remain unanswered. For example, it is unclear how disparate impact theory can be used to help institutions, whether in K–12 or higher education settings, to prevent or deter adverse impact on protected groups. Further, even though disparate impact theory has not been applied often to K–12 or higher education, it does reveal great promise for addressing discrimination and inequities in the educational arena, both for employees and students.

Paul Green

See also Affirmative Action; Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka and Equal Educational Opportunities; Title VII”

http://lawhighereducation.com/253-disparate-impact.html


5 posted on 12/01/2012 7:35:59 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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“Disparate impact analysis calculator”

http://zipdf.com/disparate_impact_analysis_calculator


6 posted on 12/01/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

I don’t see anything wrong with this if it’s all volunteer, which the socialism we have to deal with isn’t. And by ‘all volunteer’ I’m not including children born into this system. I expect it would turn many people away from socialism, having to deal with its reality on a small, appreciable, personal scale. But from their name it seems this particular group of socialists isn’t really content with socialism just being in their immediate circle either.


7 posted on 12/01/2012 7:39:09 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sure communism has failed every time it has been tried but this time it will work.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 7:46:12 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: OldNewYork

I don’t see anything wrong with this even it it’s not volunteer. As long as the umbrella is based on the mother (XX only) and father (XY only), and their children. I’d even build an entire civilization based on this paradigm, with very few exceptions.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:22 PM PST by C210N (In favor of private rights and public happiness)
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To: combat_boots

This is retarded.

seriously.

Twentieth Motors Kibbutzim in small.

Do you really think having to get permission from other people to buy a shirt makes any sense at all??


10 posted on 12/01/2012 7:49:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Gay State Conservative

also check with the pilgrims.


11 posted on 12/01/2012 7:53:32 PM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: GeronL

Preaching to the choir here......

The wording makes me wonder, though. Perhaps the ridiculousness of these concepts is really what 0bama is pushing.

Lavish, garish excess for him and extraordinary grayness and poverty for everyone else.

Three-year baccalaureates to train people to perform like circus monkeys: technicians. But REAL education, REAL thought, REAL research? Nope.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 7:54:21 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: bravo whiskey
also check with the pilgrims.

Exactly. They cut that plan out, quick.

13 posted on 12/01/2012 7:57:23 PM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: C210N

“I don’t see anything wrong with this even it it’s not volunteer. As long as the umbrella is based on the mother (XX only) and father (XY only), and their children. I’d even build an entire civilization based on this paradigm, with very few exceptions.”
_______________________________________________________________

Haha, well... yes.

Should I have added, ‘part of being an adult, part of being in a free society, is taking responsibility for mistakes in choices made’?


14 posted on 12/01/2012 8:05:49 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: combat_boots

Murder in a Commune?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2964826/posts


15 posted on 12/01/2012 8:06:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: combat_boots

I need a lot. Please send ASAP.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 8:07:24 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Jane Long

Pilgrim productivity suffered until each man was allowed to reap the rewards of his own private enterprise.


17 posted on 12/01/2012 8:10:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: OldNewYork

Combat Boots-
This would probably work for me and my friends, but if we were forced to accept people like my layabout nephew or my friend’s druggy sister-in-law, the bad side of communalism would soon show. Purges and gulags and mass graves.


18 posted on 12/01/2012 8:15:25 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: combat_boots

“an East Midlands group called Snowball, which opposes capitalism and consumerism”

Maybe someone should explain to these pinheads that the only reason aren’t resorting to cannibalism is because they’re smack in the middle of capitalism.


19 posted on 12/01/2012 8:17:42 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: combat_boots

Snowballs chance in..heck


20 posted on 12/01/2012 8:18:22 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: combat_boots

Idiots!


21 posted on 12/01/2012 8:19:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: All

Earth to snowball....if it wasn’t for capitalism, you wouldn’t have anything to redistribute.

In time, those in need will get lazier and find new ways to justify/increase their “need”. Those who produce will find no incentive to increase their productivity (and actually get less productive so as have less to get looted).


22 posted on 12/01/2012 8:38:29 PM PST by Kolath
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To: combat_boots

TRAGEDY_OF_THE_COMMONS_PING!


23 posted on 12/01/2012 8:52:47 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Kolath

bump


24 posted on 12/01/2012 8:57:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

bump!


25 posted on 12/01/2012 9:01:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: combat_boots
The group is far from desperate: it has reserves of £17,500. Their homes - Guy lives in Stafford and the other five share housing in Leicester - are comfortable and warm, but there are no video machines or CD players.

So they can't even scrounge together $50 for a basic DVD player? Yeah, they're really living the high life.

But the group does believe that income-sharing alone is a powerful tool for social change. Wood says: "If the 6 million or 7 million people who supported the striking miners in 1984 had income pooled with them, then each individual's income would have dropped by just a penny - and the strike never would have been broken."

6 million x 1 pence = 60,000 pounds per month. So either they only had a couple dozen miners on strike or someone failed second grade math class.

26 posted on 12/01/2012 9:30:58 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Oh there will be rumblings and wars and rumors of wars but the book of Revelations is all the warning we need.

But nobody knows the time or date it will happen, it will be like a thief in the night.

and most professed Christians will likely follow the anti-Christ until it is too late


27 posted on 12/01/2012 9:34:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: KarlInOhio

lol

Good catch.

They think that math works?


28 posted on 12/01/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

#27- wrong thread, lol


29 posted on 12/01/2012 9:38:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: C210N

Exactly. Earth To The Snowballers——It’s called a FAMILY!


30 posted on 12/01/2012 9:47:06 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: combat_boots

Reminds me of the Hutterites(religious group) series on tv. They all had to pool their money and decide what to spend it on.


31 posted on 12/01/2012 9:49:47 PM PST by windcliff
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To: windcliff

I saw one or two of those.... didn’t look very real to me.


32 posted on 12/01/2012 9:52:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: OldNewYork

Pretty much how it works in my house, I give the wife my check, and I have to clear all my purchases with her.


33 posted on 12/01/2012 9:57:56 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL

Probably not but entertaining.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 10:04:47 PM PST by windcliff
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To: combat_boots
Socialism works within the confines of small family groups with an identical cultural heritage where the mother or father is the absolute dictator and has the final word on the allocation of resources. Beyond that it's a disaster.

The problem is when idiots attempt to apply the principal to a larger social unit. Then the disaster expands and the sky is the limit for how bad it gets.

35 posted on 12/02/2012 5:26:15 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: combat_boots
Fair shares for everyone

Next comes "The Lottery" (Actual story at the link)...

36 posted on 12/02/2012 5:40:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: OldNewYork
I don’t see anything wrong with this if it’s all volunteer, which the socialism we have to deal with isn’t. And by ‘all volunteer’ I’m not including children born into this system. I expect it would turn many people away from socialism, having to deal with its reality on a small, appreciable, personal scale. But from their name it seems this particular group of socialists isn’t really content with socialism just being in their immediate circle either.

I think it's a good thing - it will help prove (once again) that socialism/communism doesn't work because it goes against Man's nature.

I remember when folks decided to start communes in the 60s to live the good life where everyone benefited from everyone else and all shared equally. The communes fell apart for the same reason Russia fell apart and why Europe 9and now the USA) are falling aprt - too many decided not to actually do their fair share of work and just lived off the sweat of the others. The moochers would have been content to go like that forever - the producers decided that they didn't want to work hard to end up in the same place as the non-workers. It has failed time and again and will continue to fail - government force is the only thing that holds it together until the workers have finally had enough and decide to take their place in the dole line - no workers = no dole.

37 posted on 12/02/2012 5:46:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Caipirabob

It won’t happen per year, though, this lottery. Culling the very young, the old, the weak and disabled, will have direct correlation in numbers to killing off all those categories mentioned in the DHS memo of 2009.

We are the enemy of these people. They want us dead.


38 posted on 12/02/2012 8:55:42 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots
These guys are silly -- communism can work in a tight-knit community like a monastery, joint family, kibbutz, but not in the wider world

I agree that too much of a consumerist culture is bad, but a consumer culture also enabled the rapid developments in technology.

39 posted on 12/02/2012 11:58:19 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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