Skip to comments.The Real Root of Atheists' Anti-Christmas Rage
Posted on 12/02/2012 3:18:49 AM PST by Kaslin
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Inspector Clouseau would say that they are having a rit of fealous jage.
There is a certain kind of person who finds fault with everything you say. Anybody else know one of these?
And it’s because you’re a believer in Jesus. That’s the conclusion I’ve come to in my case, anyway. To agree you’re right about ANYTHING means you COULD be right about Jesus! Not everyone who disagrees with you now and then falls into this category, but some do. I try to nip these “friendships” in the bud when I recognize them. It can take a while to see them as what they are.
The great Kingsley Amis has a line about some character in one of novels “always looking for the first chance to go at cross purposes to me” in conversation—or somethng like that. Oh boy did that sound familiar. Of course in Kingley’s experience it probably had something to with contradicting the great Kingsley Amis.
I’ve also started coming to the conclusion that political differences are not fundamentally political differences—i.e., socialism versus free markets. They are basically atheist-versus-believer differences. After all, giving up atheism would mean you’d have to change your life in a very big, deep, meaningful way.
This is why we can’t abandon the social-conservative causes. Not in politics and not in our lives. They are the crux of the matter, not a tangential issue.
The Bible covers it with this verse:
“[And this is the condemnation] that light is come into the world but men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.” ~ John 3:19
It wasn’t supposed to be this way. They’re the smartest people in the room. How dare people have faith when they ‘know’ better.
It's intense envy, which is a side effect of vanity, thinking way too highly of oneself. Vanity is a much easier trap to fall into when someone believes they are the top of the intellectual food chain, with nothing to look up to and many less "enlightened" people look down upon. Statistically Christians tend to live longer happier lives, have more successful marriages, have more children, drive bigger cars, live in bigger houses, do better in school, sports, business, and life in general. No fair! The nature of envy is to not acquire the object of their envy, but to destroy it. Thomas Aquinas noted that "inordinate self-love is the cause of every sin ... the root of pride is found to consist in man not being, in some way, subject to God and His rule."
I’ve heard this explanation before, that atheists love their sin more than God, but to hate God implies that one knows God and then rejects Him, and I don’t think that flies. We could get into some heavy theology like predestination, our will vs. God’s will, etc., but I can’t believe that atheists have ever met up with God and know Him. To do so is a life-changing experience.
The leftist is a collectivist and the Christian is essentially an individualist. Salvation comes to us retail whereas acceptance by the group produces the this-worldly salvation for the collectivist. So the key to group acceptance is submission to the group and conformity. The great paradox of Christianity, its mystery, is that submission to Christ, the picking up of the cross and following, results in liberation and empowerment. So in Christianity the individual is liberated and empowered which is threatening to the group which seeks to empower the collective at the expense of the individual.
The miracle of individual liberation and empowerment in Christianity is not only anathema to the leftist but it is invisible to him. He believes that he alone is the master of his fate even though he is the victim of the greatest deception and is in a tragic and mortal bondage.
I could not agree with you more when you say:
Ive also started coming to the conclusion that political differences are not fundamentally political differencesi.e., socialism versus free markets. They are basically atheist-versus-believer differences.
Wow! That might be it. That could explain some acquaintances of mine.
Are you kidding? F.R. is infested with them.
Go read Brad Pike’s “Atheists Need Their Own Christmas” on FReepers. It links to his blog and there you will see comments from angry atheists which will chill your blood.
His biting satire really set these people off. They are the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” crowd and revel in their own arrogance.
In fact, most of the atheists say “Stop calling me a pompous conceited jerk!!” in their replies.
My best friend is an athiest (raised as a Jew) and whenever the topic is brought up he says he doesn't love his sins more than God because he doesn't sin and shouldn't suffer for what Adam did. There's no getting through to him that he can't earn his way into heaven.
Now before you jump all over me, the guy is a nice guy - he never tries to talk me out of my belief and never makes fun of Christians. This guy truly believes that a man has a right to believe in whatever they want. I've given up arguing with him because I figure he deserves the same respect I expect from him. If he doesn't want to go share a happy eternity, that's on him.
When my wife passed away last month he was there for me with great comfort. I didn't get the impression that he believed she would just rot in the ground, he supported me and my family and even nodded his head at the appropriate times. He says he is a typical athiest and the guys who go around like crusaders are a small minority.
I've learned to live with him.
can’t find it
They do it because they believe it works and the results of the last 50 years support their belief.
When you believe in nothing you hate those with strong beliefs. Liberals and atheists have much in common.
It would be good to keep this Scripturally factual. Herod sought to slay all male children under 2 years old, after he learned of His existence after the arrival of the wise men from Padan-Aram, about 2 years after His birth.
They pray at the alter of Gov’t. And rights granted by Gov’t can be rescinded (especially the 1st & 2nd Amendments).
That is why they hate religion and especially Christians, nothing more complicated than that.
If you remove religion, you remove the Bill of Rights and replace it with what the Gov’t deems appropriate.
A pastor of mine used to say, "A man's morality will dictate his theology".
The same is true for his politics.
I agree with your friend, and I like to think that I am the same sort of atheist.
I also think that in most churches and synagogues there are a number of silent atheists, people who go along to get along but in their heart of hearts just don't believe.
This guy truly believes that a man has a right to believe in whatever they want.
As indeed he does, and we all as well.
And you are welcome to believe as you choose. I'll never insult your faith and never have.
I don't have a problem with a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, either. In Jefferson's great phrase, "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg".
But when anyone says I can't be a conservative because I am not a Christian, that ticks me off big time and I will respond, sometimes (despite my best efforts) in anger.
He is. Those types are about as representative of us as Westboro is of you. Most of us you'd never know unless you bring it up first.
You are absolutely correct. It all boils down to world-view.
It is shocking to the majority here but, yes, you can be a liberty loving atheist. Far too many atheists are statist turds, but far too many Christians are too.
I've had many, many occasions to observe that some Christian Freepers are far, far more upset by the small number of atheist conservatives who are out there than they are by the millions of Christians who voted for Obama.
I’ve seen that too. Huge swaths of Catholics and almost all black Christians are liberal. But conservative atheists bother them more (well, some of them.)
The root? Could it beee... SATAN?
Then call me goofy, too. I appreciate the Lord God coming into the world for us, to us. Thank you, God.
Because some atheists are jerks, just as some Christians are jerks, just as some Hindus...etc.
Christmas, if you really get down to the brass tacks of it, isnt about reindeer, elves,
It is to some. It isn't to others. To each their own. While I'm an atheist myself, I've always enjoyed Christmas. Granted, I only celebrate the secular aspects of it (gift-giving, watching Rankin-Bass tv specials, lights, and so on).
I certainly see atheism as far more in tune ideologically with small-government libertarianism than Catholicism can claim to be.
I’m more dubious of Catholics who claim to be conservatives than atheists.
*cough* Michael Pfleger *cough*
I do too. I mean, in a sense, Christianity is like a spiritual socialism. Instead of the rich man’s taxes paying for the poor man’s social services, it’s the spiritually rich man’s death that pays for the spiritually poor man’s sins. A really “conservative” religion would posit that you’ll burn in hell until your sins are paid for, and then when you deserve to go to heaven, you do. Pay your own way, you know? But... whatever. Humans are inconsistent creatures, by and large.
I found this book:
At the same time, the Catholic Church has plenty of history as an established religion used to a cozy relationship with the state.But in reality socialism is a self-centered religion which promotes conceit and is a direct attack on, of all things, charity. Socialism claims to be charity, but it is a strange sort of love which puffs itself up and has the effect of denigrating the efforts which it does not control.
Nice post, Nathan.
I wasn’t saying that. The Tea Party is working this out right now, trying to determine whether social conservatism should be part of their platform. That doesn’t mean everyone in the Tea Party has to be a social conservative or not, depending on what the Tea Party decides.
The Republican platform is pro-life yet we have many members of the party who are not.
no god == no absolutes == no sin
I have seen that (even here) in exchanges with some who absolutely refuse to even allow any alternative and reasonable explanation of Scriptures which refutes their misconstrue which is used to justify their angry scorn and rage against God and the Bible.
If I am not mistaken, in a Jewish court of law, there need to be two witnesses to convict one of a serious crime.
Society affirming the Incarnation is the second witness.
When I am asked by a Christian to read some particular work of apologetics, I agree to do so, provided that my Christian friend will read "Who Knows?" by Raymond Smullyan. A book which I strongly recommend to you, his concept of hell is somewhat in line with yours.
I was not aware that Michael Pfleger claimed to be a conservative.
The most dangerous, frightening, politically incorrect word in the English language. Try using that in a sentence, regardless of context, at any fashionable cocktail party.
I've always loved Doug for his boldness.
But he does claim to be a Catholic. And the Catholic church does seem to accept him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
Lots of people claim to be Catholic, with no supporting evidence, and no response from the Church.
Much to my eternal dismay.
Oh, it’s not my concept of hell. I think when we die, that’s it. I’m just saying that the Christian construct is rather uncomfortably in line with liberal thinking.
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