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Interesting Development In Trayvon Martin Case
Vanity | 01 December 2012 | zeestephen

Posted on 12/01/2012 10:12:35 PM PST by zeestephen

The George Zimmerman defense team has filed a motion to compel Benjamin Crump, the Trayvon Martin family attorney, to produce the original recording of his telephone interview with Trayvon's girlfriend "Dee Dee". Summary in Comments.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin; vanity; zimmerman
On 26 February 2012, George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

Over the next three weeks every public statement by law enforcement reported the same thing - namely, George Zimmerman was freely cooperating with the investigation, and no evidence contradicted his statements.

On 20 March 2012, Benjamin Crump, Martin family attorney, held a live press conference in South Florida.

Crump stated that phone logs confirmed that Trayvon had communicated by phone and text with his girlfriend "Dee Dee" for much of the day he was killed.

Crump claimed that Dee Dee had been on the phone with Trayvon only seconds before his death.

Crump claimed that Trayvon told Dee Dee he was being chased by some man, and that he was very frightened of this stranger and was trying to run away or hide.

Crump claimed he interviewed Dee Dee by phone on 19 March, and that he recorded that interview in his office in front of several witnesses.

Although law enforcement certainly had the same phone logs as Crump, there is no public evidence that they had any knowledge of Dee Dee before 20 March.

A Florida prosecutor finally interviewed Dee Dee on 02 April 2012.

The transcript of this interview raises more questions than it answers.

Notably, why did Dee Dee never contact 911, or law enforcement, or Trayvon's parents, or tell her mother about these phone calls?

Also, in several key parts of the prosecutor's interview, even a neutral observer of this case would say it sounds like she's been coached.

And, at several points Dee Dee explicitly contradicts herself, and the prosecutor either tries to help her clean up the error or just glosses over it.

Dee Dee is the heart and soul of the prosecution's case.

Yet, Dee Dee and Crump were familiar with almost every important piece of evidence in this case BEFORE they finally stepped forward with her version of the facts.

And, for months the prosecution refused to provide Zimmerman's defense with Dee Dee's full name and contact information.

Only in September, and almost accidentally, the defense learned that Dee Dee is not a minor, but is 18.

And today, Benjamin Crump still refuses to turn over the first interview ever with Dee Dee.

Will that tape bring still more questions about Dee Dee's honesty?

Stay tuned.

1 posted on 12/01/2012 10:12:43 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks zeestephen.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 10:17:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: zeestephen

As the actual trial looms closer, the gibmedats will start flowing.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 10:23:24 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: zeestephen
Crump would be wise to emigrate to Singapore about now, as would Angela Corey.
4 posted on 12/01/2012 10:35:14 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: zeestephen
Trayvon Martin Case Whoopsie – Scheme Team MEGA-Fail: “Dee Dee” is Keyser Soze – Motion to Compel
5 posted on 12/01/2012 10:55:16 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: zeestephen
Another interesting development...

Sanford cops a problem for prosecutors in Zimmerman case, experts say

"Serino wrote in a sworn affidavit that there was probable cause to arrest Zimmerman. But he later told the Federal Bureau of Investigation he was pressured to author that document and didn't believe the evidence was sufficient for the manslaughter charge he recommended."

6 posted on 12/01/2012 11:09:16 PM PST by kanawa
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To: kanawa

Trouble for the Race Baiters! One hard fact about out judicial system: it moves at a slow pace that wrings the emotion out of a case. Even Dr. Al is having trouble leading the emotional charge against Zimmerman now!


7 posted on 12/01/2012 11:14:53 PM PST by 2010Freeper
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To: kanawa
Your link sure turned my head around, kanawa.

Orlando Sentinel.

I was expecting some unknown blogger.

Serino hired a top line defense lawyer for his deposition?

That is freaking amazing.

8 posted on 12/01/2012 11:56:17 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Love it. If the state rushes things, they may still be able to salvage a plea to a littering charge, but that’s fading fast. There’s no way anything she has to say goes to the jury without Crump coughing up the tape. If he’s coaching or recruiting her on that first tape he’ll have a whole lot of ‘splaining to do.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 1:46:48 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

It would be a fascinating demonstration of media spiraling if the case just falls apart and he’s innocent in the end. You could take hours of MSNBC coverage and show the path.


10 posted on 12/02/2012 2:48:01 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: zeestephen
Once again the Non Rev AL & scumbag Jessie have mucked up things.
Ruined another life for their own good or bad. . .
11 posted on 12/02/2012 3:06:54 AM PST by DeaconRed (We couldn't beat the least qualified and absolute worst president ever. Our party is done for.)
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To: pepsionice
"You could take hours of MSNBC coverage and show the path."

It was local channel 9 here in Orlando that got the whole thing going. They did their own investigation and "Interviewed" witnesses on camera. Turns out some of the so called witnesses didn't see anything but wanted their 15 minutes of fame.
It was a slow news cycle and the national news picked up on it Channel 9 is a ABC station. ABC ran with it an the race baiters licked it up like a bear eating honey.

12 posted on 12/02/2012 3:16:03 AM PST by DeaconRed (We couldn't beat the least qualified and absolute worst president ever. Our party is done for.)
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To: zeestephen

Did you get that info from Theconservativetreehouse.com?


13 posted on 12/02/2012 3:22:52 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t know what to believe anymore. Just the other day I read that the prosecutors have asked Martin’s family or Crump for the PIN number to the phone so they could access the data in it but the family has refused to do so........


14 posted on 12/02/2012 3:38:26 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: zeestephen
Although law enforcement certainly had the same phone logs as Crump, there is no public evidence that they had any knowledge of Dee Dee before 20 March.

That's hard to believe because I recalled reading about the GF right away. But sure enough Crump came up with the substance of her call sometime before the 20th of March and then announced it to the world as "connecting the dots" and "blowing away" Zimmerman's self defense claim. Before the 20th of March the girlfriend on the phone with Martin was just an item in each news story.

15 posted on 12/02/2012 3:40:01 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: zeestephen

Wouldn’t be surprised if Dee Dee doesn’t “Dee Dee”...


16 posted on 12/02/2012 6:36:04 AM PST by moovova
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To: zeestephen
I hope Zimmerman understands that even if the State of Florida drops the charges,a state judge dismisses the charges or a Florida jury finds him not guilty he'll still be facing Federal charges and that Attorney Corporal Holder (or,perhaps,Attorney Corporal Bill Ayers) will make sure he's convicted.
17 posted on 12/02/2012 7:29:48 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: zeestephen

Dee Dee, Trayvon's (Girl)friend

Discovery: DeeDee's (Trayvon's Girlfriend) Full Statement to the State Attorney


18 posted on 12/02/2012 7:44:33 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: zeestephen
Crump claimed he interviewed Dee Dee by phone on 19 March, and that he recorded that interview in his office in front of several witnesses.

Did anyone ever ask why "by phone"??? and not "in person"???

Who was with her on the other end of the phone in that interview???

Who is to say that the person on the other end of the phone on March 19th was the same person that BDLR deposed on April 2nd???

Isn't it curious that 2 days after this Crump-managed circus of revelations [3/20], Angela Corey is appointed special prosecutor [3/22], and she avoids a scheduled Grand Jury where DeeDee would have to appear, and charges Zimmerman on her own and the only evidence she has is the now-crumbling Crump narrative crafted 2 days before designed to secure her appointment.

19 posted on 12/02/2012 9:20:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Uncle Chip,

You ask some important questions.

According to Crump’s statements back in March, Dee Dee was a minor (wrong, she's 18), she was severely traumatized by Trayvon’s death, and her parents (or, maybe just mother, I forget) wanted to keep her completely out of the public eye.

According to Crump, he contacted Dee Dee's parents by phone, and they agreed to allow her to be phone interviewed, but ONLY by Benjamin Crump.

And, you are not the first person to ask how we know the Dee Dee interviewed by the Florida prosecutor is the same Dee Dee interviewed by Crump - we don't.

Something else of interest...

It appears that Florida law enforcement NEVER tried to obtain the Benjamin Crump tape recording.

The reason?

Who knows - but it's hard to imagine why seasoned prosecutors would be willing to bet their case on Dee Dee before they heard her “first tape.”

20 posted on 12/02/2012 1:14:55 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Hot Tabasco
Re: “Trayvon’s Phone PIN”

Yes, as I recall, Trayvon had two Operating Systems installed on his phone, but Florida investigators only found one of them.

I think the Defense team discovered the second OS, and they also asked for Trayvon’s PIN.

But, I'm not an expert on the whole case, so that may not be the whole story.

21 posted on 12/02/2012 1:24:51 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

What would be the purpose of a 2nd O/S??


22 posted on 12/02/2012 1:28:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: moovova

What “federal” charges?


23 posted on 12/02/2012 1:39:29 PM PST by vlpate
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To: palmer
Re: “Knowledge of Dee Dee”

You may be right, that the “Girlfriend” was talked about from the beginning of the case.

I can't recall.

However, I think the first time we heard the name “Dee Dee” was in Crump’s press conference.

Also, several bloggers claim that Trayvon’s parents said they had never heard of this “girlfriend” before, even though Dee Dee claimed she was dating Trayvon and they had been friends since kindergarten.

Also, there is no public evidence that prosecutors talked to Dee Dee before 02 April, even though Dee Dee claims to be a “cell phone witness” to the alleged murder.

24 posted on 12/02/2012 1:40:10 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: vlpate

There aren’t any yet... but if the locals can’t get the pre-ordained lynching done, the Feds will come up with something. Ask the Rodney King Cops.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 1:43:29 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: GeronL

Re: “Second OS”

I’ve heard speculation that drug dealers do that, but I have no clue.

Also, it occurred to me that some social media platforms might only work on a specific OS, so kids install more than one.

I don’t do social media, so, once again, I’m clueless.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 1:44:18 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Hot Tabasco
Re: “Conservative TreeHouse”

I read the Court Petition at TreeHouse.

However, the blogger, sundancecracker, claims in his article that Dee Dee is a complete fabrication and that Crump and the prosecutors are going to go jail.

That's possible, but I don't think the public evidence supports that conclusion today.

So, I just focused on the Petition and tried to give a good summary of relevant facts that everyone can confirm.

27 posted on 12/02/2012 1:55:08 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
According to Crump, he contacted Dee Dee's parents by phone, and they agreed to allow her to be phone interviewed, but ONLY by Benjamin Crump.

How convenient is that??? only by phone and only by an attorney. Those were Crump's rules not the mother's.

If she is 18 then Crump no longer needed to go through her mother for the rules of the interview. So who's buying that???

The reason Crump won't turn over a clear recording of that interview under any circumstances is that an analysis of the tape would show that the DeeDee of that Crump interview [3/19] was not the DeeDee on the tape of that BDLR deposition on 4/2.

It's the tale of the 2 DeeDees. How could this 18 y/o DeeDee have known Trayvon since kindergarten???

28 posted on 12/02/2012 2:34:08 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: zeestephen
It appears that Florida law enforcement NEVER tried to obtain the Benjamin Crump tape recording.

The SP Angela Corey took over the case on March 22nd, immediately after the March 20th Crump press conference. It was her duty to secure that tape recording and all the details of that interview, especially since DeeDee was and is the state's star witness in their charging document.

The big question here is what will Corey's office do now that they have this motion, and they know that others know that the cat's out of the bag???

Will they table it and try to talk their way around it at the Dec 11th hearing or will they get the recording device from Crump and get it to the defense on Dec 10th.

And will Judge Nelson continue to play stupid at the Dec 11th hearing???

29 posted on 12/02/2012 2:57:26 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Chip,

My own subjective conclusion - FDLE has never tried to obtain it!

But, there are always surprises and new facts, so time will tell.

30 posted on 12/02/2012 3:06:58 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Uncle Chip
Re: 18 years old

I noticed that the prosecutor says Dee Dee was 18 at the time of their interview, 02 April 2012.

So, it’s possible she actually was 17, and a minor, on 26 February 2012.

So, I’m going to wait to see when her birthday was before I start pounding the “fake minor” theme.

31 posted on 12/02/2012 3:13:17 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
My own subjective conclusion - FDLE has never tried to obtain it!

If the Special Prosecutor wanted it, the FDLE would have obtained it.

They didn't want it because they knew that there was something seedy about it -- and there is.

They were just hoping that Zimmerman would have accepted a plea deal before any of this stuff came out in court. They were hoping that they could slough off this interview as irrelevant.

They never expected to face a bulldog in court who would be this thorough. West has their number and they know it.

32 posted on 12/02/2012 3:23:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: zeestephen
Actually she was 18 on March 19th when she had her interview with Crump over the phone:

“Witness Eight is 18 years old and was 18 at the time of Crump’s interview of her according to her sworn statement to the prosecutor on April 2, 2012. Her unedited statement to the prosecutor was not released to the defense until September and only after repeated requests. Her age was edited out of the interview in a previous disclosure.” [Pg 1, Footnote 2]

Whether her birthday was March 18th or anytime before that is irrelevant to the fact that on March 20th Crump declared to the whole world over and over again that she was a minor. He knows what that means.

33 posted on 12/02/2012 3:37:33 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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Here’s an interesting news report from April 4, 2012:

FBI agents were in Sanford on Tuesday, continuing their interviews in a civil rights investigation of the case, which Martin family supporters say is a clear-cut case of racial profiling leading to an unjust killing. One of the people they met with Tuesday is Frank Taaffe, Zimmerman’s neighbor and friend.

On Monday, agents interviewed Martin’s girlfriend, the 16-year-old girl who, phone records show, was on the line with him shortly before the fatal confrontation, Martin family attorney Daryl Parks confirmed Tuesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/03/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

So did the FBI agents interview an 18 year old or a 16 year old girl???

Maybe they got hoodwinked too.


34 posted on 12/02/2012 9:40:16 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: zeestephen; Uncle Chip
Also, several bloggers claim that Trayvon’s parents said they had never heard of this “girlfriend” before, even though Dee Dee claimed she was dating Trayvon and they had been friends since kindergarten.

Also, there is no public evidence that prosecutors talked to Dee Dee before 02 April, even though Dee Dee claims to be a “cell phone witness” to the alleged murder.

Also it is well to keep in mind the fact that - in recent years - the giving of false statements and testimony has been tolerated in many criminal cases in which "civil rights issues" have played a role.

I'm thinking here of the many on-campus "racist graffiti" cases, and of the Crystal Magnum vs. Duke Lacrosse Team episode. There have been many others I'm sure.

If the "Dee Dee girlfriend" story falls apart, it'll be "no harm, no foul." She'll do a quick fade and will never be mentioned again.

"Cell Phone witness." Funny.

35 posted on 01/26/2013 6:33:13 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: zeestephen

‘Dee Dee’ is a prime example of magic thinking. She likely now believes her own fabricated tale. The attorney knew he could count on her to become convinced of whatever he coached her to say. He’s scum and needs to go to his father ...


36 posted on 01/26/2013 6:41:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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